Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[QueBert]

I guess looking at this from a purely logical perspective based on the facts and evidence, rather than from emotion, makes me a tool.


I'm ok with that.

The facts about this case are:

Dunn shot and killed a teenager, then he then drove away. And if the police hadn't tracked him down he would have never contacted them informing them what had happened.

There are no other facts here, none. Yeah they drove away but they got shot up, only a fool would stick around and potentially get shot up more.

 

[spidey07]

The facts about this case are:

Dunn shot and killed a teenager, then he then drove away. And if the police hadn't tracked him down he would have never contacted them informing them what had happened.

There are no other facts here, none. Yeah they drove away but they got shot up, only a fool would stick around and potentially get shot up more.

You're forgetting the verbal threats to the victims life and shotgun.

 

[soundforbjt]

You're forgetting the verbal threats to the victims life and shotgun.

Apparently, there's no evidence to either so far...except for the alleged murderers' statements.

 

[QueBert]

You're forgetting the verbal threats to the victims life and shotgun.

Not evidence, those are both simply statements. Neither hasn't been proven, if the police had either of those as evidence he wouldn't be in jail without a bond. Hell, at this point it doesn't even look like they're considering his statements to be remotely factual let alone actual evidence.

If I shot you I can't just say "he had a shot gun" if it was that easy everyone could get away with murder right?

There are 3 people who were in the car that dispute his "evidence" Gee, I wonder why exactly you're taking his statement as the sworn truth but totally ignoring what the other 3 people involved in this incident are saying.

 

[spidey07]

Not evidence, those are both simply statements. Neither hasn't been proven, if the police had either of those as evidence he wouldn't be in jail without a bond. Hell, at this point it doesn't even look like they're considering his statements to be remotely factual let alone actual evidence.

If I shot you I can't just say "he had a shot gun" if it was that easy everyone could get away with murder right?

There are 3 people who were in the car that dispute his "evidence" Gee, I wonder why exactly you're taking his statement as the sworn truth but totally ignoring what the other 3 people involved in this incident are saying.

They're lying. They have extreme motivation to lie as there was a felon in the car and he would get 10 years for felon in possession of a firearm. That's why they dumped the weapon.

Then they got their story straight of "we didn do nuffin"

 

[QueBert]

They're lying. They have extreme motivation to lie as there was a felon in the car and he would get 10 years for felon in possession of a firearm. That's why they dumped the weapon.

Then they got their story straight of "we didn do nuffin"

You do realize Dunn has just as big of a reason to lie right? I mean he's facing murder 1 here, so even if what you say is true. In terms of lying to save your ass they both had reasons. If you want to go that route you shouldn't believe shit either say.

But to me 10 years is nothing compared to possible life in prison, so Dunn's the liar here by your twisted jump to conclusion logic.

 

[Geosurface]

Yes, both parties have a reason to lie.

Yes, not calling cops is fishy on Dunn's part, very fishy.

However, to me, personally, it is more believable that a car full of music-blasting teens/early 20's males, one of whom is a felon, would react in a threatening way to someone asking them to turn their music down... than it is for me to believe a middle aged businessman whose girlfriend is about to come back out of the gas station decides to just unload on a car full of strangers for no good reason.

If that had a shotgun, I have no idea if they had any intention to use it, or if they just wanted to flash it at him to scare him. My personal suspicion is, they egged one another on, within that Durango, over the course of a few seconds they each inspired the other to greater heights of stupidity and shit like "man fuck this white boy, who he think he is?" type shit, until someone, or a couple of someones, in that Durango made the stupid decision to start yelling shit at Dunn, including (most likely hollow) threats on his life.

If there was in fact a shotgun in that truck, or some sort of weapon, someone made the monumentally stupid choice to flash it out the window, again, I doubt with intent to fire... but rather intent to intimidate. IF this happened, we have no way of knowing if it was Jordan Davis who did it. He may have even been the voice of reason in the Durango trying to calm the others down... who the hell knows or ever will know?

It's tragic what happened to him... either way. He doesn't seem to have been a horrible thug based on what I've seen. He may have been making some unwise choices about who to associate with, and some of THEM may have been stupid thugs, though.

I honestly have no idea if they had a weapon or not, but I'd bet you they at least made verbal threats on his life, threats they had no intention of acting on in all likelihood. Was Dunn reasonable in doing what he did in response to those threats, if those threats did occur? I don't know. I would prefer he had backed his car up, pulled over to a different spot, and let his girlfriend get in the car there.

Then again, we're talking a car with what, 4 or 5 guys in it? That could be quite intimidating if it's RIGHT next to your car, and they are making threats. And if there really was a gun? That takes it to a whole other level and at that point, I can understand what he did for sure.

I do feel that the driving over to the other parking lot area points in the direction of them stashing something, particularly if they really did lie about doing that to cops. However, driving off could also be chalked up to panic after a crazy thing just happened, and sorting their thoughts out, then deciding to return back once they'd calmed down a bit and realized the threat had departed...

So I just don't know.

Dunn could be an absolute piece of shit, a horrible man who shot up a car full of young guys for no good reason. I just personally find the narrative flow of what he describes to be more believable than the other option. I'm not firmly decided though.

In the end, it's really stupid to complain about loud rap music coming from a car full of young guys... really, really stupid. Something I'd never do. He should have tolerated it for another minute or whatever til she got back to the car.

Then again, the guy's in his late 40's right? At that age, he may feel he's seen the country he grew up in change in some ways that really piss him off, and maybe telling some kids to turn down the music was his way to vent about that... I still think that's stupid, but I can understand it. And it doesn't merit him having his life threatened, if that's what happened, or spending the rest of his days in prison for reacting reasonably to that threat (again, if that's what happened)

And clearly, having loud music going in your car when you're a young man, and reacting like a hothead when told to turn it down, also do not justify you being shot dead. IF that's all that they did.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Not evidence, those are both simply statements. Neither hasn't been proven, if the police had either of those as evidence he wouldn't be in jail without a bond. Hell, at this point it doesn't even look like they're considering his statements to be remotely factual let alone actual evidence.

If I shot you I can't just say "he had a shot gun" if it was that easy everyone could get away with murder right?

There are 3 people who were in the car that dispute his "evidence" Gee, I wonder why exactly you're taking his statement as the sworn truth but totally ignoring what the other 3 people involved in this incident are saying.

Just to make this blatantly clear, my issue with the durango felon crew is that they're a group that involves itself with thug felons on probation.

Sorry but when you decide to run with felons on current probation your trust is worth nothing in my book.


Make the specific choice to act like a thug, look like a thug... Don't be surprised when you're treated like a thug.


Again... Jury of 12 looking at these facts? Bahahaha............ The durango felon crew screwed themselves by leaving to ditch that shotgun.

 

[cliftonite]

Wow, "durango felon crew"? I just saw this thread but am amazed at the instant racist undertones in your comments.

Same set of racists in these type of threads: Spidey, geo, Humblepie, spatiallyaware, etc.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

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However, to me, personally, it is more believable that a car full of music-blasting teens/early 20's males, one of whom is a felon, would react in a threatening way to someone asking them to turn their music down... than it is for me to believe a middle aged businessman whose girlfriend is about to come back out of the gas station decides to just unload on a car full of strangers for no good reason.


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I agree very much with this. Just from a logical perspective, the durango felon crew already has a turbulent history including probation and other major issues.

The likelihood of an old businessman pulling up and just blasting away at a car for no reason while his wife is in the store makes no sense, none at all.

And, a jury isn't going to believe it either.............

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Same set of racists in these type of threads: Spidey, geo, Humblepie, spatiallyaware, etc.

??


How in the world is that racist... You do realize that screaming racist without actually quoting anything and making a point has gotten many people banned already. Past that, you associating "felons" and "thugs" with racism means you associate those terms with a certain race...... So who is the racist here?


What's a better name for this group of men, involved in robbing vehicles, on probation, felon...... in a durango..... With a shotgun..... Give me one and I'll use it.

 

[Geosurface]

How in the world is that racist...

There are numerous people on these boards for whom merely seeing people they know or assume to be white males say something negative about a black person (no matter what the particulars are of who that black person is, what they've done, how they conduct themselves, etc) means they're witnessing "racism" and nothing will dissuade them from that conclusion. Nothing.

A white guy doing anything less than celebrating diversity and praising a black person or blacks in general? Racism!!!!!!

And this attitude is a big part of why criminality has gotten as bad as it has in certain communities. People from outside have been effectively silenced when they try to point out the problems, with the word "racist" and people from inside have been silenced with the term "Uncle Tom" or "actin' white" --- the purpose is the same; dismiss the criticism, ignore the messenger, continue with the unhealthy, unproductive behaviors.

 

[QueBert]

Above post cracks me up, I wonder if they're trolling, or really that dumb. Maybe both?

 

[soundforbjt]

I agree very much with this. Just from a logical perspective, the durango felon crew already has a turbulent history including probation and other major issues.

The likelihood of an old businessman pulling up and just blasting away at a car for no reason while his wife is in the store makes no sense, none at all.

And, a jury isn't going to believe it either.............

The " durango crew" has a turbulent history and major issues? Do tell me the whole history on the "crew", I was stupidly believing only one of them had anything on their record, but you just claimed the whole "crew" does...Please post links for all of the info for the rest as well...I'll be waiting...:whiste:

 

[QueBert]

The " durango crew" has a turbulent history and major issues? Do tell me the whole history on the "crew", I was stupidly believing only one of them had anything on their record, but you just claimed the whole "crew" does...Please post links for all of the info for the rest as well...I'll be waiting...:whiste:

You make jokes but that felon had stolen some car stereos!! If you didn't know all car stereo thieves are super violent people who ride around with shot guns.

 

[BUTCH1]

They're lying. They have extreme motivation to lie as there was a felon in the car and he would get 10 years for felon in possession of a firearm. That's why they dumped the weapon.

Then they got their story straight of "we didn do nuffin"

Yet Dunn sped off from the scene, if it was self-defense why would he not STAY at the scene to give the cops a report?. It speaks for itself, he got pissed and shot up some kids, then hauled ass, plain and simple..

 

[HumblePie]

Yet Dunn sped off from the scene, if it was self-defense why would he not STAY at the scene to give the cops a report?. It speaks for itself, he got pissed and shot up some kids, then hauled ass, plain and simple..

Because he shot from cover of his car into a car of multiple people with a gun. If his story is the truth, he was in a position where several people with 1 or more firearms could have shot at him. According to his story he fired and fled to safety.

Fleeing to safety is not the problem. One is not legally bound to stay at the scene until cops arrived if there is a possible threat and danger.

The telling part is the next part of seeing the news story about it that night, but continuing to drive home the next morning. I can see some bit of validation that since he was out of town he was in fear that if he contacted local authorities at or near where the incident occurred that he may be misrepresented. Again a valid concern. So he drove home the next day. The MOMENT he arrived though he should have been contacting his attorney and local authorities about the incident. THAT is where he fucked up. He made them track him down and that doesn't look good at all. It could still be just attributable to bad judgement and fear about what might happen. Still it's a bad judgement call and at that point casts suspicion about his motives for shooting and fleeing. If you are the person shooting in self defense, you ALWAYS want to have your side of the story heard first. Assuming it was a legal self defense shooting.

This has been explained many times in this thread. Re-hashing this point is getting old.

 

[They Live]

But the affidavit from Musser contradicts that. Musser said the vehicle did leave the parking lot after the shooting, but stopped after going about 400 feet into a connected strip mall parking lot when two of the teenagers got out to check on the condition of the vehicle.
After realizing that Davis had been shot, they drove in reverse back to the gas station where everyone remained until police arrived. Musser estimated the vehicle returned within 90 seconds.
Witnesses told police they did not see anyone remove any items from the SUV, nor did they see anyone in possession of a weapon, according to the affidavit.
Musser also detailed the confrontation that occurred before the shooting:
While his girlfriend went inside the store, Dunn asked the teenagers to turn down the music. The teen in the front seat complied. Davis, who was sitting in the right rear passenger seat, then told his friend to turn the music back up.
Davis and Dunn then began to have an argument while both were still in their vehicles. A witness told police Dunn pointed a handgun out the window and said, “You are not going to talk to me like that” before he began firing at the SUV and continued firing as the vehicle attempted to leave the parking lot.

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...ordan-davis-fled-after-shooting#ixzz2OCCy4662

I find the part I put in bold very interesting. Was this "witness" one of the kids in the SUV, or someone else who saw the whole thing?
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[QueBert]

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...ordan-davis-fled-after-shooting#ixzz2OCCy4662

I find the part I put in bold very interesting. Was this "witness" one of the kids in the SUV, or someone else who saw the whole thing?
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So wait Dunn didn't even get out of his car? And they drove 400 feet and came right back? If that 400 feet part is true, the shot gun should be real easy to find. If they hid it beyond being find-able that close to the scene I'm very impressed. But they are black thugs, so I suppose they're really skilled at ditching weapons and drugs, amirite SA?

Hummmm I doubt this Musser character was one of the occupants in the SUV. Musser doesn't strike me as the last name of a black hoodie thug in the the Durango gang.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Read more at Jacksonville.com: http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/...ordan-davis-fled-after-shooting#ixzz2OCCy4662

I find the part I put in bold very interesting. Was this "witness" one of the kids in the SUV, or someone else who saw the whole thing?
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I'm sure the eyewitness evidence that Spidey, Geo and SA have clung to from Dunn(the murderer) is stronger. Come on, black teenagers = thugs.

/sarcasm

 

[They Live]

So wait Dunn didn't even get out of his car? And they drove 400 feet and came right back? If that 400 feet part is true, the shot gun should be real easy to find.

Hummmm I doubt this Musser character was one of the occupants in the SUV. Musser doesn't strike me as the last name of a black hoodie thug in the the Durango gang.

Musser is the detective.

 

[They Live]

I'm sure the eyewitness evidence that Spidey, Geo and SA have clung to from Dunn(the murderer) is stronger. Come on, black teenagers = thugs.

/sarcasm

If what this eyewitness says is true, and there is no evidence that the teens had a gun, or made any type of threats, this Dunn guy is fucked big time.

Spidey better start donating quickly.

 

[soundforbjt]

Well, this explains why Dunn's attorney is also asking that the witness statements not be released to the public, doesn't sound like there's any evidence to support Dunn at all.

 

[Capt Caveman]

So wait Dunn didn't even get out of his car? And they drove 400 feet and came right back? If that 400 feet part is true, the shot gun should be real easy to find. If they hid it beyond being find-able that close to the scene I'm very impressed. But they are black thugs, so I suppose they're really skilled at ditching weapons and drugs, amirite SA?

Hummmm I doubt this Musser character was one of the occupants in the SUV. Musser doesn't strike me as the last name of a black hoodie thug in the the Durango gang.

Musser is the lead detective and his affidavit is from interviewing Dunn, the teenagers and eyewitnesses.

 

[HumblePie]

The shotgun being easy to find would be if the following is assumed.

1) there was a firearm in the durango
2) they drove off nearby to dump it
3) they didn't have anyone pick up the firearm once it was dumped

Number 3 is the key part. Drive off to dump weapon while calling friends to come pick it up. Very plausible scenario assuming the firearm Dunn claims is real.