Ted Cruz says I'm an American Citizen

[Markbnj]

Unless I am mistaken any child born to an American citizen is itself a citizen. Where's the controversy? I must not be spending enough time in P&N. Or any.

 

[sandorski]

Unless I am mistaken any child born to an American citizen is itself a citizen. Where's the controversy? I must not be spending enough time in P&N. Or any.

Shouldn't be one, but there certainly was one in regards to Obama. Hence why it gets discussed with Cruz.

 

[sandorski]

What if it turned out that Beiber was also a Natural Born American? 😱

Cbrunny v Beiber, who you gonna vote for now?

 

[Wreckem]

Unless I am mistaken any child born to an American citizen is itself a citizen. Where's the controversy? I must not be spending enough time in P&N. Or any.

Its a little bit more complicated. There are scenarios where US citizen's children are not US citizens because the US citizen didn't reside in the US for the minimum amount of time total(and time after the age of 14).

For example if you are a US citizen that was born abroad and never resided in the US your children are not US citizens.

 

[sdifox]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...dian-born-cruz-eligible-to-run-for-president/

Turns out that I'm an American citizen, same as Ted Cruz. He was born in Calgary, Alberta. I was born in Ontario. His mother is an American citizen by birth. My mother is an American citizen by birth. He says this makes him a natural-born citizen. So, that makes me also a natural-born citizen.

By virtue of this, I have just as much eligibility to be President of the United States as Ted Cruz does. Er, well, I would, if I were 35 and lived in the US for 14 years.

But I'm still a citizen!

so pay the US income tax.

 

[boomerang]

so pay the US income tax.

You know, that does raise a question. Under our Constitution, cbrunny is a U.S. citizen. As such, he is obligated to pay income tax on his earnings to the U.S. Now that would be unless we have some form of special agreement with Canada. Perhaps we do.

This has been all over the news and especially the last several years. It's usually brought up in conjunction with the quarterly release of the numbers of citizens that have relinquished their U.S. citizenship.

Edit: Just saw post #29 so maybe I'm off base.

 

[cbrunny]

lol, well technically speaking I'm not actually a citizen because I didn't claim it before I'm 18. I am only Canadian. Cruz claimed his citizenship before 18. I'd have to go through a naturalization process, even with my mother being American citizen, so I'm not actually a natural-born citizen. I could have been, but I'm not. You're all saved. I'd make a terrible President.

 

[Mike64]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...dian-born-cruz-eligible-to-run-for-president/

Turns out that I'm an American citizen ... My mother is an American citizen by birth. ... So, that makes me also a natural-born citizen.

You didn't already know that? The same thing's true in many, if not most, places, though some countries, like Greece before it joined the EU, may base it only on your father's status. (And in Israel, of course, you wouldn't be identified as "Jewish" unless your mother was or you converted, though you can be granted entry and citizenship with full voting rights but without full Jewish "identity", whatever exactly that counts for, based on your father's or even a grandparent's status as well.)

For US citizenship, if you were born outside the US (except on military bases and maybe embassy grounds), I did think your birth had to be registered with the Embassy or something, but I could be wrong, or maybe the rules have been changed...

[Edit: Oops, I see people beat me to mentioning the technicalities.]

 

[BoomerD]

Cruz was NOT born in the US of A, was NOT born to a family who was military serving in a foreign country, therefore he is NOT "native-born," no matter how much the conservatives want to consider him as such. He IS a US citizen...just not "native born."

However, if it comes down to it, the USSC will have to make the final decision...and they're heavily conservative-leaning, so he'll ultimately win the fight.

 

[Mike64]

As such, he is obligated to pay income tax on his earnings to the U.S. Now that would be unless we have some form of special agreement with Canada. Perhaps we do.

We might, but even if not, those complaints from expats/dual citizens are usually overblown, since much provision is made for deducting taxes paid abroad on income earned abroad. Unless you work directly for an American company overseas, or earn money on US investments, you probably won't end up actually owing anything. Still a pain, I suppose, to have to file, but considering the potential for scamming (which I believe used to be quite common), I'm not overly sympathetic...

 

[Blanky]

lol, well technically speaking I'm not actually a citizen because I didn't claim it before I'm 18. I am only Canadian. Cruz claimed his citizenship before 18. I'd have to go through a naturalization process, even with my mother being American citizen, so I'm not actually a natural-born citizen. I could have been, but I'm not. You're all saved. I'd make a terrible President.

I think you are wrong. I have seen no official uscis documentation that alludes to claiming this before 18, nothing in the n-600 that I recall.

http://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship/citizenship-through-parents

If your mom was a U.S. citizen who lived in the us for five years before age 14 or something like that you are one as well. I have researched the matter but cannot find clear direction on whether a person who does not use their citizenship still has to file us taxes or not. It is possible that technically you do need to file us taxes. Obviously you probably cannot be bothered if that is the case and I am not surprised given the scenario.

 

[DrPizza]

It doesn't matter. All his opponent has to do is wait until a few weeks before the election, and have someone dump "proof that Cruz was born in a foreign country! He shouldn't be eligible, but the rules were changed!" Such would not boost Cruz' ratings, but he'd probably drop a point or 3 due to the (unfortunately) large number of stupid voters.

 

[cbrunny]

Yeah I'm not filing. No one has ever stopped me at the border asking for back taxes. There is no warrant out for me. I'm good. Haha

 

[feralkid]

Dear Cruz: Go back to Canada along with Justin Bieber and Celine Dion.

Neil Young and Shatner can stay.

 

[sdifox]

You know, that does raise a question. Under our Constitution, cbrunny is a U.S. citizen. As such, he is obligated to pay income tax on his earnings to the U.S. Now that would be unless we have some form of special agreement with Canada. Perhaps we do.

This has been all over the news and especially the last several years. It's usually brought up in conjunction with the quarterly release of the numbers of citizens that have relinquished their U.S. citizenship.

Edit: Just saw post #29 so maybe I'm off base.

nope, Uncle Sam has gone the usual gunship diplomacy on this one. There are kids in Canada that were born to US parents in Canada that IRS is after for not filing tax return...

 

[sdifox]

http://mises.org/library/attack-accidental-americans

Its a little bit more complicated. There are scenarios where US citizen's children are not US citizens because the US citizen didn't reside in the US for the minimum amount of time total(and time after the age of 14).

For example if you are a US citizen that was born abroad and never resided in the US your children are not US citizens.

IRS is doing its best to expand its reach into other sovereign nations' banking system.

http://mises.org/library/attack-accidental-americans

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/u-s-fatca-tax-law-catches-unsuspecting-canadians-in-its-crosshairs-1.2493864

 

[boomerang]

It's beginning to sound more and more like cbrunny is a tax cheat.

 

[Lonyo]

nope, Uncle Sam has gone the usual gunship diplomacy on this one. There are kids in Canada that were born to US parents in Canada that IRS is after for not filing tax return...

There is a UK politician who has US citizenship due to being born in the US, but having never lived there as an adult.
The IRS wanted him for capital gains on the sale of his house.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertw...-arrest-londons-mayor-boris-johnson-pays-irs/
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...s-johnson-settles-u-s-tax-bill-ahead-of-visit
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...outrageous-tax-bill-imposed-born-America.html

Born in the US, left when he was 5, hasn't lived or worked in the US since.
Sells his primary home, which isn't taxable in the UK, and gets hit with an IRS demand for capital gains tax on the sale of said house.

So yes, the OP may indeed be a tax cheat and should be filing with the IRS if he is a citizen of the US.

 

[JTsyo]

Cruz was NOT born in the US of A, was NOT born to a family who was military serving in a foreign country, therefore he is NOT "native-born," no matter how much the conservatives want to consider him as such. He IS a US citizen...just not "native born."

However, if it comes down to it, the USSC will have to make the final decision...and they're heavily conservative-leaning, so he'll ultimately win the fight.

Congress says otherwise. The problem is that while the Constitution has the requirement for a natural born citizen, it doesn't define what a natural born citizen is. Right now the understanding is that if you were a citizen at birth, then you are eligible.

 

[sdifox]

Yeah I'm not filing. No one has ever stopped me at the border asking for back taxes. There is no warrant out for me. I'm good. Haha

dude you are getting a free ticket to Gitmo!

 

[cbrunny]

dude you are getting a free ticket to Gitmo!

?

 

[KeithTalent]

Hmm I just got my Nexus card, so I think that makes me a citizen of the United States of America now. :hmm:

KT

 

[Markbnj]

Its a little bit more complicated. There are scenarios where US citizen's children are not US citizens because the US citizen didn't reside in the US for the minimum amount of time total(and time after the age of 14).

For example if you are a US citizen that was born abroad and never resided in the US your children are not US citizens.

Interesting. I didn't know about that exception. Basically it prevents clusters of citizens being created overseas by one person who was born to a citizen but never resided in the U.S.

 

[KMFJD]

There is a UK politician who has US citizenship due to being born in the US, but having never lived there as an adult.
The IRS wanted him for capital gains on the sale of his house.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertw...-arrest-londons-mayor-boris-johnson-pays-irs/
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...s-johnson-settles-u-s-tax-bill-ahead-of-visit
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...outrageous-tax-bill-imposed-born-America.html

Born in the US, left when he was 5, hasn't lived or worked in the US since.
Sells his primary home, which isn't taxable in the UK, and gets hit with an IRS demand for capital gains tax on the sale of said house.

So yes, the OP may indeed be a tax cheat and should be filing with the IRS if he is a citizen of the US.

He did have a US passport....

 

[cbrunny]

fwiw, i don't have a US passport.