Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[spidey07]

And if a gun were present WHY WOULD THEY NOT USE IT? Dunn plugged 9 rounds at the car, think ANYONE who was in possession would have not started shooting back??. When Dunn finally got apprehended THEN we get the "they had a shotgun" story, this is so simple a 5yr old can see what happened..

Just for show or not one in the chamber.

Thugs think they can show a weapon to intimidate. They may not be prepared to fire. They use it for show and intimidation.

This is why you always carry ready to fire. The thug will need time to make his weapon ready and cock one like he sees in the movies so that he now means business.

 

[QueBert]

Just for show or not one in the chamber.

Thugs think they can show a weapon to intimidate. They may not be prepared to fire. They use it for show and intimidation.

This is why you always carry ready to fire. The thug will need time to make his weapon ready and cock one like he sees in the movies so that he now means business.

does this apply to imaginary weapons too?

 

[QueBert]

That's because you are a liberal coward and refuse to stand up for anything important. No. not me...let someone else protect my freedoms. Typical Obama supporter. Cowards the lot of yas. Fact is, Dunn is still alive. So far.

Of the two people involved in this, who had the most to lose? Based on that, which one should have done something different that sad day?

I don't know either of the 2, and neither do you, but I'm sure you'll say it's Dunn though right? Me personally? I'd say the one without the gun had more to lose, as he was the only one here where death was a possibility.

 

[spidey07]

does this apply to imaginary weapons too?

We had a similar case in my state. The thugs kept proclaiming they didn do nuffin.

After a very long time and investigation the weapon used to threaten was found.

Ps. That thug was a white guy that got lawfully shot.

Do not present a weapon unless you intend to use it. Otherwise you might get dead.

Still think I can't lawfully shoot you for stealing shit? Better warn your crew to pay attention to state laws.

 

[Quakester]

I don't know either of the 2, and neither do you, but I'm sure you'll say it's Dunn though right? Me personally? I'd say the one without the gun had more to lose, as he was the only one here where death was a possibility.

Uh, I think we agreed?

 

[BUTCH1]

does this apply to imaginary weapons too?

LOL, and yea, a shotgun's about the simplest gun to keep loaded, funny, when I watch "Cops" I've yet to see anyone carrying an unloaded gun, not once. Imaginary guns are never loaded lol..

 

[spidey07]

LOL, and yea, a shotgun's about the simplest gun to keep loaded, funny, when I watch "Cops" I've yet to see anyone carrying an unloaded gun, not once. Imaginary guns are never loaded lol..

Actually you see in the movies and shows the thugs and cops will chamber a round to get ready for business.

Do you know what a loaded gun is? Do you understand how to operate a weapon to be ready to fire?

Obviously you don't. A shot gun is probably the most difficult gun to load there is. Very time consuming.

 

[BUTCH1]

Actually you see in the movies and shows the thugs and cops will chamber a round to get ready for business.

Do you know what a loaded gun is? Do you understand how to operate a weapon to be ready to fire?

Obviously you don't. A shot gun is probably the most difficult gun to load there is. Very time consuming.

THERE WAS NO SHOTGUN, you WANT to believe there was to justify Dunn's blasting into a crowded vehicle it's that simple, why do you keep posting the same crap over and over, THERE WAS NO SHOTGUN, if there was Dunn would have called to report his life in danger and explain his actions HE DIDN'T, HE HAULED ASS, WAS ARRESTED AT HIS HOME MUCH LATER, he had PLENTY of time notify the police, HE DIDN'T, THOUGHT HE GOT AWAY WITH MURDER/thread.....................................

 

[spidey07]

THERE WAS NO SHOTGUN, you WANT to believe there was to justify Dunn's blasting into a crowded vehicle it's that simple, why do you keep posting the same crap over and over, THERE WAS NO SHOTGUN, if there was Dunn would have called to report his life in danger and explain his actions HE DIDN'T, HE HAULED ASS, WAS ARRESTED AT HIS HOME MUCH LATER, he had PLENTY of time notify the police, HE DIDN'T, THOUGHT HE GOT AWAY WITH MURDER/thread.....................................

So you're backing off a shotgun is easy to load?

Do you even know what a loaded weapon is?

Hell do you even know what a pistol grip shot gun is? Do you know how small they are?

Fuck. You've got no clue.

 

[They Live]

We had a similar case in my state. The thugs kept proclaiming they didn do nuffin.

After a very long time and investigation the weapon used to threaten was found.

Ps. That thug was a white guy that got lawfully shot.

Sure spidey

 

[Dari]

THERE WAS NO SHOTGUN, you WANT to believe there was to justify Dunn's blasting into a crowded vehicle it's that simple, why do you keep posting the same crap over and over, THERE WAS NO SHOTGUN, if there was Dunn would have called to report his life in danger and explain his actions HE DIDN'T, HE HAULED ASS, WAS ARRESTED AT HIS HOME MUCH LATER, he had PLENTY of time notify the police, HE DIDN'T, THOUGHT HE GOT AWAY WITH MURDER/thread.....................................

This is like the birth certificate fiasco all over again. It's like they hang on to a fantasy for dear life as if letting go will single-handledly destroy all they stand for. Not a single shred of evidence except from the killer and the racists will use that to declare these kids guilty of their friends' murder. It's sad is what it is...

 

[BUTCH1]

So you're backing off a shotgun is easy to load?

Do you even know what a loaded weapon is?

Hell do you even know what a pistol grip shot gun is? Do you know how small they are?

Fuck. You've got no clue.

No, your not just living in denial, YOUR THE MAYOR! no weapons found, is your pea-sized brain able to comprehend that? everyone here knows your glad a black person is dead, that's the bottom line, why don't you go and find a skinhead or Nazi forum to join where you will be welcomed with open arms, around here your a fucking laughingstock.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Lol at butch's tantrum.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I think spidey is the only one here with a 'crew'. The rest of us mostly consist of very bright computer geeks; no doubt conforming to one of the 12 models. (models are a qualitative finding from being at gen-con)

maybe spidey is model 11, the gun-nut redneck geek that's smart, but also bordering on paranoid schizophrenic?

You rarely see 11 at conventions, some thought we boxed the line; but in truth he's just staying at home, playing x-box, calling everyone that kills him a ni*-fa*; and pissing into mason jars.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Fear:
those who can do us wrong are terrible to us when we are liable to be wronged; for as a rule men do wrong to others whenever they have the power to do it. And those who have been wronged, or believe themselves to be wronged, are terrible; for they are always looking out for their opportunity. Also those who have done people wrong, if they possess power, since they stand in fear of retaliation.

Hate:
hatred is directed also against classes: anger can be cured by time; but hatred cannot. The one aims at giving pain to its object, the other at doing him harm; the angry man wants his victims to feel; the hater does not mind whether they feel or not.

The angry man feels pain, but the hater does not. Much may happen to make the angry man pity those who offend him, but the hater under no circumstances wishes to pity a man whom he has once hated: for the angry man would have the offenders suffer for what they have done; the hater would have them cease to exist.




This is why we can talk through anger and learn; but when someone is fearful of a whole group they never cease to hate.

 

[JoetheLion]

seriously? 89 pages about this? At least you're solving the world's most important problems...or not.

 

[HumblePie]

:biggrin: Perfect sense would have been to drive away and not come back if they actually had a gun.

Love how you believe these kids were cool, calm and collective but Dunn wasn't thinking rationally which is why he never contacted the police and just took off for home.

And note one of the witnesses that watched the kids in the vehicle in that lot and didn't see them dispose of anything was a police officer.

Perfect sense would not be going back to the gas station at all. If they drove off and stopped at the strip mall the moment, as they claim, figured out Davis was shot and hurt, why drive back to the area they were being shot at? They obviously felt safe enough to do so once they arrived at the strip mall. Oh and mugs, it's further than a couple hundred feet from the gas station to the strip mall. It was estimated to be about 400 feet by detective Musser. Still, it was far enough away that they could have dumped something en route.

The problem for their behavior, logically speaking, is coming back to the area they were shot at if they had nothing to hide. Driving off and going straight to a hospital I would believe. Driving off, and stopping a short distance away from the scene and remain there for help to arrive I would believe. Driving off, multiple passengers getting out of the car, circling around the car a bit, and then driving back. A bit more suspicious behavior. Not saying that points to them doing anything bad, just that the behavior pattern would not be something I classified as a normal response to the situation at that point. Especially not for innocent kids with nothing to hide.

Why do I think that? Assume the kids did have something to hide such as a weapon or weapon like object. If you were in their shoes what would you do? If you actualy HAD something like that, then driving off and disappearing for awhile would seem pretty bad. If they stayed at the location the entire time, then they would be caught with the object. They have to get rid of the object with the least amount of suspicion cast upon them. Again, this is assuming they HAD an object they didn't want anyone else finding. If you are in their positions what would you do? I would drive off a bit to a place I know I can drop the object off out of sight while calling friends to come grab it. Then I would drive to either the hospital if feasible (ie I know someone isn't mortally wounded) or place myself in an area that emergency help can get to me the quickest if someone is mortally wounded.

Guess what the kids did?

Now, if I was in their shoes and had nothing to hide, I would drive off to a safe place and stay right there. Call 911 and tell them where to send an ambulance while trying to solicit help from others nearby if the need was dire.


The problem is, we know that the kids were on the phone while at the strip mall. witnesses saw them on the phone. The public has no knowledge at this time who they were talking to on the phone. If they were speaking with 911 the entire time, even their strange behavior of driving off and coming back would just be what it is.. strange behavior. If phone records during that time show ANY of the kids calling anyone that is not 911 or their parents... yah that casts far more suspicion about why they drove off and came back.


So really, logically speaking, it all depends on whom they were calling at the time they drove off and came back to the gas station IMHO. Until that evidence is released, it still leaves it open if they had an object to dump or not.

 

[mugs]

Perfect sense would not be going back to the gas station at all. If they drove off and stopped at the strip mall the moment, as they claim, figured out Davis was shot and hurt, why drive back to the area they were being shot at? They obviously felt safe enough to do so once they arrived at the strip mall. Oh and mugs, it's further than a couple hundred feet from the gas station to the strip mall. It was estimated to be about 400 feet by detective Musser. Still, it was far enough away that they could have dumped something en route.

The problem for their behavior, logically speaking, is coming back to the area they were shot at if they had nothing to hide. Driving off and going straight to a hospital I would believe. Driving off, and stopping a short distance away from the scene and remain there for help to arrive I would believe. Driving off, multiple passengers getting out of the car, circling around the car a bit, and then driving back. A bit more suspicious behavior. Not saying that points to them doing anything bad, just that the behavior pattern would not be something I classified as a normal response to the situation at that point. Especially not for innocent kids with nothing to hide.

Why do I think that? Assume the kids did have something to hide such as a weapon or weapon like object. If you were in their shoes what would you do? If you actualy HAD something like that, then driving off and disappearing for awhile would seem pretty bad. If they stayed at the location the entire time, then they would be caught with the object. They have to get rid of the object with the least amount of suspicion cast upon them. Again, this is assuming they HAD an object they didn't want anyone else finding. If you are in their positions what would you do? I would drive off a bit to a place I know I can drop the object off out of sight while calling friends to come grab it. Then I would drive to either the hospital if feasible (ie I know someone isn't mortally wounded) or place myself in an area that emergency help can get to me the quickest if someone is mortally wounded.

Guess what the kids did?

Now, if I was in their shoes and had nothing to hide, I would drive off to a safe place and stay right there. Call 911 and tell them where to send an ambulance while trying to solicit help from others nearby if the need was dire.


The problem is, we know that the kids were on the phone while at the strip mall. witnesses saw them on the phone. The public has no knowledge at this time who they were talking to on the phone. If they were speaking with 911 the entire time, even their strange behavior of driving off and coming back would just be what it is.. strange behavior. If phone records during that time show ANY of the kids calling anyone that is not 911 or their parents... yah that casts far more suspicion about why they drove off and came back.


So really, logically speaking, it all depends on whom they were calling at the time they drove off and came back to the gas station IMHO. Until that evidence is released, it still leaves it open if they had an object to dump or not.

Sure, it's easy to make them appear guilty if you just declare that perfectly reasonable behavior is suspicious.

Driving off is obviously reasonable, I think we agree on that. They were being shot at.

Presumably they stopped at the strip mall to check for damage, which explains why they got out and circled around the vehicle (at which point they realized Jordan Davis had been shot). So there's nothing suspicious about that.

For some reason you've decided that returning to where they were shot is suspicious, and I can't really figure that out. That seems to me like the least likely thing they would do if they had a gun. It would have been better for them to dispose of it en route to the hospital rather than disposing of it near the scene of the crime in view of a police officer. There certainly isn't anything suspicious about returning to the gas station - emergency vehicles would already be on their way there, so that would be the best place for them to wait.

 

[HumblePie]

Sure, it's easy to make them appear guilty if you just declare that perfectly reasonable behavior is suspicious.

Driving off is obviously reasonable, I think we agree on that. They were being shot at.

Presumably they stopped at the strip mall to check for damage, which explains why they got out and circled around the vehicle (at which point they realized Jordan Davis had been shot). So there's nothing suspicious about that.

For some reason you've decided that returning to where they were shot is suspicious, and I can't really figure that out. That seems to me like the least likely thing they would do if they had a gun. It would have been better for them to dispose of it en route to the hospital rather than disposing of it near the scene of the crime in view of a police officer. There certainly isn't anything suspicious about returning to the gas station - emergency vehicles would already be on their way there, so that would be the best place for them to wait.

Yes, returning is the suspicious part. It only makes sense if they had something to dump off before returning. Fleeing is perfectly reasonable. Stopping after they flee and feel safe while calling 911 is also perfectly reasonable.

To reiterate, the suspicious hinges on whom they were calling during that time frame. If they only called 911 then all is good. They call their friends then that would be completely amiss for reasonable behavior for innocent teens for that type of incident.

 

[mugs]

Yes, returning is the suspicious part. It only makes sense if they had something to dump off before returning. Fleeing is perfectly reasonable. Stopping after they flee and feel safe while calling 911 is also perfectly reasonable.

WHY? I've already given another plausible reason why they'd return to the scene of the crime - because emergency vehicles would already be on there way there, so it's the best place to wait.

So why does it only make sense to return if they had dumped something at the strip mall?

Why does dumping something at the strip mall and then returning make any sense at all when they could have just kept driving to dump the gun somewhere that it wouldn't be easily found?

I know why, because you don't want to believe that Michael Dunn might be an asshole who shot someone for a bad reason. Or even that he made a mistake when he thought he saw a gun. So you're ignoring all logic and creating nonsensical logic to explain why the victims were guilty of a crime.

 

[QueBert]

They fact they were able to drive right around the corner and dump a shot gun which went on to never be found's impressive as hell.

 

[mugs]

They fact they were able to drive right around the corner and dump a shot gun which went on to never be found's impressive as hell.

Imaginary shotguns are pretty hard to find.

 

[QueBert]

Imaginary shotguns are pretty hard to find.

Dunn said they had a shotgun, that's a FACT. You cannot dispute the FACT that Dunn said he saw a gun. That's a FACT

 

[HumblePie]

WHY? I've already given another plausible reason why they'd return to the scene of the crime - because emergency vehicles would already be on there way there, so it's the best place to wait.

So why does it only make sense to return if they had dumped something at the strip mall?

Why does dumping something at the strip mall and then returning make any sense at all when they could have just kept driving to dump the gun somewhere that it wouldn't be easily found?

I know why, because you don't want to believe that Michael Dunn might be an asshole who shot someone for a bad reason. Or even that he made a mistake when he thought he saw a gun. So you're ignoring all logic and creating nonsensical logic to explain why the victims were guilty of a crime.

If the teens are only 400 feet away from the scene they left in the adjacent parking lot strip mall, an ambulance could just as easily get there as it could the gas station. Driving back those 400 feet make no sense if you are waiting for an ambulance. And to go into the same spot they left from? Why not just stop at the edge of the parking lot for the gas station to make it easier for emergency crews to access them instead of a parking spot next to the building entrance.

Returning to the scene if innocent makes no sense, especially if they were already on the line with 911. Now if the 911 operator told them to return... that makes logical sense, but that is evidence we do not have at this point.

 

[QueBert]

If the teens are only 400 feet away from the scene they left in the adjacent parking lot strip mall, an ambulance could just as easily get there as it could the gas station. Driving back those 400 feet make no sense if you are waiting for an ambulance. And to go into the same spot they left from? Why not just stop at the edge of the parking lot for the gas station to make it easier for emergency crews to access them instead of a parking spot next to the building entrance.

Returning to the scene if innocent makes no sense, especially if they were already on the line with 911. Now if the 911 operator told them to return... that makes logical sense, but that is evidence we do not have at this point.

I agree what makes sense is driving hundreds of miles without notifying the police of what happened.

Oh, and ordering a pizza.

Innocent people flee the scene and never return, this is common knowledge. And they called 911 to report it too?!? Hells yeah, they gotta be guilty.