Teenager shot dead after playing loud music

[SpatiallyAware]

Yeah, I'm sure they had a shotgun pointed at him and allowed him to draw his weapon and fire upon them without making an attempt to return fire.

Sounds logical to me

Sounds like another case of some thug(s) trying to intimidate an old man and getting more than they bargained for.


And Que; let it be a lesson the next time your temper flares, that many people are armed nowadays. It would be wise to start thinking twice before threatening someone who you perceive as "disrespecting" you. I strongly feel like we need to start teaching this in school since the parents are apparently failing at it.

 

[HumblePie]

I have already commented I think Dunn was an idiot. For not calling the police as soon as he felt "safe" to do so. Big time idiot. Anyhow, this is the part of the evidence right now that make a huge impact in the case.

A 911 caller did tell police he saw the teens exit the red Durango shortly after the shots were fired, and then they circled the parking lot of a neighboring shopping center before returning to the gas station where help was called.

Absolutely no reason for "innocent" people who were randomly fired upon to do that when one of their friends is wounded and dying.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Sounds like another case of some thug(s) trying to intimidate an old man and getting more than they bargained for.


And Que; let it be a lesson the next time your temper flares, that many people are armed nowadays. It would be wise to start thinking twice before threatening someone who you perceive as "disrespecting" you. I strongly feel like we need to start teaching this in school since the parents are apparently failing at it.

Yep, and evidence so strong, that Dunn's bail was denied.

 

[QueBert]

I'm just trying to mentally put myself in that durango.... You're in a car with 3 friends, some old guy pulls up and completely randomly fires ~10 rounds into the car before zooming away. Why would I leave??? They clearly don't know where any hospital is located, and they are only gone a few minutes before returning to the scene. It seems logical that if they were "lost" or whatever they would pull over and call 911.... Not drive all the way back and act like they hadn't left.


The only reason for the durango & felon to leave is to ditch something, and turns out someone saw them point a shotgun out of the window. Coincidence? Rofl.... Again...... Jury of 12 and it only takes 1.

As long as that 1 isn't you or Spidey Dunn's toast.

And nobody saw them point a shotgun, a person who actually had a gun said they did in an attempt to save his ass. Since there's no evidence they had a weapon a trial's a waste of money. Throw his ass in jail and save the tax payers.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

As long as that 1 isn't you or Spidey Dunn's toast.

And nobody saw them point a shotgun, a person who actually had a gun said they did in an attempt to save his ass.

Rofl yea right... You think the defense aren't going to bring up the fact that these thugs left the scene where one of their crew members got shot? Bahaha... Dunn will walk, as he should, based on what we know.

Dunn is a total idiot, no doubt there. He definitely should've called the cops even though he didn't think he hit anyone. But, so far his story checks out.

If the felon and his crew hadn't left the scene I wouldn't feel so strongly about this.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

As long as that 1 isn't you or Spidey Dunn's toast.

And nobody saw them point a shotgun, a person who actually had a gun said they did in an attempt to save his ass. Since there's no evidence they had a weapon a trial's a waste of money. Throw his ass in jail and save the tax payers.

And to address your edit, no trial...? You've gotta be kidding....


There is absolutely evidence that they had a gun. There is no reason whatsoever for them to have left the scene like that unless they were ditching a gun.


Come on... Give us a logical reason for a car with a felon and his friends to leave the scene of a shooting and then return. I could see them leaving, trying to find a hospital, getting lost and calling 911 again... But to drive around then drive BACK to the scene? They're covering something up.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Yep, and evidence so strong, that Dunn's bail was denied.

Yeah not surprised there, they already know they're going to have a shitstorm when our other hero is let go and patted on the back, so they have to play by certain rules with this one.

I can understand bail being denied, but that's ok, this will all come out in trial.

 

[QueBert]

Rofl yea right... You think the defense aren't going to bring up the fact that these thugs left the scene where one of their crew members got shot? Bahaha... Dunn will walk, as he should, based on what we know.

Dunn is a total idiot, no doubt there. He definitely should've called the cops even though he didn't think he hit anyone. But, so far his story checks out.

If the felon and his crew hadn't left the scene I wouldn't feel so strongly about this.

And the prosecution will bring up how Dunn wasn't even going to report that he had shot up a car. Them leaving the scene could be understandable. They were just sitting there blasting music and some rap hating old white dude decided to silence them. I could see them panicking and not wanting to stick around out of fear they thought this guy might start shooting even more. So they left the scene out of fear and returned when they realized the police would undoubtedly show up.

He left the scene, drove 100+ miles and even the following day wasn't concerned about reporting what happened to the police. Him compared to the kids, he's waaaaay more thug then them.

 

[soundforbjt]

Why did Dunn leave the scene if he was just defending himself?

But, so far his story checks out.

What part of his story checks out?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

And the prosecution will bring up how Dunn wasn't even going to report that he had shot up a car. Them leaving the scene could be understandable. They were just sitting there blasting music and some rap hating old white dude decided to silence them. I could see them panicking and not wanting to stick around out of fear they thought this guy might start shooting even more. So they left the scene out of fear and returned when they realized the police would undoubtedly show up.

He left the scene, drove 100+ miles and even the following day wasn't concerned about reporting what happened to the police. Him compared to the kids, he's waaaaay more thug then them.

I believe the report said that Dunn left before the felon and his crew left, so your 'story' makes no sense.


Leaving the scene was stupid, but if he didn't think he hit anyone it isn't illegal in the great state of Florida.

 

[HumblePie]

Dunn claims he left the scene because he still felt threatened. If a shotgun was pointed at me and I fired back without knowing if I stopped the threat, I would flee as well.

He claimed he didn't contact the police right away because he felt he would be misrepresented since he was from out of town. I call a bit of bullshit on that, but it is a valid concern. Soon as he got home he should have been in contact with his police and lawyer at the very least. Then again, scared people do stupid shit and not calling is not illegal. It just makes a reasonable person wonder if he has something to hide or is just really that dumb. Being that dumb isn't a crime though.

What matters in this case is evidence to either verbal threats on his life being corroborated by evidence and if there is evidence leading to the alleged gun in possession by the teens.

Without corroborating evidence to the threats or the gun then Dunn is fucked even if his story is true.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Why did Dunn leave the scene if he was just defending himself?



What part of his story checks out?

I don't blame him for leaving, he just had a shotgun barrel pointed at his face and was forced to defend himself. At that point he had no idea if they were calling more crew members for backup or what.

It's the not calling the cops part that was stupid. Not illegal, but stupid.

Everything about this guy's story makes perfect sense. Unless you can come up with some great theory for why they left the scene and circled parking lots then it was obviously to ditch their shotgun and anything else illegal.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

IMO in front of a jury, the entire defense will revolve around why they left the scene. Like I said, I'd love to hear these thugs excuse for it.

 

[soundforbjt]

How would the teens know whether or not this maniac was coming back to shoot more? Maybe one of them panicked and screamed at the driver to leave, there's many explanations that are plausible.

 

[mugs]

IMO in front of a jury, the entire defense will revolve around why they left the scene. Like I said, I'd love to hear these thugs excuse for it.

Why? You've already judged them guilty. What difference does it make?

 

[HumblePie]

How would the teens know whether or not this maniac was coming back to shoot more? Maybe one of them panicked and screamed at the driver to leave, there's many explanations that are plausible.

Then why come back to the same spot exactly. They drove into the same place they parked and not just "nearby" or in the area. And then they tell police later they never left?

I went over "possibilities" in a previous post of mine of why they drove off. Driving off for them doesn't assume anything guilty by the teens either. Again, just like Dunn, it could have just been a completely bone headed thing to do. Also like Dunn's action of driving off, it puts suspicion into a reasonable person of their actions. It can show they drove off because they were intending to hide something, or that they acted like complete idiots in a crisis. The same argument for that action I used earlier for Dunn can be used for them.

 

[Capt Caveman]

IMO in front of a jury, the entire defense will revolve around why they left the scene. Like I said, I'd love to hear these thugs excuse for it.

When you're getting shot at by a crazy man, yes, let's stick around to see if he comes back! Same damn excuse you're using for Dunn leaving. Except, he kept on running and never even contacted the police.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

How would the teens know whether or not this maniac was coming back to shoot more? Maybe one of them panicked and screamed at the driver to leave, there's many explanations that are plausible.

Bahaha right.... They're so scared that they go circle a parking lot next door a few times........ Then returned to the scene where the supposed maniac was? Rofl... You can do better than this.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Why you're getting shot at by a crazy man, yes, let's stick around to see if he comes back! Same damn excuse you're using for Dunn leaving. Except, he kept on running and never even contacted the police.

Dunn not coming back shows he was terrified after having a shotgun pointed at his face. I wouldn't go back either.


I'm not criticizing the durango felon crew for leaving, I'm criticizing them for leaving, circling a parking lot, then returning to the scene of their crime.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Why? You've already judged them guilty. What difference does it make?

Based on what we currently know it's not enough to 'legally' say anybody is guilty. Not dunn and not the durango felon crew. That means dunn should walk free.

That being said, from a 'logical' perspective I cannot think of ANY reason for the durango felon crew to leave after dunn and his wife sped off, then go circle a parking lot next door, then return to the scene..... Other than that they were ditching the shotgun.

 

[soundforbjt]

Dunn not coming back shows he was terrified after having a shotgun pointed at his face. I wouldn't go back either.


I'm not criticizing the durango felon crew for leaving, I'm criticizing them for leaving, circling a parking lot, then returning to the scene of their crime.

Bottom line, there's 35 actual witnesses and 50 officers involved and NO SHOTGUN has been recovered nor was seen by ANYONE other than Dunn so far as we know at this time. Therefore, UNLESS the gun is found or is verified by a witness or video, Dunn is Done...

 

[Geosurface]

Anyhow, this is the part of the evidence right now that make a huge impact in the case.

A 911 caller did tell police he saw the teens exit the red Durango shortly after the shots were fired, and then they circled the parking lot of a neighboring shopping center before returning to the gas station where help was called.

Absolutely no reason for "innocent" people who were randomly fired upon to do that when one of their friends is wounded and dying.

If it was something where they just immediately peeled out of there it would be easier for me to chalk it up to terror at being fired at.

The problem with that is that Dunn drove off before they did anything, then they GET OUT of their truck, which nullifies any sort of kneejerk peeling out due to fear thing... then get BACK in the truck, drive off for a while, and then come back.

That's what makes it fishy to me.

You can no longer attribute it to fear of Dunn or instinctive fleeing because of the fact that they got out of the truck before getting back in, THEN driving off. IMO.

So, I'm being asked to believe that a middle aged business man decided to throw his life away, and possibly murder a car full of kids... because he didn't like their loud music and couldn't put up with it for another minute til his girlfriend got back to the car?

That doesn't seem very believable to me.

I think it makes a lot more sense that he had a REASON to shoot into that car.

That consideration combined with them driving off before coming back... makes me seriously entertain that his story may be true.

Common sense dictates, at the very least, that a car full of rap-blasting youths, one of whom is a felon, are not going to react politely to some old white boy asking them to turn their music down. Particularly if Dunn asked in a rude way, which I suspect he did.

I can EASILY see some verbal threats of violence flowing pretty freely at that point... the question is, was a gun flashed as well?

Again, the driving off makes this more believable.

Dunn really fucked himself by not calling cops... because if he had, the cops could have put two and two together that night with the witness(es) who saw the kids drive off, and apparently even saw WHERE they drove off to, and if he'd told them about the shotgun, the cops could have searched all the trashcans and storm drains and bushes in this "neighboring shopping center" that night before these kids or someone they knew could have a chance to come back and fish the shotgun back OUT of wherever it was thrown (if it was bushes or a trash can or something like that reasonably accessible) and taken it home.

I suspect Dunn is thoroughly boned regardless of what happened, because the last thing Florida wants is another case like this... they want to be seen to be punishing the evil, racist white man.

But maybe they could time it so that they only get one round of riots out of this and Zimmerman.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Bottom line, there's 35 actual witnesses and 50 officers involved and NO SHOTGUN has been recovered nor was seen by ANYONE other than Dunn so far as we know at this time. Therefore, UNLESS the gun is found or is verified by a witness or video, Dunn is Done...

Not at all....... The defense can easily show that there could've been a shotgun since the durango felon crew left the scene (after dunn left) then circled a parking lot next door. It's not even a stretch, and no it doesn't require any witness or video, or anything past what we already know.

 

[maziwanka]

You think they were bumping out to some classical violin and that's why they were asked to turn it down?

How often is extremely loud obnoxious music ANYTHING but dumbass gangster racist/violent crap?

you are such a fucking tool. because you don't like certain styles of music, it's dumbass gangster racist/violent crap? As if that would even add to any excuse for Dunn to fucking shoot a kid.

 

[spidey07]

Bottom line, there's 35 actual witnesses and 50 officers involved and NO SHOTGUN has been recovered nor was seen by ANYONE other than Dunn so far as we know at this time. Therefore, UNLESS the gun is found or is verified by a witness or video, Dunn is Done...

Nope.

If there were verbal threats to his life were made it's still a good shoot by law. There was also a clear disparity of force (4 against 1).

Verbal, believable, threats to life plus disparity of force = OK to shoot.