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Tegra 3 refresh coming, 'Tegra 3+', In House LTE modem included

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wirednuts said:
why not? i know the tegra 2 and 3 are not the best soc's on paper, but real world performance seems to be about as good as it gets.....
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Keep in mind, the only faster SoC is the Snapdragon S4, and only on the CPU site. The Tegra 3's GPU performance is better. Not sure if driver upgrades will bring it into parity with S4 on the CPU side, but that'd depend on whether the manufacturer releases an update. So far, only Asus has actually supposed their devices well.
 
Bateluer said:
Keep in mind, the only faster SoC is the Snapdragon S4, and only on the CPU site. The Tegra 3's GPU performance is better. Not sure if driver upgrades will bring it into parity with S4 on the CPU side, but that'd depend on whether the manufacturer releases an update. So far, only Asus has actually supposed their devices well.
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CPU performance of S4 is not better: http://www.technobuffalo.com/comparisons/benchmarked-nvidia-tegra-3-vs-qualcomm-snapdragon-s4/

Krait has not really a better perf per clock than A9. And so Quadcore is much better.
 
sontin said:
Besides Sunspider, which is okay but only using max. 2 Cores, Anandtech didn't use a real cpu test. Linpack is not a cpu test. And this comes direct from the developer.
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Desktop versions of Linpack are certainly a cpu test and have been used as a benchmark for many years now. I don't see why the Android version would be any different. Most applications for mobiles devices aren't that likely to support quads at the moment so a test like Sunspider is still valid IMO.

Nvidia has a reputation for buying reviews so I am much less likely to trust reviews of their produces from sites I am not familiar with.
 
Puddle Jumper said:
Desktop versions of Linpack are certainly a cpu test and have been used as a benchmark for many years now. I don't see why the Android version would be any different.
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Maybe because the developer of linpack for android said that it's not useful as a benchmark?

Most applications for mobiles devices aren't that likely to support quads at the moment so a test like Sunspider is still valid IMO.
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Android is able to schedule task to n-cores and is a true multitasking os. Quadcore will always be better than Dualcore if the per clock performance is not very different.

Nvidia has a reputation for buying reviews so I am much less likely to trust reviews of their produces from sites I am not familiar with.
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As long sites not using more applications it's pointless to give the one or other an advantage. But as far as i see Krait is not much better than A9.
 
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I don't want Nvidia to get bought out because I want to keep having them release awesome graphics cards so I can game on my PC 🙂
 
Meh, Tegra 3 sucks.

NVIDIA is really lazy when it comes to engineering these mobile SoCs. First was the Tegra 2, which brought the first dual-cores but only some months later there were SoCs from TI, Qualcomm, and Samsung which had significantly higher CPU performance and comparable GPU performance. Others trashed it both in CPU and GPU performance, little after it arrived.

Some months ago came Tegra 3 and NVIDIA hyped "FOUR PLUS ONE COREZ!!!!", and now Snapdragon S4 arrived on the scene and because Qualcomm actually has a recent and decent architecture their dual-core is faster than NVIDIA's quad-core plus one. It also uses less power.

The Tegra 3's graphics processor already got trashed when it was introduced by the PowerVR SGX543MP2 which had been on the market for a long time, and the Snapdragon S4 also beats it in this arena. In all honesty, I don't see one redeeming quality of NVIDIA's lazy attempts when it comes to mobiles. First-to-market doesn't always a better product make.
 
LOL_Wut_Axel said:
Meh, Tegra 3 sucks.

NVIDIA is really lazy when it comes to engineering these mobile SoCs. First was the Tegra 2, which brought the first dual-cores but only some months later there were SoCs from TI, Qualcomm, and Samsung which had significantly higher CPU performance and comparable GPU performance. Others trashed it both in CPU and GPU performance, little after it arrived.

Some months ago came Tegra 3 and NVIDIA hyped "FOUR PLUS ONE COREZ!!!!", and now Snapdragon S4 arrived on the scene and because Qualcomm actually has a recent and decent architecture their dual-core is faster than NVIDIA's quad-core plus one. It also uses less power.

The Tegra 3's graphics processor already got trashed when it was introduced by the PowerVR SGX543MP2 which had been on the market for a long time, and the Snapdragon S4 also beats it in this arena. In all honesty, I don't see one redeeming quality of NVIDIA's lazy attempts when it comes to mobiles. First-to-market doesn't always a better product make.
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So they've been first to the game in dual and quad yet got beat by ones that came out after it? Color me shocked!!!
 
zerocool84 said:
So they've been first to the game in dual and quad yet got beat by ones that came out after it? Color me shocked!!!
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If you actually bothered to read, you'd see the problem is that they got beat in almost no time because of their insistence in being first-to-market.

Also, despite NVIDIA being one of the most known, if not THE most known graphics processor company, Tegra 3 got solidly beat by the PowerVR SGX543MP2 graphics processor which came out well before.
 
Not only was Tegra 2 quickly beaten by other dual cores in some apsects such as media playback it was actually a downgrade compared to single cores which had already been on the market for a significant amount of time (aka Hummingbird)
 
Didn't TI show off one of their new OMAPs with Cortex-A15 cores a while back?

They ran it against a quad-core from "another manufacturer" which was presumed to be the Tegra since no one else was making a quad-core SoC at the time. I'll try to hunt down the video of their demonstration, but it was a fairly staggering result.
 
Puddle Jumper said:
Not only was Tegra 2 quickly beaten by other dual cores in some apsects such as media playback it was actually a downgrade compared to single cores which had already been on the market for a significant amount of time (aka Hummingbird)
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And so history repeats itself again.

Is NVIDIA taking a cue from AMD's marketing of "MOAR COREZ"?
 
LOL_Wut_Axel said:
And so history repeats itself again.

Is NVIDIA taking a cue from AMD's marketing of "MOAR COREZ"?
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Seems like it.

For all the hype surrounding Tegra Nvidia has been incredibly inept at making it into a complete product. Something is seriously wrong when one of the top gpu manufacturers keeps putting out products that get blown away by gpu's from Qualcomm, ARM, and Imagination.
 
qualcomm and TI pay a lot of money to google to get special treatment. TI OMAP is the architecture of choice for ICS.
 
Bateluer said:
As noted, they didn't. Qualcomm didn't want to sell them the modem, so they need to develop their own.

The PowerVR SGX543MP2 and MP4 out muscle the Tegra 3 through raw transistor count. Tegra 3 = 80 mm^2. The Apple A5 = 122mm, A5X = 163mm.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5688/apple-ipad-2012-review/11
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What's funny is that even though Tegra 3 has a smaller die size it doesn't translate to better battery life. NVIDIA just sucks when it comes to the mobile market. They make "meh" SoCs in terms of performance and power usage but are the first to use marketing crap to blind the masses. Remember their comparison of Tegra 3 and a Core 2 Duo T7200? NVIDIA used an older version of the synthetic CoreMark benchmark for the T7200 and the newest for Tegra 3 and then claimed they were on par in integer performance. Results came in comparing both on the newer version, and what do you know, the Core 2 Duo solidly beat Tegra 3 in integer performance just like I suspected. Now they're up to their marketing shenanigans with "MOAR COREZ!!!" like AMD is doing with Bulldozer.
 
Why aren't we comparing Tegra 6 to current parts? Seems like everyone wants to compare Teagra 3 to as bunch of chips that haven't shipped yet, 5 months later, so why not pull up some vapourware from nV to compare them against? I mean, if we are going to have a moronic conversation, why not go all out?

S3 mops the floor with Tegra 3 on LinPack Single, LinPack Multi, Sunspider, Browsermark, and Vellamo.
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Heavily overclocked on a development platform. nV could ship 2GHZ version of the Tegra3 in the same configuration that mop the floor with S4, but that would just be dishonest BS. Luckily we have shipping S4 products now-

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5584/htcs-new-strategy-the-htc-one

Five months later we get something comparable to T3. The anti nV crew can try and spin it all they like, we are almost at the point where we are closer to the launch of Tegra 4 then Tegra 3 and we finally have a single device shipping that can compete. If you launch a product and it spends half of its' life as your top product smoking every other shipping product in its' segment, it seems somewhere between absurd and retarded to call it a poor performer.
 
Yeah i don't get the Tegra hate. Of course stuff that comes out later will be better.. People seem to forget that when the Moto Atrix launched it was by far the nicest and fastest phone anyone had ever seen and it had Tegra 2. It wasn't really until the Galaxy S2 came out that it lost the crown.
 
atrix had a lot of issues where apps like skype didn't work on it along with some other video apps due to the tegra architecture. something about nvidia not supporting NEON

that's what i meant about TI and qualcomm paying google. OMAP is the reference CPU for ICS. qualcomm was it for earlier versions
 
alent1234 said:
atrix had a lot of issues where apps like skype didn't work on it along with some other video apps due to the tegra architecture. something about nvidia not supporting NEON

that's what i meant about TI and qualcomm paying google. OMAP is the reference CPU for ICS. qualcomm was it for earlier versions
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TI is the reference platform for ICS but Tegra 2 was the reference platform for Honeycomb and Samsung's Hummingbird was the Gingerbread reference platform. I think Qualcomm was the reference for Froyo.

In the last 4 versions of Android you have 4 different manufacturers for the reference platform so Google is hardly playing favorites.
 
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