Techreport: A note on rumors about gtx 590 issues.

[Keysplayr]

Oh yes, we understand your position very well.

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[jimbo75]

If nVidia had spent the $2 million bribe to Crytek on better components, they wouldn't be in this PR disaster.

Take your pick of the company who bribes and spins or the one who just provides fast and solid graphics cards without all the bullshit.


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[Keysplayr]

If nVidia had spent the $2 million bribe to Crytek on better components, they wouldn't be in this PR disaster.

Take your pick of the company who bribes and spins or the one who just provides fast and solid graphics cards without all the bullshit.

@Notty: Is this what you meant?

 

[jimbo75]

How many of these cards will sell do you think? Very few. The sad thing is $2 million probably would have covered higher quality components and none of these card deaths would have occurred.

nVidia would rather spend it on bribe cash to hobble AMD cards on ONE game. What do you expect AMD fanboys to do when their plans go tits up? Yes it's true, we are LOVING it, long may it continue.


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[Genx87]

http://techreport.com/discussions.x/20677

A few key points addressed by them. Interesting read.

I really havent been following this too much. Mainly because if people run outside the spec, the chance it fails is there. But the video of sparks I dont quite know what is going on. If you look at the CPU fan it also stops. Are these guys fucking with the power source? If so, how would a driver fix that issue?


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[Aristotelian]

If your definition of "disturbing the system" means a little sanity introduced into the absolute explosion of FUD over the last week, then yes, I guess I am disturbing the system. You're right.

In bold above, I agree. Not all, just most of it. A driver that didn't have overvolt protection should not have been released even at the earliest stages. On that note I couldn't agree more.

How is 'a little sanity introduced' equal to 'dismissing any number of websites or forum users who report their 590s failing'? How is it FUD, to report the failure of a product?

How do you figure that most of the reported incidents of 590s failing are FUD? I'm speaking sincerely here. If I had my 580 explode on me and I posted on a forum and saw someone else saying "that's FUD" I think I'd be a bit outraged at the gall of someone to presume I'm lying, especially if I upload photos of the incident.

Regarding a lot of the posts, I agree that posts of the type "Nvidia better get their act together before they go bankrupt lolz" aren't exactly productive, but there'd be no grounds for those posts if the products weren't failing, right? The 580 is a solid product, customers have ample choice for customized versions (different cooling, attached water blocks, 3GB of memory) and so on, and all of them seem to run fast, have overclocking headroom (including overvolting, if EVGA forums are anything to judge by)... and so on.

The 590 doesn't have the same reception because, it seems to me, it just isn't as reliable. It's not as 'well built' a product. I'm not saying "because you can't overvolt the card it's not good", but it's just not the same "mass appeal" (in that price range) product that the 580 is, I guess. There is genuine disappointment in my post. Ahh well.

 

[Keysplayr]

I really havent been following this too much. Mainly because if people run outside the spec, the chance it fails is there. But the video of sparks I dont quite know what is going on. If you look at the CPU fan it also stops. Are these guys fucking with the power source? If so, how would a driver fix that issue?

The video that techreport is showing is from sweclockers.com. So far what I am getting is that they used 267.52 drivers (pre-press) and overvolted to 1.025 volts using MSI afterburner and it's built in Furmark stability checker. As we know, Furmark causes GPU's to draw much more power than usual, so this probably had an unprotected, undesired effect of smoking the card.
Read the rest of techreports comments below the video. They address each and every rumor point floating around the web.

 

[Keysplayr]

How is 'a little sanity introduced' equal to 'dismissing any number of websites or forum users who report their 590s failing'? How is it FUD, to report the failure of a product?

How do you figure that most of the reported incidents of 590s failing are FUD? I'm speaking sincerely here. If I had my 580 explode on me and I posted on a forum and saw someone else saying "that's FUD" I think I'd be a bit outraged at the gall of someone to presume I'm lying, especially if I upload photos of the incident.

Regarding a lot of the posts, I agree that posts of the type "Nvidia better get their act together before they go bankrupt lolz" aren't exactly productive, but there'd be no grounds for those posts if the products weren't failing, right? The 580 is a solid product, customers have ample choice for customized versions (different cooling, attached water blocks, 3GB of memory) and so on, and all of them seem to run fast, have overclocking headroom (including overvolting, if EVGA forums are anything to judge by)... and so on.

The 590 doesn't have the same reception because, it seems to me, it just isn't as reliable. It's not as 'well built' a product. I'm not saying "because you can't overvolt the card it's not good", but it's just not the same "mass appeal" (in that price range) product that the 580 is, I guess. There is genuine disappointment in my post. Ahh well.

Have you read the techreport article then? If so, what did you think?

 

[Pantalaimon]

The video that techreport is showing is from sweclockers.com. So far what I am getting is that they used 267.52 drivers (pre-press) and overvolted to 1.025 volts using MSI afterburner and it's built in Furmark stability checker. As we know, Furmark causes GPU's to draw much more power than usual, so this probably had an unprotected, undesired effect of smoking the card.
Read the rest of techreports comments below the video. They address each and every rumor point floating around the web.

You keep referring to the wrong drivers used. Why were the wrong drivers sent to AIBs, and included in the box. If NVIDIA knew that these wrong drivers are dangerous and can kill a card, how in hell, did it slipped though and got sent to the AIBs?

 

[Genx87]

The video that techreport is showing is from sweclockers.com. So far what I am getting is that they used 267.52 drivers (pre-press) and overvolted to 1.025 volts using MSI afterburner and it's built in Furmark stability checker. As we know, Furmark causes GPU's to draw much more power than usual, so this probably had an unprotected, undesired effect of smoking the card.
Read the rest of techreports comments below the video. They address each and every rumor point floating around the web.

I read it but to me the video shows these guys cutting the power then turning it back on and then the sparks fly. What I am wondering is what the hell are they doing with the power source? Is it possible they are spiking the power? Either way it appears they shut the system off and turn it back on. Drivers wont help in that situation.

 

[Grooveriding]

Yes, he must be lying I guess, he's only been a member there for 10 years. And posted earlier when he first got the 590, before it exploded.


http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1037042672&postcount=357

And then, Kaboom

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1037046423&postcount=170


Or maybe this guy, he was accused of lying too

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=18781867&postcount=140

http://i1222.photobucket.com/albums/dd499/mortis0302/DEAD GTX590/29032011018.jpg


And then this guy

http://translate.google.com/transla...ulletin/showpost.php?p=3960849&postcount=352'

Hmmm, same component burned up.



And the the 5 or 6 reviewers that had 590s blow up.....

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...9&postcount=37

Two cards dead for these reviewers
http://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=ro&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Flab501. ro%2Fplaci-video%2Fnvidia-geforce-gtx-590-studiu-de-overclocking%2F12

Two cards dead for these reviewers as well
http://www.sweclockers.com/artikel/...sweclockers-testlabb-drivrutin-boven-i-dramat

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/GeForce_GTX_590/27.html

http://tbreak.com/tech/2011/03/zotac-gtx-590-review/3/

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/825-2/dossier-nvidia-repond-amd-avec-geforce-gtx-590.html


Two different reviewers, both with two dead 590s, other reviewers with one dead 590. Nothing wrong here I guess.

No this must all be a big conspiracy, in fact, a global conspiracy with key players in the highest levels of government. If Mulder & Scully were here, they'd get to the bottom of this. Where would they start ? Amongst the forum denizens or in nvidia's engineering department. Only they know!

And to update this on the user with 10 years at hardforum who had an EVGA brand GTX 590 blow up

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1037047539&postcount=180

No overclock, he was not using the drivers in the box. Same scenario as the rest of the faulty 590s, the back PCB area burnt out.

He is doing the smart thing though and selling the RMA replacement he gets back from EVGA :thumbsup:

Smart man.

Hopefully nvidia does the right thing and issues a recall or releases a functional card to correct the issues with the 590.

 

[Keysplayr]

And to update this on the user with 10 years at hardforum who had an EVGA brand GTX 590 blow up

http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1037047539&postcount=180

No overclock, he was not using the drivers in the box. Same scenario as the rest of the faulty 590s, the back PCB area burnt out.

He is doing the smart thing though and selling the RMA replacement he gets back from EVGA :thumbsup:

Smart man.

Hopefully nvidia does the right thing and issues a recall or releases a functional card to correct the issues with the 590.

AthlonxXP quote: "The card was working like a champ at stock now"

Now? This implies it wasn't always running at stock and implies he might have overvolted/overclocked and we still do not have any details from him. And now he is Ninja editing his posts as well. So what do we believe then? What you want us to? What does 10 years mean? It means he's been a member there for 10 years. That's what it means.

 

[Kenmitch]

This is the second time you've posted this in this thread.

Thread-crapping is not acceptable. Neffing is not acceptable. Repeatedly posting the same off-topic post content is not acceptable.

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[Grooveriding]

AthlonxXP quote: "The card was working like a champ at stock now"

Now? This implies it wasn't always running at stock and implies he might have overvolted/overclocked and we still do not have any details from him. And now he is Ninja editing his posts as well. So what do we believe then? What you want us to? What does 10 years mean? It means he's been a member there for 10 years. That's what it means.

Wow, working overtime, eh ?

There are mounting reports of defective 590s and there's you and an editorial piece.

The card has issues, there is no need to go around accusing people of being liars. That's a lot of liars out there, they're all in cahoots I tell you! All of them!

It's a network of reviewers and end-users spread from Russia, Europe to North America. They're all lying! All of them!






The ad hominem personal attack is not acceptable.

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Wow, working overtime, eh ?

You have earned yourself a 7-day vacation for your persistent trolling of late.

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[Aristotelian]

Have you read the techreport article then? If so, what did you think?

I think that they tested one card, and that not every card is going to be a paperweight because of this issue, but that some are (something like the xps m1330 issue). Different conditions (case cooling, is one) with different users, different temperatures, different stresses on the card - the card seems to suffer in some situations and not in others, and in those situations where it suffers, it doesn't appear to me that everyone is abusing these cards (moreso than other models like the 580, which hasn't had any of this negative press as I said before).

 

[Keysplayr]

Wow, working overtime, eh ?

There are mounting reports of defective 590s and there's you and an editorial piece.

The card has issues, there is no need to go around accusing people of being liars. That's a lot of liars out there, they're all in cahoots I tell you! All of them!

It's a network of reviewers and end-users spread from Russia, Europe to North America. They're all lying! All of them!

Trying to show you that reasonable doubt exists. Unsuccessfully I'd imagine?

 

[insurgent]

These cards sure like to die, and even if they overclocked and overvolted the cards, when was the last time this many cards died just days after release? They put OCP in for these kind of situations I can't believe anyone would insinuate these guys burned their $700 cards to make Nvidia look bad.

590s are made for enthusiasts right? Enthusiasts don't buy cards so they can game quietly, they buy cards and push them. Really stupid to expect these users to just leave things at stock... really, is that what people expected?

edit:
I kinda sorry for these people, since they bought a really expensive card, and all of us in this community know and expect that they're going to overclock them. And now people call them stupid, or liars... how messed up is that?

 

[Grooveriding]

And according to you, the techreport article is an editorial opinion piece. You found nothing of value in it. Dismissed. In other words, you don't believe them. In a sense, you are calling them liars as well? Or does that not count? I dunno..

Logic one post above yours.

I think that they tested one card, and that not every card is going to be a paperweight because of this issue, but that some are (something like the xps m1330 issue). Different conditions (case cooling, is one) with different users, different temperatures, different stresses on the card - the card seems to suffer in some situations and not in others, and in those situations where it suffers, it doesn't appear to me that everyone is abusing these cards (moreso than other models like the 580, which hasn't had any of this negative press as I said before).

A good analogy for this is one another poster here used. It's much like the early release Xbox 360 and RROD 30% failure rates.

They didn't all fail, but enough were failing that it was an issue.

Now there does not look to be a 30% failure rate on the GTX 590, but when the 590 is just sent to reviewers and eight of them die in those reviewers hands....

Then in less than a week multiple end-users start having retail 590 cards fail on them....

Clearly there is an issue. You can call them liars or paint elaborate conspiracy theories. Or draw the logical conclusion that the GTX 590 has issues.

30% failure rate like the 360 had, probably not, but a significant failure rate ? Clearly. Whatever the actual failure rate number with the 590, it's clearly a fragile card, and that speaks for its self.

Again, hopefully nvidia makes good where Microsoft did not. Or they can go the Microsoft route and just quietly start releasing revised designs to correct the current GTX 590 issue.

 

[brandonb]

The 590's should be recalled, they are a fire hazard. I've seen Toyota recall for less.

 

[SlowSpyder]

So, at worst Nvidia has a defective product. At best Nvidia shipped another card-destroying driver.

Someone get JHH an aspirin.

 

[SirPauly]

and an editorial piece.

A piece that has some tangible data though and that's the key. Data and investigations are always welcomed in my mind-set from forums, reviewers and owners that investigate things first hand.

 

[96Firebird]

I've seen Toyota recall for less.

And I've seen them try to cover up recalls for much, much worse things.


Let's stay on-topic please folks.

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[bryanW1995]

nice article. It proves a few tin foil hat theories wrong. Too bad NV didn't ensure that they had proper drivers or, even better, a hard-wired cutoff. If they had done that they could have avoided all the bad PR that came from the launch and kept the conversation on the noise of 6990.

 

[Keysplayr]

nice article. It proves a few tin foil hat theories wrong. Too bad NV didn't ensure that they had proper drivers or, even better, a hard-wired cutoff. If they had done that they could have avoided all the bad PR that came from the launch and kept the conversation on the noise of 6990.

Good Post. I agree.

 

[dguy6789]

Who needs P&N when you have VC&G?


Let's stay on-topic please folks.

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