Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[SpatiallyAware]

Dumbass, the police and everyone knows they left the scene, somebody with the last name of Dunn was shooting at them. A police officer and witnesses saw them leave and come back.

But let's not question anything that Dunn did, fleeing the scene, not contacting the police then going home without contacting his attorney or calling the police. Yes, the guilty go back to the scene of the crime and the innocent flee not telling anyone anything.

Actually Dunn's attorney has claimed that them leaving the scene was not brought up. No one has seen a police report, they've gotta keep that under wraps for now. Wonder why? Maybe to let the shrieking thug supporters calm down before dropping another bombshell of justice?



I absolutely question what Dunn did. I'm not saying that he's completely morally innocent in this situation (like zimmerman was..). All I'm saying is that based on what we currently know I wouldn't be surprised if the guy walks. If it comes out that they called a thug buddy to recover the hidden shotgun then he will DEFINITELY walk.


And no need to start throwing personal insults. I know you hate hearing the truth and it makes you go irate, but it is what it is.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Actually Dunn's attorney has claimed that them leaving the scene was not brought up. No one has seen a police report, they've gotta keep that under wraps for now. Wonder why? Maybe to let the shrieking thug supporters calm down before dropping another bombshell of justice?



I absolutely question what Dunn did. I'm not saying that he's completely morally innocent in this situation (like zimmerman was..). All I'm saying is that based on what we currently know I wouldn't be surprised if the guy walks. If it comes out that they called a thug buddy to recover the hidden shotgun then he will DEFINITELY walk.


And no need to start throwing personal insults. I know you hate hearing the truth and it makes you go irate, but it is what it is.

Dunn's attorney? How about reading the police report? They backed out of the parking lot and drove while Dunn was shooting at them and Dunn even admits it.

Stop posting your racist/thug bullshit and maybe you won't be insulted so much here.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Dunn's attorney? How about reading the police report? They backed out of the parking lot and drove while Dunn was shooting at them and Dunn even admits it.

Stop posting your racist/thug bullshit and maybe you won't be insulted so much here.

Police report?? What police report? Link?

 

[mugs]

Actually Dunn's attorney has claimed that them leaving the scene was not brought up. No one has seen a police report, they've gotta keep that under wraps for now. Wonder why? Maybe to let the shrieking thug supporters calm down before dropping another bombshell of justice?

After the third or fourth time I've had to correct you on this, I have to conclude that you are intentionally lying. I asked you for sources several times, you had none. I found your source and provided it to you. Dunn's attorney did not claim that the kids failed to mention leaving the scene. He speculated about the impact it would have on the case if they had failed to mention leaving the scene. The difference, if it is not obvious, is that if he claimed it happened then he would need some basis for that claim. If he speculated there is no factual basis for that claim. Could you please stop lying about this?

Police report?? What police report? Link?

I think he mis-spoke. He was probably referring to the videotaped interview of Dunn by the police the day after the murder. From that video two things are clear:

1. Dunn got out of his car and continued to shoot at the kids as they fled. Dunn admitted this.
2. The police knew that the kids left the scene and returned. The source of this knowledge is not known, but it did not come from Dunn-goofed.

 

[Geosurface]

Dunn behaved in some ways which are really hard to defend and make him look really bad. I believe he is most likely toast.

However, those of you who have already convicted him could I ask you to answer two questions honestly?

1.) Do you really think it's that hard to believe that a truck full of bass-bumping rap-blasting kids, at least one of whom had a history of crime, might get carried away and fly off the handle when some middle aged white guy asked them to turn down their music? Is it really that hard for you to imagine they might cross the line and make real, physical threats of violence or death - allowing for the possibility that this was bravado and kids not appreciating the seriousness of making such threats? Their intent may have been merely to intimidate/scare but don't you think it's possible that in their efforts to tell this guy off, and impress one another, somebody or multiple somebodies said something which (whether you agree with it or not) does trigger a legal right to self-defense under law?

2.) Do you think it's possible that someone could act in legitimate self-defense but be so terrified of possibly facing murder charges (especially given what was happening to Zimmerman at this time in the very same state) that they might decide, in the haze of adrenaline and fear in the hours following it, to wait it out and see if they can just "get away" with it? May be a very misguided action, but don't you think a person who isn't thinking straight due to what just happened, might be tempted to try to save themselves the life-overturning, potentially life-ruining process of dealing with the legal system over it? If you knew for a fact you'd been threatened and acted appropriately, might you not make the poor decision to just say "you know what, I did nothing wrong, if they didn't get my license plate I'm not going to voluntarily throw myself to the wolves here." ?

Just some food for thought, I just think there's at least enough reason to not automatically judge Dunn to be guilty of opening fire on kids for no better reason than loud music or umbrage. I find that hard to believe given his demeanor in the interviews, where he'd just come from, how much he'd (not) drank, and his situation in life.

I fully admit I could be wrong and he might have just snapped and unloaded on them for no good reason. Can you all admit you could be wrong too?

 

[QueBert]

Dunn behaved in some ways which are really hard to defend and make him look really bad. I believe he is most likely toast.

However, those of you who have already convicted him could I ask you to answer two questions honestly?

1.) Do you really think it's that hard to believe that a truck full of bass-bumping rap-blasting kids, at least one of whom had a history of crime, might get carried away and fly off the handle when some middle aged white guy asked them to turn down their music? Is it really that hard for you to imagine they might cross the line and make real, physical threats of violence or death - allowing for the possibility that this was bravado and kids not appreciating the seriousness of making such threats? Their intent may have been merely to intimidate/scare but don't you think it's possible that in their efforts to tell this guy off, and impress one another, somebody or multiple somebodies said something which (whether you agree with it or not) does trigger a legal right to self-defense under law?

2.) Do you think it's possible that someone could act in legitimate self-defense but be so terrified of possibly facing murder charges (especially given what was happening to Zimmerman at this time in the very same state) that they might decide, in the haze of adrenaline and fear in the hours following it, to wait it out and see if they can just "get away" with it? May be a very misguided action, but don't you think a person who isn't thinking straight due to what just happened, might be tempted to try to save themselves the life-overturning, potentially life-ruining process of dealing with the legal system over it? If you knew for a fact you'd been threatened and acted appropriately, might you not make the poor decision to just say "you know what, I did nothing wrong, if they didn't get my license plate I'm not going to voluntarily throw myself to the wolves here." ?

Just some food for thought, I just think there's at least enough reason to not automatically judge Dunn to be guilty of opening fire on kids for no better reason than loud music or umbrage. I find that hard to believe given his demeanor in the interviews, where he'd just come from, how much he'd (not) drank, and his situation in life.

I fully admit I could be wrong and he might have just snapped and unloaded on them for no good reason. Can you all admit you could be wrong too?

Nobody in the car has a history of violence, so yeah I find it hard to believe one would just fly off the handle. I don't associate loud music + black teens with anger and violence though. The facts of this case are very clear, according to a person who shot at them, they had a gun. I tend to not believe shooters when there's zero evidence to support their claims.

 

[mugs]

1.) Do you really think it's that hard to believe that a truck full of bass-bumping rap-blasting kids, at least one of whom had a history of crime, might get carried away and fly off the handle when some middle aged white guy asked them to turn down their music? Is it really that hard for you to imagine they might cross the line and make real, physical threats of violence or death - allowing for the possibility that this was bravado and kids not appreciating the seriousness of making such threats? Their intent may have been merely to intimidate/scare but don't you think it's possible that in their efforts to tell this guy off, and impress one another, somebody or multiple somebodies said something which (whether you agree with it or not) does trigger a legal right to self-defense under law?

I wouldn't be surprised if Jordan Davis got angry and yelled some mean things at Mr. Dunn. If Jordan Davis got out of the vehicle and approached Dunn-goofed's door, then I'd wish Mr. Dunn luck with the jury. That may have been what happened, and Mr. Dunn didn't have confidence that anyone would believe he reasonably feared for his life, so he made up the bit about the shotgun. Most of the discussion in this thread has revolved around the shotgun, which all signs point to being imaginary. But some people really want to believe in unicorns.

2.) Do you think it's possible that someone could act in legitimate self-defense but be so terrified of possibly facing murder charges (especially given what was happening to Zimmerman at this time in the very same state) that they might decide, in the haze of adrenaline and fear in the hours following it, to wait it out and see if they can just "get away" with it? May be a very misguided action, but don't you think a person who isn't thinking straight due to what just happened, might be tempted to try to save themselves the life-overturning, potentially life-ruining process of dealing with the legal system over it? If you knew for a fact you'd been threatened and acted appropriately, might you not make the poor decision to just say "you know what, I did nothing wrong, if they didn't get my license plate I'm not going to voluntarily throw myself to the wolves here." ?

This combined with the made up shotgun would make me doubt that Dunn reasonably believed his life was in danger. He wouldn't be able to convince a jury that it was self-defense because he couldn't convince himself.

 

[Geosurface]

I appreciate the thoughtful and honest response, mugs.

 

[HomerJS]

I love how you throw around "assumption of guilt" when the only person that's happening to is Dunn.


I still stand by my earlier statements - if it's determined that the felon thug crew made ANY calls other than to 911 before deciding to return to the scene of the crime then the defense will rip apart the entire 'shotgun story'.


I've yet to hear any reasonable explanation for leaving the scene, then slowly circling a parking lot, then stopping, a witness observe them doing something outside the car, then quickly returned to the scene.


I also am curious why the police report hasn't been released. My bet - that the crew conveniently failed to mention their little side trip before the po po showed up. Again, IF that's the case then Dunn will go free to write his own book.

Making assumptions based on evidence known different then making asumptions pulling them out of your ass. But some will go to that extent for upstanding white man.

 

[Geosurface]

Making assumptions based on evidence known different then making asumptions pulling them out of your ass. But some will go to that extent for upstanding white man.

Setting aside race for a second, are you positive that it isn't actually entirely appropriate to TEND to trust the word of a productive, adult member of society with his own business, and who has successfully held down jobs and kept his nose clean, and kept up with his car payments etc over some teenagers, one of whom has a record of breaking into cars, and who are blasting rap music and flipping out (to one degree or another, they seem to admit it was at least to some degree) when asked to turn it down?

You don't think there might be some legitimate reasons why society would tend to take one's word more seriously than the other? Really?

You don't think that that exact tendency helps keep a society functioning better? To value one type of person over the other? With the understanding that the other type can, in time, as they reach adulthood, turn into the first type (hopefully)?

As long as it's only a tendency, of course... a default position. In the presence of sufficient evidence that that group of kids is telling the truth and the other guy is lying, one should of course be prepared to "switch sides" but so far I don't see that strong evidence in this case.

Btw can't we get this thread moved to P&N?

 

[soundforbjt]

Michael Dunn's trial date being pushed back until early next year.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/jordandavis/default.aspx

 

[SpatiallyAware]

So the 2nd judge recused herself... Pushing the date back... No one wants to touch this. Wonder why? LOL..



Still haven't seen that police report.... My bet is still on them having evidence which will create doubt over the felon thug crew's shotgun. Most likely the crew conveniently didn't tell the po po about their little "cruise around the parking lot next door, stop, and dump something" session.

 

[mugs]

So the 2nd judge recused herself... Pushing the date back... No one wants to touch this. Wonder why? LOL..



Still haven't seen that police report.... My bet is still on them having evidence which will create doubt over the felon thug crew's shotgun. Most likely the crew conveniently didn't tell the po po about their little "cruise around the parking lot next door, stop, and dump something" session.

Yet somehow the cops knew before interviewing Dunn-goofed the next morning that he got out of his car and continued shooting at them as they drove away.

Yeah, your theory is totally plausible. It would help if you were actually familiar with the facts of the case.

*yawn*

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Yet somehow the cops knew before interviewing Dunn-goofed the next morning that he got out of his car and continued shooting at them as they drove away.

Yeah, your theory is totally plausible. It would help if you were actually familiar with the facts of the case.

*yawn*

This crew knew the law very well. They knew exactly what to say and what not to say.People who regularly run with felons know how to get out of stuff like this, it's not at all surprising that they said dunn was shooting at them as they left the parking lot. Shit dunn probably didn't want to risk them coming back with that shotgun to finish him off.

 

[mugs]

This crew knew the law very well.

What is your basis for this assertion?

They knew exactly what to say and what not to say.People who regularly run with felons know how to get out of stuff like this, it's not at all surprising that they said dunn was shooting at them as they left the parking lot. Shit dunn probably didn't want to risk them coming back with that shotgun to finish him off.

Wait, what happened to your theory that they wanted the police to believe they never left the parking lot? You've brought up several times the fact that they returned to the same spot they had previously occupied to make it seem as if they never left. Are you just taking whatever position is most convenient at the moment?

 

[soundforbjt]

So the 2nd judge recused herself... Pushing the date back... No one wants to touch this. Wonder why? LOL..



Still haven't seen that police report.... My bet is still on them having evidence which will create doubt over the felon thug crew's shotgun. Most likely the crew conveniently didn't tell the po po about their little "cruise around the parking lot next door, stop, and dump something" session.

And I believe the third judge also denied Dunn public funding for his trial.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

What is your basis for this assertion?



Wait, what happened to your theory that they wanted the police to believe they never left the parking lot? You've brought up several times the fact that they returned to the same spot they had previously occupied to make it seem as if they never left. Are you just taking whatever position is most convenient at the moment?

I'm not saying that they denied leaving the parking lot. It's like I said a long time ago... Use some logic, deductive reasoning, and remove your bias.


Anyone who truly had no idea what the deal was would've left, gone to the hospital. Or left, drove awhile, pulled over and called 911.



That is not what they did. They left, went to the parking lot immediately next to the gas station (oh I thought they were in grave danger from this predator?), CIRCLED the parking lot, then returned to the supposed horrific scene...?? Right.............

 

[soundforbjt]

I'm not saying that they denied leaving the parking lot. It's like I said a long time ago... Use some logic, deductive reasoning, and remove your bias.


Anyone who truly had no idea what the deal was would've left, gone to the hospital. Or left, drove awhile, pulled over and called 911.



That is not what they did. They left, went to the parking lot immediately next to the gas station (oh I thought they were in grave danger from this predator?), CIRCLED the parking lot, then returned to the supposed horrific scene...?? Right.............

How about they left the parking lot because a crazed maniac was shooting at them, then when a safe distance away, they get out & inspect the damage to their vehicle, discover their friend has been shot, they see the maniac leave the stattion and they call 911 who advises them to return to the station. Sounds logical to me.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

How about they left the parking lot because a crazed maniac was shooting at them, then when a safe distance away, they get out & inspect the damage to their vehicle, discover their friend has been shot, they see the maniac leave the stattion and they call 911 who advises them to return to the station. Sounds logical to me.

LOLOLOL so you're telling me one of the crew was shot, and that they left the scene, drove over the the parking lot next door, CIRCLED the parking lot, THEN pulled over to check the damage on their car, and THAT'S when they realized oh wait we have someone back here bleeding out??

LOL.... LOL that's great, just perfect comedy gold!! Gah I love it.

 

[mugs]

I'm not saying that they denied leaving the parking lot.

Cool, I'm not accusing you of saying they denied leaving the parking lot. I'm accusing you of saying they declined to mention that they left the parking lot and allowed the police to believe that they never left the parking lot. If you deny that, you need to change the password on your account because someone is posting this stuff:

Leaving the scene, SLOWLY circling the parking lot, getting out of the vehicle (per the eyewitness), RETURNING to the gas station, then not telling the cops they left??? Yeah.... I'll go ahead and preorder Dunn's book in that case.

Actually Dunn's attorney has claimed that them leaving the scene was not brought up. No one has seen a police report, they've gotta keep that under wraps for now. Wonder why? Maybe to let the shrieking thug supporters calm down before dropping another bombshell of justice?

And the very comment that started our conversation today:

Still haven't seen that police report.... My bet is still on them having evidence which will create doubt over the felon thug crew's shotgun. Most likely the crew conveniently didn't tell the po po about their little "cruise around the parking lot next door, stop, and dump something" session.

Now when I brought up the fact that the police clearly knew they left the parking lot your story changes to "well of course they told the police Dunn shot at them as they left, they're Harvard-educated black teen criminals who know the law and know how to get out of trouble."

Make up your mind, please.

It's like I said a long time ago... Use some logic, deductive reasoning, and remove your bias.

What's my bias? Please show me one of my posts where this bias is apparent.

Anyone who truly had no idea what the deal was would've left, gone to the hospital. Or left, drove awhile, pulled over and called 911.

That is not what they did. They left, went to the parking lot immediately next to the gas station (oh I thought they were in grave danger from this predator?), CIRCLED the parking lot, then returned to the supposed horrific scene...?? Right.............

See one of the half dozen replies where I tore this illogic apart. I'm not wasting more time on this nonsense.

 

[soundforbjt]

LOLOLOL so you're telling me one of the crew was shot, and that they left the scene, drove over the the parking lot next door, CIRCLED the parking lot, THEN pulled over to check the damage on their car, and THAT'S when they realized oh wait we have someone back here bleeding out??

LOL.... LOL that's great, just perfect comedy gold!! Gah I love it.

Who has stated that they circled the parking lot?

 

[SheHateMe]

Hey? Did they find the invisible shotgun yet?

 

[QueBert]

Hey? Did they find the invisible shotgun yet?

It doesn't matter if they find a gun that didn't exist or not, apparently leaving the parking lot WHILE GETTING SHOT AT makes them guilty. If they weren't trying to ditch an imaginary shot gun why did they leave the parking lot? Only guilty people leave the scene just to return minutes later. Innocent people leave the scene for good and go on to order a pizza with all the toppings.

 

[LTC8K6]

http://www.news4jax.com/blob/view/-/19561384/data/3/-/mlr4iiz/-/Michael-Dunn-discovery-materials.pdf

There's a bunch of discovery docs, if anyone wants to take a look.

 

[LTC8K6]

If you read through the discovery, Mr. Dunn is toast. Burnt toast.