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Staples

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TBH, I don't know if much will get done. The dems should had taken the senate. Even if Biden gets in, the Republicans will veto every Biden bill.
Executive order is the only way to get anything through. Makes the the president the only power.

I love how Obama was the dictator and chief when he used executive orders but when Trump uses it, he is a hero fighting back against Liberal oppression. lol
 
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mect

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One thing I hope he does is focus on rebuilding rural economies. I read a report that claims that the rural/urban political divide right now is worse than the North/South political divide prior to the civil war. If rural voters continue to see Dems as their enemies, they'll continue to fight them at every turn. The environmental protections put in place by Dems have been important for preserving our forests and rivers, but they've also become the scapegoat for the impacts of globalization and automation. If Biden successfully brings money back into these rural counties that are dying, it could go a long way towards healing the country.
 
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IronWing

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One thing I hope he does is focus on rebuilding rural economies. I read a report that claims that the rural/urban political divide right now is worse than the North/South political divide prior to the civil war. If rural voters continue to see Dems as their enemies, they'll continue to fight them at every turn. The environmental protections put in place by Dems have been important for preserving our forests and rivers, but they've also become the scapegoat for the impacts of globalization and automation. If Biden successfully brings money back into these rural counties that are dying, it could go a long way towards healing the country.
We already pour tax dollars into rural communities and they hate us for it.
 

ch33zw1z

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Executive order is the only way to get anything through. Makes the the president the only power.

I love how Obama was the dictator and chief when he used executive orders but when Trump uses it, he is a hero fighting back against Liberal oppression. lol

Not only that, trump went nuts with XO's WHILE R's controlled the House and Senate. The petty vengeance is strong on the trump train.
 

HomerJS

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Election day a national holiday
Voting infrastructure aligned with census data and budget accordingly. Postal system should be provided funding to insure that it is fully up to task to support elections.
Do not fear paper ballots.
Do not fear proven solutions (our old mechanical machines never failed and they lasted decades)
Instead of deadlines, focus on getting votes counted.


Cutting myself off....
This might turn into a long rambling post....
I'll add mandatory paper backups for all votes
 
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pauldun170

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One thing I hope he does is focus on rebuilding rural economies. I read a report that claims that the rural/urban political divide right now is worse than the North/South political divide prior to the civil war. If rural voters continue to see Dems as their enemies, they'll continue to fight them at every turn. The environmental protections put in place by Dems have been important for preserving our forests and rivers, but they've also become the scapegoat for the impacts of globalization and automation. If Biden successfully brings money back into these rural counties that are dying, it could go a long way towards healing the country.


Well, in the words of a certain someone
"But he can't want them to be successful more than they want to be successful," he added.
 

zzyzxroad

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One thing I hope he does is focus on rebuilding rural economies. I read a report that claims that the rural/urban political divide right now is worse than the North/South political divide prior to the civil war. If rural voters continue to see Dems as their enemies, they'll continue to fight them at every turn. The environmental protections put in place by Dems have been important for preserving our forests and rivers, but they've also become the scapegoat for the impacts of globalization and automation. If Biden successfully brings money back into these rural counties that are dying, it could go a long way towards healing the country.
How do you imagine you rebuild those jobs. What sort of jobs do you imagine we can bring back to those areas?
 

HomerJS

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How do you imagine you rebuild those jobs. What sort of jobs do you imagine we can bring back to those areas?
Know how states hate any aspects of the green new deal. In states that depend economically of coal production, how about federal programs to help building clean energy plants. Example solar panel production jobs pay well and it can be sold as a transition away from fossil fuels.
 

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I'm still firmly convinced we need to shift how we tally electoral votes to be more of a rural/urban thing. A state can award a mixed electoral vote to each candidate instead of winner take all. It changes up how we campaign and stop putting so much emphasis on swing states. You do not get disenfranchised voters in states that have a huge city that is very blue (Atlanta/Chicago) while the rest of the state is very red. Miami could contribute votes that are different from the Pan handle. Ect. We can end some of the division by acknowledging it exists and give each side a chance to voice their vote and actually have it matter.

Winner take all just puts far too much pressure and anxiety on everyone in the process.
 

mect

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We already pour tax dollars into rural communities and they hate us for it.
They don't hate us for it, they just don't acknowledge it. They hate urban areas because they think it is the urban democrats shutting down all their jobs. I listened to a really good podcast recently called Timber Wars put out by OPB. It pointed out that 50 years ago, someone in rural areas of Oregon could get a logging job right out of high school that would pay the rough equivalent of $50k per year starting off (basing this off memory, might be off some, but a significant, family wage pay check). These rural communities blame the loss of these types of jobs on environmentalists from the big cities. Its not completely accurate, but that is who the logging companies blame so they can detract from the influence of automation and globalization. It also does have some truth to it. Yes, we need to protect the environment, but we also need to recognize this comes at a cost, and most of that cost is paid by rural workers. As a nation, we also have promoted shipping these jobs overseas to countries with less stringent environmental regulations.
 

zzyzxroad

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Know how states hate any aspects of the green new deal. In states that depend economically of coal production, how about federal programs to help building clean energy plants. Example solar panel production jobs pay well and it can be sold as a transition away from fossil fuels.
Plus coal is still a very small number and impacted by automation. I'm just wondering which specific sectors could we bring back. For instance, agriculture has consolidated into by large corporations. Those cooperation have leveraged technology automate much of the process. Those jobs are not coming back ever.
 

mect

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How do you imagine you rebuild those jobs. What sort of jobs do you imagine we can bring back to those areas?
I think we need to heavily invest on communication infrastructure into these areas. As we've learned in the pandemic, there are a lot of jobs people can do remotely. If these areas had faster, more reliable internet, it would open up these opportunities. In the West, a lot of these communities are trying to make the shift over to recreation based economies. We can continue to invest in these areas. We can also invest a lot of money in these areas for forest management. And the big one, we need to invest heavily in general infrastructure. These are just some ideas, but honestly, I really don't know. If there were an easy solution, it would have probably been done already.

One thing is certain. We need to move away from the idea that blue collar workers are all going to go become computer engineers. We need to move beyond the fallacy that we are just going to retrain these people into tech jobs. We need to accept the data that these programs fail every time. This is one of the reasons I think we need to do serious investment into infrastructure. A logger isn't going to go start writing computer programs. He might go work road construction.

Honestly, I think the biggest thing that can be done to help rural economies is also what needs to be done to help all of the middle and lower class. We need to reign in the power of corporations. We need to make corporations and the uber wealthy start paying their fair share in taxes. We need to fund all schools at comparable levels rather than by individual districts. We need to rebuild and update infrastructure. We need significant government spending on projects that actually improve the lives of Americans instead of tax cuts to the super wealthy.
 

BurnItDwn

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Biden likely wont fix much, but, he likely will do less harm than trump did.

Did you vote for the guy who assassinates people and tries to escalate tensions internationally, who haphazardly mishandles an epidemic outbreak where over 200K americans are dead (soon, likely 300K), who locks kids up in cages and loses track of them, who tries to suppress voting rights for millions, who tries to steal elections by stopping counting of votes for his competitor, who never tells the truth, and never shuts the fuck up and never does anything for "the greater good."


Or, did you vote for the old dementia guy who has made lots of bad decisions, but, at least he has admitted to a few of them? Biden at least seems capable of paying lip service to the idea of "regret" even if he too is a megalomaniacal sociopath.
 
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mect

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Know how states hate any aspects of the green new deal. In states that depend economically of coal production, how about federal programs to help building clean energy plants. Example solar panel production jobs pay well and it can be sold as a transition away from fossil fuels.
The only problem with this from a rural perspective is the majority of these jobs aren't actually for people living in rural counties. This is one reason why people in rural areas hate alternative energy. They were promised these good jobs, but what actually happens is you have a crew come in, put up the wind mills or solar panels, and then move on to the next project. Very few local jobs are actually produced in the process.

I agree its a good thing to do, but it isn't going to provide much in the way of jobs for rural counties.
 

compcons

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Although it is not straight up trolling, I have to ask why you would engage with someone who starts these topics. This is like your neighbor asking why your lawn is getting a bit long and the weeds are out of getting out of control while their house is burning down. The republicans are worthless and have no useful policies at all. They passed one real piece of legislation which was basically borrowing a bunch of money to give to corporations and rich people so they could put more money in the bank. The other stuff was all EOs to make it easier for banks to do sketchy shit and for corporations to pollute the planet.

Perhaps once the OP realizes that his chosen party isn't in it for anyone other than themselves, he will start asking different questions.
 
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I want one thing in particular. Lowering the potential age for Medicare to 60. It will cost more and I am fine with that. It was part of the platform, and I want to hold them to it.
People all over the world look forward to retiring earlier than 65.
I would agree with that.
 
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With a GOP senate nothing law wise is really happening. Best we can hope for is cancelling shitty EO's by Trump, getting an AG that respects our laws and citizens, rebuild some global trust and hopefully wake up most mornings not worrying about what country we've provoked over twitter.
What about the legalization of weed? Can they get that done?
 

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What about the legalization of weed? Can they get that done?

House probably has the votes, would have to pass in the Senate. Have you talked to your senators from TX to see if they are in on getting weed rescheduled?
 
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House probably has the votes, would have to pass in the Senate. Have you talked to your senators from TX to see if they are in on getting weed rescheduled?
F rescheduling. I want full on medical and recreational use. I want to try gummies!

No I haven't contacted the Texas senators. It is Texas after all. We are completely backwards on the whole marijuana deal.
 

Moonbeam

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It seems more likely than not that Biden is going to be the president. I'm just curious what policies do you want to see put in place or what changes do you see as a positive that are going to take place?
I am a nobody. I don't know things like the things that you know. One of the things that I don't know anymore is what curious means. From a young age and for reasons I can't explain, I would have used that term curious about me and the result was tragic in the extreme. I got curious about how to prove all the things I knew were real. Oh boy, was that ever a mistake. Fool that I was, I took the red pill and got flushed down the drain. I couldn't prove a damn thing. I had been living in a dream. Everything that I thought was true was only what I wanted to believe. So I don't believe when I hear people say they are curious that their curiosity is anything more than an attempt to believe they know something they only want to believe.

What I would like to see from a Biden Presidency then, is a system where there is less fear, where you won't be so afraid to be flushed like I was, a world filled with less irrational emotional need. I hope we can maybe move a millimeter or so to a hidden world I once saw where people may know nothing but feel everything as love. Don't be afraid. Everything you fear has already happened.