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Teen Gets 17 Years for Having Oral Sex
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apoppin
Lifer
Look up consensual in the dictionary. It means the 14 year old allowed oral sex performed on him. "Full knowledge" has nothing to do with it.
And if the 18 year old was retarded - as the article implys - the 14 year old might have initiated the sexual advances himself.
BUT THIS IS ALL SPECULATION AND COMPLETELY AWAY FROM THE REAL ISSUE: If the (retarded) 18 year old guy had oral sex with a 14 year old girl, he would get 1/10th the jail time instead of having it with the "wrong" sex. 😛
Found some links that might help shed some light on the case:
Copy of the Appellant Brief (Google Cache from washburnlaw.edu) (Don_Vito is this what you were looking for?)
Story about the appeal from the Topeka Capitol Journal
You will see in the brief that the sex act was consensual. At one point the "victim" asked Limon to stop and he did so.
l2c
Copy of the Appellant Brief (Google Cache from washburnlaw.edu) (Don_Vito is this what you were looking for?)
Story about the appeal from the Topeka Capitol Journal
You will see in the brief that the sex act was consensual. At one point the "victim" asked Limon to stop and he did so.
l2c
I liked that part too, Luv2. First katka tells me the article didn't say it was consentual and truns around and reads into it that manipulation was involved. Gotta love that manipulation. 😀
The appeal story from the Topeka Capital wag great. Said it all.
It's so profoundly sad to see the homophobia and bigotry we have here on ATOT and think about all the lives that are damaged by such total stupidity. But what can you do. Peoles love their bigotry more than the lives of others. You can't really hate them for it. It would only make you like them. So so so so sad.
The appeal story from the Topeka Capital wag great. Said it all.
It's so profoundly sad to see the homophobia and bigotry we have here on ATOT and think about all the lives that are damaged by such total stupidity. But what can you do. Peoles love their bigotry more than the lives of others. You can't really hate them for it. It would only make you like them. So so so so sad.
PistachioByAzul
Diamond Member
Dude. People have sex, get over it. It was consensual. 17yrs in the slammer won't help anybody.
I do have to say that I agree with Katka on this. When mentally challenged (notice I didn't say retards) people are involved, then there is no such thing as consensual. These people do not have the mental capacity to make choices on their own, that is why they were in a center for mentally disabled youth in the first place.
There is no way of telling, but I can almost guaruntee you that the 14 year old was "influenced" by the 18 year old. I have noticed that with people who are not as mentally sharp, that it is all in how you phrase the question. If you ask a senior citizen who isn't all with it anymore, "Do you want a cookie?", like it is a good thing, then they will probably say yes. But, if you ask "You don't want a cookie do you?", like it is something bad, they will commonly say no.
But on the other hand, the 18 year old not only shouldn't be in jail at all... period. He should be in a special center for mentally disabled people, cared for under close watch, and not given the oppurtunity to do this again. He should not recieve all of the freedoms of a regular citizen (by "law" he is a criminal after all), but he should under no circumstances be put in a regular prison.
The 14 year old might not have known what he was doing, but did you guys ever think of the fact that the 18 year old might not have know what he was doing either?
There is no way of telling, but I can almost guaruntee you that the 14 year old was "influenced" by the 18 year old. I have noticed that with people who are not as mentally sharp, that it is all in how you phrase the question. If you ask a senior citizen who isn't all with it anymore, "Do you want a cookie?", like it is a good thing, then they will probably say yes. But, if you ask "You don't want a cookie do you?", like it is something bad, they will commonly say no.
But on the other hand, the 18 year old not only shouldn't be in jail at all... period. He should be in a special center for mentally disabled people, cared for under close watch, and not given the oppurtunity to do this again. He should not recieve all of the freedoms of a regular citizen (by "law" he is a criminal after all), but he should under no circumstances be put in a regular prison.
The 14 year old might not have known what he was doing, but did you guys ever think of the fact that the 18 year old might not have know what he was doing either?
FelixDeCat
Lifer
Oh please. People kill people all the time. Capital punishment wont help anybody.
Goosemaster
Lifer
poor basards...the gays that is.
I am as far from a "fan" as you can get, but i still feel bad for them. Living your life in prsecution should be thing of the past.
I am as far from a "fan" as you can get, but i still feel bad for them. Living your life in prsecution should be thing of the past.
PistachioByAzul
Diamond Member
Capital punishment wont help anybody.
You're right.
You're right.
Lithium381
Lifer
Whew, nice!
A lot of laws suck.....we choose to live here in America.....deal with the laws of where you are....i mean we can vote to have them changed(or try) but other than that...you can move
Mustangrrl
Golden Member
LOL Just because someone is mentally challenged doesn't mean they're a slobbering idiot - there are varying levels of mental deficiency... we don't know at what age level each is functioning - they could be borderline (i.e. they might seem dumb, but no one would think of them as mentally handicapped per se).
And how does anyone here know that the 14 year old didn't pressure the 18 year old? How do we know the 14 year old has an IQ of say 70, and the 18 year old is only at 50 and he was duped or seduced into doing what he did? We don't. All we do know is that if one of these two had been female, the older person would have had a slap on the wrist, not spending a significant portion of their life in prison... that's really the only point of this whole thread, all the gay bashing and stupid jokes about prison are irrelevant (besides, most "gay" inmates are just gay for the stay, they have hetero relationships outside of prison).
What makes me ill is the discrepancy in the law based on sexual orientation or gender, not the gay aspect.
And how does anyone here know that the 14 year old didn't pressure the 18 year old? How do we know the 14 year old has an IQ of say 70, and the 18 year old is only at 50 and he was duped or seduced into doing what he did? We don't. All we do know is that if one of these two had been female, the older person would have had a slap on the wrist, not spending a significant portion of their life in prison... that's really the only point of this whole thread, all the gay bashing and stupid jokes about prison are irrelevant (besides, most "gay" inmates are just gay for the stay, they have hetero relationships outside of prison).
What makes me ill is the discrepancy in the law based on sexual orientation or gender, not the gay aspect.
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