Temash peformance tablet SoC

[Abwx]

Not at all but i guess that looking at the modest success of Samsungs Chrome books iteration using a 2C ARM chip is indicative of the thing ability to compete with X86 CPUs and that s not due to a lacking ecosystem but rather to limited ability of the said plaateform.

 

[Vesku]

Seems kind of silly to compare A15 to x86 that is being phased out, bobcat and in-order Atom. A15 is just now starting to populate retail and will best be compared with the low power x86 products that show up this year.

IMO, A15 is a pretty impressive bump up from the previous generation and definitely holds it's own compared to the x86 low power options that have been available the last couple of years. Not even AMD is standing still, though, and there is still a marketshare advantage for x86 in terms of software development.

 

[Enigmoid]

Seems kind of silly to compare A15 to x86 that is being phased out, bobcat and in-order Atom. A15 is just now starting to populate retail and will best be compared with the low power x86 products that show up this year.

IMO, A15 is a pretty impressive bump up from the previous generation and definitely holds it's own compared to the x86 low power options that have been available the last couple of years. Not even AMD is standing still, though, and there is still a marketshare advantage for x86 in terms of software development.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6536/arm-vs-x86-the-real-showdown/8
Look at this slide and the next 4 or 5.

yes, excluding sunspider (probably because of different browsers and optimization) it can be seen the strictly cpu wise, A15 is less efficient than atom or krait, requiring more energy to complete a given task. Yes its significantly more powerful but it is a 4 watt Soc vs a 1.5 watt Soc. The gpu in the exynos 5250 is much more efficient but the cpu is not.

Look at kraken, yes it runs through it twice as fast, but it requires more energy to complete the task for the cpu.

 

[Vesku]

A bit early to really draw conclusions, there may be some more Perf/W focused implementations of A15. ARM's license driven nature means more variety in implementation. But if we're talking actual notebooks rather than tablets and mobile the increase in performance was more needed than power efficiency (ARM is coming from the bottom up).

 

[Nemesis 1]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6536/arm-vs-x86-the-real-showdown/8
Look at this slide and the next 4 or 5.

yes, excluding sunspider (probably because of different browsers and optimization) it can be seen the strictly cpu wise, A15 is less efficient than atom or krait, requiring more energy to complete a given task. Yes its significantly more powerful but it is a 4 watt Soc vs a 1.5 watt Soc. The gpu in the exynos 5250 is much more efficient but the cpu is not.

Look at kraken, yes it runs through it twice as fast, but it requires more energy to complete the task for the cpu.

Ananda says by traditional methods of testing that its real TDP is 8 watts but it strives to stay under 4. If Haswell has a TDP of 7 watts in the 2 core SOC/SOIX model I assume thats total die including graphics . That would put Haswell core below 3 watts each .Depending on what graphics use

 

[blackened23]

After bulldozer, i'll believe it when I see it. I want AMD to do well, I want them to survive but I just don't see myself buying parts out of pity. They have make a viable, kick-ass part. GPU wise they've been holding their own (IMO) but CPUs? I was really disappointed with BD, as was everyone I believe. I think that perception carries over to a lot of their other parts.

 

[MightyMalus]

The purpose of Temash is Tablets, and for that reason alone. I expect it to perform well.

 

[Red Hawk]

Every class has to have a clown, eh piesquared? Anyways, Temash looks like it could be good, and I hope it is, but I won't be surprised if it turns out to be an even bigger dud than Intel's SoC attempts up to this point. I do expect AMD to bring great graphics performance (for a tablet GPU, at least). It would be rather amusing if AMD and Nvidia pull out a joint lead in graphics performance between Temash and Tegra 4, just like they share the market in desktop/laptop PC graphics.

 

[Nemesis 1]

The purpose of Temash is Tablets, and for that reason alone. I expect it to perform well.

From what I have seen it looks good . I pretty sure it will beat intel latest chip the Z2580 W which should have hd4000 graphics in it .Later this year intel will release Silvermont 4 core no ht chip on the 22nm . I don't recall if intel said we will see product around the holidays or if they said they will be shipping . I am pretty sure they said we will see product which means its shipping now. So it looks like we shall see lots of products come fall.

 

[pablo87]

I don't think AMD is going to take the tablet market by storm anytime soon but it seems they are a lot closer than Intel to establishing a beachhead.

For starters, they've integrated the FCH which puts them on par with ARM (afa non cellular is concerned; tablet cellular doesn't look like the way to go atm the way ex tmobile are segmenting and Google and cable guys start offering free wifi) and ahead of Intel.

For seconders, this thing has Graphics Core Next, gaming on tablets here we come!!! Its important to have an advantage/differentiation vs incumbents, clearly GCN is.

Thirdly, AMD doesn't sell processors over $50 which means price points could be very competitive esp. with their choice of partner (Vizio/Quanta) though...

Last and least, its x86 which should get it a few orders.

Wasn't a fan of Hondo though I certainly respect the team's execution. Seems now that it was only part and parcel of Temash development. Smart move AMD (that was hard).

 

[Hmoobphajej]

Engadget Link

That video in the article really entices my interest in the chip when it comes to tablet. It's a 8 watt chip and manages 1080P game play. I don't know at what resolution but from the video, it doesn't look like it would disappoint people who like mobility. I think the emphasis of the chip is the ability to have some better mobile gaming capabilities and decent battery life on a tablet at the same time. Although Dirt 3 Showdown is not the end all be all benchmark for games though. But for now it's a good glimpse into some of the capabilities of Temash.

What I really want to see is a comparision of performance numbers for the GPU between ARM SoCs and AMD's GNC. I think it would make a interesting discussion.

John Taylor from this interview, talked about AMD focusing more on the GPU portion of their chips because, from what I understood, main stream consumers don't require the big core powers in a small chip. It probably just means that the CPU core might have a lack luster performance compared to Intel's SoC, Bay Trail or even some of the newer ARM SoC. But if their GPU can perform on par or better it might be able to drive some consumers, be it ADM fans or not, in their direction when it comes to mobile gaming on tablets.

P.S. That though is one ugly reference design for a tablet. Although it is a reference design.

 

[pablo87]

After bulldozer, i'll believe it when I see it. I want AMD to do well, I want them to survive but I just don't see myself buying parts out of pity. They have make a viable, kick-ass part. GPU wise they've been holding their own (IMO) but CPUs? I was really disappointed with BD, as was everyone I believe. I think that perception carries over to a lot of their other parts.

Unlike bd, and more akin to ATI, so far AMD has always exceeded expectations with Brazos / Kabini / Hondo / Temash.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Every class has to have a clown, eh piesquared? Anyways, Temash looks like it could be good, and I hope it is, but I won't be surprised if it turns out to be an even bigger dud than Intel's SoC attempts up to this point. I do expect AMD to bring great graphics performance (for a tablet GPU, at least). It would be rather amusing if AMD and Nvidia pull out a joint lead in graphics performance between Temash and Tegra 4, just like they share the market in desktop/laptop PC graphics.

Your being pretty hard on medfield considering it was creaming everthing that was out at the time of its release. 4g is about the only reason not for sale in usa . The lenovo K900 was shown and it on the new Z2580 dual core with HT and it looks Ok I personnally dont like its looks but that me,

 

[Nemesis 1]

Engadget Link

That video in the article really entices my interest in the chip when it comes to tablet. It's a 8 watt chip and manages 1080P game play. I don't know at what resolution but from the video, it doesn't look like it would disappoint people who like mobility. I think the emphasis of the chip is the ability to have some better mobile gaming capabilities and decent battery life on a tablet at the same time. Although Dirt 3 Showdown is not the end all be all benchmark for games though. But for now it's a good glimpse into some of the capabilities of Temash.



Dirt 3 I have to agree , why else would both intel and AMD use that demo to showcase products I will bet both were running over 60 fps

 

[Enigmoid]

From what I have seen it looks good . I pretty sure it will beat intel latest chip the Z2580 W which should have hd4000 graphics in it .Later this year intel will release Silvermont 4 core no ht chip on the 22nm . I don't recall if intel said we will see product around the holidays or if they said they will be shipping . I am pretty sure they said we will see product which means its shipping now. So it looks like we shall see lots of products come fall.

It will definitely beat the Z2580W (which has a power SGX 544 MP2 at 533 mhz). According to anandtech this will be significantly better than the A5 chip. http://www.anandtech.com/show/5592/intel-atom-z2580-z2000.

A 5-8 watt chip compared to a 2 watt smartphone chip is no contest.

 

[Nemesis 1]

I don't think AMD is going to take the tablet market by storm anytime soon but it seems they are a lot closer than Intel to establishing a beachhead.

For starters, they've integrated the FCH which puts them on par with ARM (afa non cellular is concerned; tablet cellular doesn't look like the way to go atm the way ex tmobile are segmenting and Google and cable guys start offering free wifi) and ahead of Intel.

For seconders, this thing has Graphics Core Next, gaming on tablets here we come!!! Its important to have an advantage/differentiation vs incumbents, clearly GCN is.

Thirdly, AMD doesn't sell processors over $50 which means price points could be very competitive esp. with their choice of partner (Vizio/Quanta) though...

Last and least, its x86 which should get it a few orders.

Wasn't a fan of Hondo though I certainly respect the team's execution. Seems now that it was only part and parcel of Temash development. Smart move AMD (that was hard).

Its funny The road intel took They took Haswell from the top down to tablets .

With the atom core they worked out the things they need to which ends with the Z2580s and Silvermont all this to get into phones with tablets as an after thought NO way has AMD positioned itself better in this space Intel already has 7 phones after oems see how quickly intel can come with new models intels is now on their short list. Temash looks good . But I am betting intels Silvermont cpu cores kick it around as for graphics in will be generation 7 intel . I pretty sure with differant power levels . If intel said Products shipping by holidays with silvermont . They will both be arriving around the same time , The fact Temash is good might put ants in intels pants as always its wait and see . As for your pricing of AMD Temash . Haswell will sell just above it on tablets the best of the best . Silvermont will sell below and I do believe intels going for some payback here and will undercut Temash by alot Intel silvermont dies cann't cost more than 6 bucks in this space intels cost . I would like to see silvermont @ $30 Haswell at $60-70 . Were every temash sets intel needs to sqeeze and sqeeze and sqeeze some more there is no intel monopoloy any more ARM sells more cpus than anyone they are the monopoly for the time being

 

[Nemesis 1]

It will definitely beat the Z2580W (which has a power SGX 544 MP2 at 533 mhz). According to anandtech this will be significantly better than the A5 chip. http://www.anandtech.com/show/5592/intel-atom-z2580-z2000.

A 5-8 watt chip compared to a 2 watt smartphone chip is no contest.

You need more research . Silvermont server have their own die up to 8 cores silvermont scales from <3 watts to 12 watts . So clearly we are looking at differant IGPU for tablets and phones and what ever other market can use these . Intel has already shown a willingness to use differant Igpus with Phones and tablets As witnessed by the z2580L and The Z2580wAs a point of fact Intels is <3 watt on 22nm 3d graphics where intel gets that 36 % better performance than planar . Temash is just below 5 watts . so if you want to believe because that AMDs <5 watt is better than intels <3 watt . That fine believe it . But Haswell at 7 watts should be telling you a thing or to . But what the hay.

 

[piesquared]

AMD will be 6 months ahead of intel when they release Temash in the first half of 2013.

3.9W dual core-max TDP
1W SDP

8W quad core-max TDP
1W SDP

Intel won't be releasing a competitive SoC until late 2013/early 2014.

 

[AtenRa]

3.9W dual core-max TDP
1W SDP

I believe the 3.9W will be a quad core at 1-1.2GHz.

 

[Exophase]

Great, now other people are using "SDP" arbitrarily to make things up for other processors.

I hear this one processor is really good, it has a 0.05W SDP where SDP is deep sleep scenario power

 

[piesquared]

I believe the 3.9W will be a quad core at 1-1.2GHz.

Yeah that's possible too. Still max TDP with 1W SDP.

Great, now other people are using "SDP" arbitrarily to make things up for other processors.

I hear this one processor is really good, it has a 0.05W SDP where SDP is deep sleep scenario power

lol well if Temash uses 1W under scenarios using fixed function hardware, calling it a 3.9W processor wouldn't be accurate.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Great, now other people are using "SDP" arbitrarily to make things up for other processors.

I hear this one processor is really good, it has a 0.05W SDP where SDP is deep sleep scenario power

I think its just all his posts are made up of random stuff..

 

[Nemesis 1]

AMD will be 6 months ahead of intel when they release Temash in the first half of 2013.

3.9W dual core-max TDP
1W SDP

8W quad core-max TDP
1W SDP

Intel won't be releasing a competitive SoC until late 2013/early 2014.

Intel said I believe that product will be shiping to the consumer around the holidays and will likely move that even further ahead . Temash won't be out for 4 5 6 months after it ships , AMDs has no magic pixie dust it takes alot of time from shipping product to oem to shipping to consummers . Haven't we been threw this once?I have excuse for my memory behavior whats your problem .

 

[Exophase]

These days there are plenty of examples of tablets being shipped almost immediately after the SoC it uses is announced. Time to market has been going down and when a company decides to announce a product is arbitrary anyway.

 

[piesquared]

I think its just all his posts are made up of random stuff..

Good point. If it takes a chicken and a half a day and a half to lay an egg and a half, how many days does it take an ant with a wooden leg to kick the seeds out of a dill pickle?

Maybe processors should carry more than just a TDP label for manufacturers. After all, the TDP is marketed to consumers and is quite misleading. For instance, Temash with a 3.9W max TDP but under rare circumstances would it hit that TDP. For most scenarios it would be a 1W SDP.

Something like 3.9W/1W/.05W is far more meaningful. And accurate.