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Rescheduling it is the right way to go about it. Codify it in law and keep the states from having to skirt around so many other legal loopholes.
 

zzyzxroad

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I think we need to heavily invest on communication infrastructure into these areas. As we've learned in the pandemic, there are a lot of jobs people can do remotely. If these areas had faster, more reliable internet, it would open up these opportunities. In the West, a lot of these communities are trying to make the shift over to recreation based economies. We can continue to invest in these areas. We can also invest a lot of money in these areas for forest management. And the big one, we need to invest heavily in general infrastructure. These are just some ideas, but honestly, I really don't know. If there were an easy solution, it would have probably been done already.

One thing is certain. We need to move away from the idea that blue collar workers are all going to go become computer engineers. We need to move beyond the fallacy that we are just going to retrain these people into tech jobs. We need to accept the data that these programs fail every time. This is one of the reasons I think we need to do serious investment into infrastructure. A logger isn't going to go start writing computer programs. He might go work road construction.

Honestly, I think the biggest thing that can be done to help rural economies is also what needs to be done to help all of the middle and lower class. We need to reign in the power of corporations. We need to make corporations and the uber wealthy start paying their fair share in taxes. We need to fund all schools at comparable levels rather than by individual districts. We need to rebuild and update infrastructure. We need significant government spending on projects that actually improve the lives of Americans instead of tax cuts to the super wealthy.
There isn't an easy solution and we have been moving in the opposite direction for a long time. Over the past 40 years we convinced the middle class that 401Ks were a great idea which flooded money to corporation spurring consolidation . We also hand the largest of corporations tax incentives to allow them to pay little to nothing. The rural folks overwhelmingly supported a guy who handed those corporations money for stock buybacks.

I'd say almost all voters support laws to get money out of politics but I don't see that ever happening. Until it does no real change will occur.
 
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hal2kilo

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We are waiting for the rest of the country to catch up and fulfill it's promise.
 

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My wish list though none will occur with McConnel: (not in any particular order)
Drug prices lowered.
Fix the asylum system.
Rebuild the state department.
Raise taxes on the Uber wealthy and redistribute towards the poor and towards infrastructure.
Lower military spending and size.
Pay teachers and schools.
Figure out the housing crisis in cities.
Figure out how to increase the number of mental health providers in every state. Every state just plain sucks.
Figure out how to get affordable health care for all
Admit DC and Puerto Rico the union.
Election day is a national holiday
Laws that codify what you can and cannot do in terms of voting rights.
 

kage69

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I'm looking for some positives here tbh. I'm a little salty about it all but you guys set off a false Russian interference probe after the last election so get off the high horse.

No, you're not. If that were the case you wouldn't be spewing debunked trumptard horseshit. It's ironic you seem to hold yourself above facts, yet claim others are on a high horse.

If you were honest you'd be able to man up and accept that Russian interference happened on a huge scale, involved crimes not just influence, and isn't really up for debate. It would make your appeal for info look like it was at least made in good faith, but idk, your post history is painful to look at. Trump is Putin's useful idiot, just deal with it man.

Want to reduce your salinity? Stop subjecting your brain to Fox and talk radio. It's an easy first step.
 
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sdifox

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It seems more likely than not that Biden is going to be the president. I'm just curious what policies do you want to see put in place or what changes do you see as a positive that are going to take place?

Proper Covid response
Universal Healthcare
Rollback Trump cuts to the rich. Add more taxes on the 1%
NY can handle Trump.
Scrap EC if Senate is flipped.
 

ch33zw1z

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Maybe read the website. I know, I know, crazy as it sounds....cuz it's not official policy spammed on twitter, but reading is important.
 

1prophet

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How do you imagine you rebuild those jobs. What sort of jobs do you imagine we can bring back to those areas?
High speed internet, good cellular coverage, reliable electric grid even in the remotest of rural areas.

“Without a proper broadband connection, rural communities can’t start or run a modern business, access telemedicine, take an online class, digitally transform their farm, or research a school project online,” Microsoft President Brad Smith says. “As a nation, we can’t afford to turn our backs on these communities as we head into the future.”

 

hal2kilo

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High speed internet, good cellular coverage, reliable electric grid even in the remotest of rural areas.

“Without a proper broadband connection, rural communities can’t start or run a modern business, access telemedicine, take an online class, digitally transform their farm, or research a school project online,” Microsoft President Brad Smith says. “As a nation, we can’t afford to turn our backs on these communities as we head into the future.”

Who turned who's back on who?
 
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zzyzxroad

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High speed internet, good cellular coverage, reliable electric grid even in the remotest of rural areas.

“Without a proper broadband connection, rural communities can’t start or run a modern business, access telemedicine, take an online class, digitally transform their farm, or research a school project online,” Microsoft President Brad Smith says. “As a nation, we can’t afford to turn our backs on these communities as we head into the future.”

You seem out of touch with reality. You think farms aren't already run by big corporations that have been using cuttings edge tech to shed works for decades? What exact jobs are going to flourish in rural areas?
 

BlueWeasel

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F rescheduling. I want full on medical and recreational use. I want to try gummies!
No I haven't contacted the Texas senators. It is Texas after all. We are completely backwards on the whole marijuana deal.

Medical marijuana just passed in Mississippi by like a 70%/30% margin. Surely TX can't be far behind if it passes in this backward thinking GOP hellhole.
 
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You seem out of touch with regality. You think farms aren't already run by big corporations that have been using cuttings edge tech to shed works for decades? What exact jobs are going to flourish in rural areas?

That's not a good argument. The argument is that you can't bring any jobs there without infrastructure to support it. That's one unique silver lining to Covid. It's made telework far more viable than ever. Many high paying jobs were localized to urban centers and people drove to work. Now many aren't and many of them won't again. Why stay in an expensive urban center if you don't have to? Well one reason is because the infrastructure to support that type of employment isn't as prevalent in rural areas. All the cheap housing in the world won't bring high paying jobs if you don't have a way to do that job.

It's not just farms. It's all the small rural communities and associated small businesses there.
 
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hal2kilo

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Medical marijuana just passed in Mississippi by like a 70%/30% margin. Surely TX can't be far behind if it passes in this backward thinking hellhole.
Just take over the government farms. That's where the governments official weed for "research" is grown.
 
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zzyzxroad

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That's not a good argument. The argument is that you can't bring any jobs there without infrastructure to support it. That's one unique silver lining to Covid. It's made telework far more viable than ever. Many high paying jobs were localized to urban centers and people drove to work. Now many aren't and many of them won't again. Why stay in an expensive urban center if you don't have to? Well one reason is because the infrastructure to support that type of employment isn't as prevalent in rural areas. All the cheap housing in the world won't bring high paying jobs if you don't have a way to do that job.

It's not just farms. It's all the small rural communities and associated small businesses there.

I work with and for the large tech giants and see the analytics for this weekly. The expectation is for a hybrid environment to exist post Covid. People will work more form home but offices are not expected to go away. Personal collaboration is better and more productive. Don't forget transportation of good. If I build a factory out in the middle of nowhere and somehow import labor that will fix the job issue. now who is going to build an maintain the roads so my good can get to market? Population centers are not going away.
 
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And that's the thing...these hardcore Republican states passing legal weed. But R senators can't bring it to a vote. Would you actually like some representation?
 
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And that's the thing...these hardcore Republican states passing legal weed. But R senators can't bring it to a vote. Would you actually like some representation?
If the they legalized weed what would happen to the police unions? They would lose their law and order buddies.
 
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MrSquished

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Take away all the guns.
Make everyone get gay married.
Ban cars and mandate one bike per person.
Ban all meat, make everyone eat vegan.
Prohibit white people from getting citizenship until all the brown people get it.
 

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I work with and for the large tech giants and see the analytics for this weekly. The expectation is for a hybrid environment to exist post Covid. People will work more form home but offices are not expected to go away. Personal collaboration is better and more productive. Don't forget transportation of good. If I build a factory out in the middle of nowhere and somehow import labor that will fix the job issue. now who is going to build an maintain the roads so my good can get to market? Population centers are not going away.

I'm one of several thousand people that worked in a downtown office of a major metro area. We aren't going back. There are thousands of others in that same downtown in the same shape. Downtown offices are going to be reduced as they are super expensive to keep operating.

As far factories and what not, a lot of these are along major railroads or interstates. There are means to ship. Two of the biggest heavy equipment manufacturers in the country (Cat and John Deere) are both based in IL and a long ways away from Chicago.

We have opportunities, a lot of people just need to shift how they look at things.
 

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If the they legalized were what would happen to the police unions? They would lose their law and order buddies.

More likely, I think the south has big tobacco in their pocket and they don't want to spook that industry.
 

kage69

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Who turned who's back on who?

Yeah those Rs have always been so concerned about rural broadband, don't you remember? Trump, Ajit Pai, the Verizon overlords, they're behind families and small communities, schools and small home businesses all the way. Like ethics, or checks and balances. Yuuuge fans.
 

hal2kilo

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People are moving out to the country. I'm about to sign my final refinance documents and I noticed that they appraised my house about 75k$ more than it was worth when I started the process. I started Aug. 22.
 
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I'm curious how the State run tv (msm) is going to be once Biden takes office. I've seen the state run tv footage in Nazi Germany ww2 documentaries but never experienced it myself. That's something I'd never thought I'd see in America. Socialism doesn't work folks. You fools are too stupid to see you invited a child molesting psychopath into your home for dinner.
 
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