Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

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Geosurface

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The more I learn about this case and in particular the more of the trial testimony I see, the more and more I lean toward this scenario:

Davis flips out over the request to turn down the music, though the other two in the car do not. His best friend said he'd seen Davis flip out before. They admit he was getting more and more upset about it without any interaction with Dunn. They admit Dunn asked politely if they'd turn down the music, and that they never heard him curse or yell. They admit Jordan re-engaged with Dunn through the window, and escalated the situation.

I believe Davis got carried away in a tantrum of anger about the request, and a desire to impress his friends by acting like a badass and scaring off this old white guy he perceived as a pushover. I think Davis' envisioned scenario was Dunn gets scared, drives away having peed his pants, and then Davis gets to brag and has a good story out of the deal.

I think Davis did eventually resort to outright threats on Dunn's life. I think he did not mean this literally. I think he was just trying to intimidate and scare Dunn. Prove how hard he was. I think Dunn made up the shotgun thing to try to solidify his self-defense claim, but I believe that at the time he shot he was in legitimate fear for his life. I think he mistook a bluster/bluff/posturing "threat" for a real threat on his life.

I think there is a possibility Davis decided to grab the camera tripod which was in the truck and stick it out the window to pretend it was a shotgun, and scare Dunn with it. However, as I said, I consider it more likely that Dunn just outright bullshitted up the gun thing. Find this hard to consider as a possibility? Keep in mind the times kids have gotten shot with toy guns by cops, after pointing them at the cop, etc. I have seen teenagers do shit this stupid. Is it any stupider than throwing rocks at passing cars?

I think Dunn got carried away himself once his fear was triggered, and I think he went overboard with the number of shots he fired and how he continued to fire at the truck as it was driving off.

I think he should probably be convicted of firing into an occupied vehicle, but nothing else.

I reserve the right to change my tune as the trial progresses, but as I said this is the theory I am *leaning* toward at the moment. Admittedly I change my mind a lot on this case. It's a much more complex and frustrating case to settle on an opinion with than most of these are.
 
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Vic

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I love how even though I have repeatedly stated that I don't think dunn is morally or ethically innocent, you race brigaiders still continue on unabated with your ridiculous racist smear campaigns.


My issue is not that dunn is guilty or innocent. It's that with what we currently know as fact, he COULD be innocent. And in this country we don't convict people based on what modern progressives feel deep down in their hearts.

Three words: "felon thug crew. "

It's disingenuous to accuse others of being emotional when your own emotional involvement is through the roof.
That and you need to learn how a self-defense argument works. One cannot just claim after the fact that they felt threatened and *poof* reasonable doubt. If that were true then very few murderers would ever be convicted. The threat must meet certain standards for reasonableness and credibility, and necessity of response, all of which appear to be lacking here.
I posted relevant Florida statute earlier, please feel free to look it up yourself.
 
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bradly1101

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I saw an interview where someone was stating that they felt the word 'thug' is a more politically correct version of the 'n' word.

What makes someone a thug? Being loud and obtrusive? Are Tea party, loud Harley riders therefore thugs? Is it skin color? Is it someone who shoots an innocent man? What exactly is it that makes one a thug?
 

Pens1566

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It was made clear in the trayvon thread that you and your ilk were mass-reporting posts of people who disagree with you.

So, just because you lynch-mob forum members just like you lynch-mob people who are attacked by thugs doesn't make you special.

And just like all your other bullshit claims, you have NO proof to back this up. None. Zip. Zilch. Nada.

And way to completely ignore the point. You were in fact banned for a blatantly racist post where you defined a thug as someone with dark skin. We're all shocked you didn't address the content and instead went on some tinfoil rant, again.

Mods, given the post where SA was banned before, why is he still allowed to post using his code words???
 

Londo_Jowo

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I saw an interview where someone was stating that they felt the word 'thug' is a more politically correct version of the 'n' word.

What makes someone a thug? Being loud and obtrusive? Are Tea party, loud Harley riders therefore thugs? Is it skin color? Is it someone who shoots an innocent man? What exactly is it that makes one a thug?

A thug can be any criminal, it's not confined to any race.
 

Vic

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So why hasn't it been brought up yet that Dunn's girlfriend testified yesterday that Dunn had had 3 to 4 rum and cokes at the wedding reception he was at just before the shooting? That's not the couple glasses of wine that some had speculated earlier.
Seems to me that Dunn was DUI.
 

Pens1566

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So why hasn't it been brought up yet that Dunn's girlfriend testified yesterday that Dunn had had 3 to 4 rum and cokes at the wedding reception he was at just before the shooting? That's not the couple glasses of wine that some had speculated earlier.
Seems to me that Dunn was DUI.

That is the only logical reason why he drove away and waited until the next day to come forward.
 

Londo_Jowo

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I wasn't accusing you of anything. Just asking a question.

No problem. I alway had the same issue with "The ATPN Crew" calling Treyvon a thug with every breath as well.

Even if one of the occupants in the car had previous issues with the law it doesn't make all in the car criminals or thugs but "The ATPN Crew" never will understand that.
 

Vic

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Then I wonder why he uses that word for these guys? Does he know they are criminals?

One of the occupants in the car did have a criminal record, however, Davis did not and it is one of America's exceptional aspects that we do not believe in guilt by association.
 

spidey07

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One of the occupants in the car did have a criminal record, however, Davis did not and it is one of America's exceptional aspects that we do not believe in guilt by association.

Right, and as a felon he couldn't be around guns. That leaves common sense as the reason why they stashed the weapon to avoid more serious felonies and automatic jail time.

"shit! We gotta get rid of this firearm or I go directly to jail for 10 years!"
 
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One of the occupants in the car did have a criminal record, however, Davis did not and it is one of America's exceptional aspects that we do not believe in guilt by association.


And technically the 3 time felon wasn't involved in anything violent. So, I will stop referring to them as thugs.
 

spidey07

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This sounds a lot like a threat of violence against liberals to me. So by your own logic it should be perfectly legal for any liberal to shoot your thug ass dead. I'll keep that in mind...

No. By my own logic I would expect to be shot if I threatened somebody with a clear, capable and imminent threat.

But I would never do that because I don't want to get shot.

Don't want to get shot? Don't threaten somebody's life or beat them. It's just that simple.
 

Vic

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Right, and as a felon he couldn't be around guns. That leaves common sense as the reason why they stashed the weapon to avoid more serious felonies and automatic jail time.

"shit! We gotta get rid of this firearm or I go directly to jail for 10 years!"

And for the millionth time, there is no evidence that Davis or anyone in the SUV had a gun. The witnesses have testified that they didn't see such a gun or it being stashed, and the CSI testified yesterday to a thoroughly processed crime scene. So it's not common sense to assume they stashed a weapon that didn't exist.

However, there is now more than sufficient evidence to reasonably believe that Dunn was intoxicated at the time of the shooting, and that calls his judgment into question.
 

spidey07

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It is possible though and highly likely they did stash their weapon. They had every opportunity and motivation to do so.

Not that it is even necessary to be a good shoot. The verbal threats combined with disparity of force are more than enough for Mr. Dunn to lawfully defend himself against the clear, capable and imminent threat.
 

Vic

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It is possible though and highly likely they did stash their weapon. They had every opportunity and motivation to do so.

Not that it is even necessary to be a good shoot. The verbal threats combined with disparity of force are more than enough for Mr. Dunn to lawfully defend himself against the clear, capable and imminent threat.

You should stop being so emotional and should start thinking.
 

HomerJS

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To many here all you need is a black man talking loud. They equate that as thug.

Nuff said