Temps While Encoding Video?

[glugglug]

Or F@H, or lynpack, or OCCT, or P95? All of them except OCCT stay under 80c. OCCT lags out and crashes, never gets a temp reading. To be fair, I have a custom fan curve set up.

I know from frustrating experience that F@H is actually rather difficult to get it to use multiple cores. Not sure on lynpack. Prime95 definitely uses them all, but my temps on a properly cooled system with CoolerMaster Hyper212 in a huge well ventilated Phantom 630 case are ~58C in Prime95 vs. ~73C in AIDA64.

OCCT "AVX Capable Linpack" test gets temps that vary dramatically every few seconds, (range of about 39C to 75C with AVX Capable checked for higher power usage), never seen anything like it). But with the default settings, that test crashes immediately -- in order to get it to run I had to tell it to use only 25% of memory - I think it tries to allocate too large a chunk if you have a lot of system RAM. OCCT on the main "OCCT" tab runs more consistently. And if you set it for "Small Data Set" to get a better cache hit ratio, it runs hotter.

 

[Bubbleawsome]

I know from frustrating experience that F@H is actually rather difficult to get it to use multiple cores. Not sure on lynpack. Prime95 definitely uses them all, but my temps on a properly cooled system with CoolerMaster Hyper212 in a huge well ventilated Phantom 630 case are ~58C in Prime95 vs. ~73C in AIDA64.

OCCT "AVX Capable Linpack" test gets temps that vary dramatically every few seconds, (range of about 39C to 75C with AVX Capable checked for higher power usage), never seen anything like it). But with the default settings, that test crashes immediately -- in order to get it to run I had to tell it to use only 25% of memory - I think it tries to allocate too large a chunk if you have a lot of system RAM. OCCT on the main "OCCT" tab runs more consistently. And if you set it for "Small Data Set" to get a better cache hit ratio, it runs hotter.

All of the above peg me at 100%. Also, I don't think the 870 supports AVX, but I'm not sure. It may be due to my RAM though, I have 8GB and I think it uses 6, so 2 for system it might cause crazy lag. I will test later, pretty sick right now.

 

[Virgorising]

OK wait.....U mean sick as in disgusted with yr system as it is right now, or sick re some microorganism?????

Please say.
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Edit: I would like to apologize to glugglug for, out of simple ignorance, not having understood the truth about Intel's stock cooler for these sockets (or maybe all Intel stock coolers, OMG). And thank him for taking the time to educate me (and others?) with DETAILS. Especially, the if U employ gravity to maintain contact between the top of the chip and the cooler.....then, you have a shot at not burning up. (OMG) That visual in my head did it.

At least he din recommend duct tape.:sneaky:

Again, what I learn in this place continues to blow me away. It is a GREAT gift.

I have always put Intel on a pedestal. Now, there is a warning flag and the pedestal is crumbling. How they can engineer and make such good chips and make such sleazoid coolers, I do not understand. It makes no sense at all to me.

As usual, blind loyalty is NO loyalty.

 

[Virgorising]

Late Update: I AM CURED.():biggrin:

Am in the middle of new video encoding. I first opened new temp monitoring app. Minute I started, at little over 300 fps, my clock speed rose, and my temps as well, but now, what they rose to did not bring hysteria!

Cause I learned and now have perspective! Also, re Intel makes sleazoid stock coolers, and shame on me I would ever even think Dell would use those in its Optiplexes, or that I had one in this sytem. It's all about learning.

But I want Bubbleawesome to get rid of HIS stock cooler!

Thanks sooo much to all who contributed.:thumbsup:

STAY COOL guys!

 

[Bubbleawsome]

I had a stomach bug. Could you open your case and post a pic of your cooler? It looks phenomenal, and if it's low profile I need to find one.

 

[Virgorising]

I had a stomach bug. Could you open your case and post a pic of your cooler? It looks phenomenal, and if it's low profile I need to find one.

Stomach bug! Not in the least awesome. Good you fought it off and it is gone and the bugs are dead.

Of course I could and will do that, but there are links to it on ebay n this thread and I also put up pic of it from my PDF Service Manual.

But fair warning: this is a full sized Opti case, and nothing in is is anything but full sized, nothing is low profile including PCI. You need low profile in the SFF configuration for obvious reasons.

Also, a great deal of what is in these Optis is proprietary: Dell engineers meet with major makers and contract to make components OEM to their specs. Including some of their boards, now, including their EPA PSUs. I think the cooler may well be OEM. Almost positive now.

Haven't had that many desktops, but so far, I think I've never seen a fan assembly that wasn't HOUSED. Not all in metal as is this one, but at least housed. Until I saw those lame, naked Intel ones!!!

But that you are finally considering getting what you deserved all along....makes me HAPPY.:biggrin:

 

[Bubbleawsome]

Oh, hadn't gone back in the thread. I have no idea how that even goes in the case.

EDIT: The thing uses a 5 pin fan connector. What the heck? I didn't know those existed. :O

 

[Virgorising]

Oh, hadn't gone back in the thread. I have no idea how that even goes in the case.

EDIT: The thing uses a 5 pin fan connector. What the heck? I didn't know those existed. :O

I will make the pic when I take a work break for sure! Cause U need to see in perspective!

Re the fan connector, and, in this machine, with the more expensive EPA PSU option---another reason I chose the system, but the chip came first--PSU is not 24 pins but 20. See what I made sure to share re the whole OEM phenom in the big Optis I choose??

Before I bid, I emailed the vendor asking if it was the ePA PSu or the standard one; I thought long and hard about this, cause I have upgraded PSUs in previous Optis, but this puppy is so efficient it's amazing, and I am sure I have no need to upgrade. So, what I first worried might be an impediment, is not.

After the fact, I learned right HERE in this uber classroom, that it's not the wattage, it's how good and how efficient the power unit is! And that has been confirmed first hand now.

More and more, if only re these big Optis, I trust Dell engineers. This is my third Opti MT, and never once had a problem that was Dell's fault.....I upgrade and fiddle, had to replace the mobo in my last one when I vacuumed it and it JUST did not like that. Do not say it, I know all about it; was a LEARNING EXPERIENCE.()

 

[Virgorising]

K just made lots of pics, but in a hurry. Will put them up. Including proprietary 20 pin PSU, and kinda everything. Only just now see my CMOS Batt is Mitsubishi.

Hold on....and not sure yr r case, forget your BOARD, only kkow yr chip and so yr socket and U now have stock cooler. I know little about coolers and what yr options might be, but the pundits here DO KNOW.....and, I am sure you would have many good and affordable options!!

Hold on....

K.....this evil little Nikon turns things yellow when it uses the flash, I feel like doing these over who cares about work? Will put up one or two, fair warning, these are yellow and bad, shoulda use my phone.

These suck, sorry, will not put up the rest, gotta do them ovah

 

[Virgorising]

Sorry, still terrible, best I can do right now, haste makes badness. but as U can see, what I have is not an option for you, but you have MANY and cooler pundits will arrive and list options, etc!
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Late edit to fend off any haters here who can't live without cutting edge/Haswell, post Ivy/Sandy, Brooklyn Bridge chips, watercooling, gaming rigs with GPUs with 12 fans, etc., they, who do not get we are each unique and meant to arrive at the systems exactly best for our individual needs: Jus see the board was made in 09. This system shipped new to the business which ordered it, end of March of 11, was made middle, same March. Via service tag. I knew right off, when it arrived here and I tested it, it had very little mileage on it and was well cared for.

 

[Virgorising]

Been delving, not working......pls check if U have standard board, and see if the Corsair h50 or more expensive h70 might serve?

K, I feel bad now, cause I now get decent coolers COST. Prepare for some here to be like DUMP the thing, get a new one, build a new one! That can be very, very insensitive.
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Edit: forget those Corsairs, they are water cooling units. Always learning, always learning.....if I don't need water cooling YOU don't either.
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New Edit: http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Acooler%20master%20hyper%20tx3
??????????????? Any of those compatible? I think.....tho not sure how much better any are than the stock, but bet better.

How about this one???? http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-...ster+hyper+tx3

Re this one, read the reviews! Read the temp drops one guy got after installing this one! But might be a little tricky to install.

 

[glugglug]

How about this one???? http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-...ster+hyper+tx3

Re this one, read the reviews! Read the temp drops one guy got after installing this one! But might be a little tricky to install.

Your last link is what I am using in my new system. But it is very far from being "low profile".

There is one thing I would be concerned about when shopping low profile heatsinks:

The Intel socket specs say that a heatsink that just uses the holes through the motherboard like the stock heatsink with the stupid pogo-pin mechanism, without any backplate, can support a weight of up to ~400g before damaging the motherboard becomes a concern. It is very common for modern tower heatsinks to be around double this or more, so there pretty much are no tower heatsinks copying Intel's stupid mechanism. But the low profile heatsinks are generally about the same weight as the stock heatsink, and doing some quick browsing on NewEgg, it looks like about half of the low profile models copy the broken mechanism.

Make sure whatever you get uses a backplate, or at least has real metal screws for holding the heatsink on and applying pressure instead of the stupid plastic pins.

 

[Virgorising]

Your last link is what I am using in my new system. But it is very far from being "low profile".

There is one thing I would be concerned about when shopping low profile heatsinks:

The Intel socket specs say that a heatsink that just uses the holes through the motherboard like the stock heatsink with the stupid pogo-pin mechanism, without any backplate, can support a weight of up to ~400g before damaging the motherboard becomes a concern. It is very common for modern tower heatsinks to be around double this or more, so there pretty much are no tower heatsinks copying Intel's stupid mechanism. But the low profile heatsinks are generally about the same weight as the stock heatsink, and doing some quick browsing on NewEgg, it looks like about half of the low profile models copy the broken mechanism.

Make sure whatever you get uses a backplate, or at least has real metal screws for holding the heatsink on and applying pressure instead of the stupid plastic pins.

You do get that I have no need for anything but the cooler I have and put pics up of cause Bubbleawesome asked me to, right?

It is HE who needs, AND DESERVES the new cooler.

Now, as usual, all you just posted is hugely important! Cause he said he needed low profile. But I have no idea re the reality of his case or anything in it!

So, still unclear re what his real options are for aftermarket, what he may be limited to, etc. Hope we find out soon!!!!

Maybe HE can put some visuals up. But, I guess those more experienced than I might not need them. I like visuals.()

PS: I am now wondering what my heatsink/fan assembly weighs. Looks like a lot to me, but who knows? I will find out when I replace the original thermal paste with MY thermal paste.

Yes, that cooler I found, the one U jus said U have (tho now, not sure it it's right for him) has mostly awesome reviews!!!!
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PPS: notice my cooling unit is on its side? Therefore, distributing its weight, beyond the heatsink per se more kindly on the board! Seriously, I just luv Dell engineers.()

 

[Virgorising]

I have zero experience with microATX which is wut he has....so, ps factor that in.

http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?p=2936699#post2936699

I hope someone here HAS experience with decent aftermarket coolers for miniATX.
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Edit; Know wut? I think he should make a new thread for this! Cause the thread morphed organically, and if he made new thread more helpers would see it and maybe weigh in!

 

[Bubbleawsome]

Most of those fit, but I can not remove my mobo to fit a backplate without a ton of work. I have looked this up before and haven't found much so I'm ok with my stock HSF. It fits my needs for now, but if I ever need an upgrade I plan to get an h100i and rig it outside my case so I can use it on a later build. After over 5 hours of gaming the hottest core reached 66c and at fairly quiet 70% fan speed.

 

[Virgorising]

Most of those fit, but I can not remove my mobo to fit a backplate without a ton of work. I have looked this up before and haven't found much so I'm ok with my stock HSF. It fits my needs for now, but if I ever need an upgrade I plan to get an h100i and rig it outside my case so I can use it on a later build. After over 5 hours of gaming the hottest core reached 66c and at fairly quiet 70% fan speed.

SIGH.:\

But, after 5 hours of gaming, that's not bad!
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Edit! Ok wait! thinking outside the box, no pun intended, what would be the downside of just using a little wood platform between the bottom of the case and the bottom of the mobo under the cooler? Nobody attack please, as per when I put up images of when I removed the gratuitous leads on my Antec upgrade in my previous desktop, and everyone went batdoody. Would something preclude doing that? I mean, it would not conduct electricity, it won't make static.....why not do that? Or a little platform of some other, not metal, lighter material that don melt or change in the presence of heat?

 

[Bubbleawsome]

It probably would not make good contact with the CPUs IHS because of little pressure.

 

[Virgorising]

It probably would not make good contact with the CPUs IHS because of little pressure.

No, what I was envisioning was simply a stabilizing/weight distributing support UNDER that section of the mobo.....why would it need to make contact with anything? It should only need to be the right thickness is all, right?

How about something like what workout mats are made of? That very dense foam? You can just put under there which would get a little compressed when you screw down the mobo? I can think of many things! Mostly not even edible.:sneaky)
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OK, I am now seeing (in my head) this why not thingy with holes in it so it don trap heat. Something like a stable grid support with openings, a WEB if U will. Why not? I like it!

PS, After all, the only above board contact that matters in this is the the top of the chip with the bottom of the heatsink, right? What I see in my head is under the board per se and, it could even be round and of small diameter! Kind of like a strategically placed piling to support a beach house built near the ocean!:sneaky: I mean it.

 

[Virgorising]

I only now, after having seen it a lot with my eyes, see in one of the pics, the metal housing on my cooler has a ginormous "DELL" embossed on it.

Talk about OEM, boy.

But they did a fine job for sure!

 

[glugglug]

No, what I was envisioning was simply a stabilizing/weight distributing support UNDER that section of the mobo.....why would it need to make contact with anything?

This is basically why most aftermarket tower heatsinks have backplates now. The backplate distributes the pressure on the motherboard behind the entire socket area instead of just around the 4 holes. Also, they generally have spring-loaded screws that fasten into nuts on the other side of the backplate to be pushing the heatsink down with adequate pressure. Much thinner and lighter than what you are describing but gets the job done.

Most new cases now have cutouts behind the CPU area of the motherboard to be able to access the backplate if you are changing heatsinks. My old Bloomfield system is in a 4 or 5 year old case that lacks this feature so changing the heatsink with anything but the awful pogo pin design is a big pain involving removing the motherboard like Bubbleawsome describes. I'm kind of surprised it took as many years as it did between Intel changing retention mechanisms and this becoming sort of a standard case feature.

Intel has been using this system since the Core2 Duo. Before that there was a super tight clip that attached to some tabs sticking out of the socket holding the heatsink in place. Not so tight it felt like you were gonna break the board like AMD systems, but still took quite a bit of force. I like that old design a lot better.

I also think it's interesting that the stock heatsinks using the pogo pins are only bundled with desktop chips. For server-marketed Xeons, even those using the same LGA1366 socket form factor as the Bloomfield, the stock heatsink uses a backplate, and is a bit larger.

 

[Virgorising]

Re the above, wow, you know so much! Pls get, my experience is limited and not long.

So far, I have only replaced 3 mobos, one of mine, one in a friends' desktop and one in a lappy---amazed I got the latter done, but I did. I never had to replace or change any cooler.

I have no way of knowing now the reality of the board in this system or any of the stuff you talk about. I only will when I decide to replace the original thermal paste with better.

To me, being inventive rocks and is VERY fun. Conjure viable new things in yr head and just do them or make them.

Thanks for the FASCINATING offering above!!!

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EDIT! OK, see, the thingy I see in my head, now in many, varied forms and materials, is NOT FASTENED TO THE MOTHERBOARD. It sits between the mobo and the bottom of the case just under the cooler! It would be removable; it would not be attached to Anything. It would stay in place simply by dint of the weight of the cooler on the mobo, but mainly, by the mobo being bolted down normally to the case! I see no PLATE.

This would be a small thingy which would be liberated and liftable when U remove the mobo!!! You would just feel where to set it; you could outline where you place it on the bottom inside of the case after determining that, in felt tip marker, so you would not have to guess again in the future, should U need to remove things.
I now think I did not make it clear earlier.