Tech Report: Nvidia, Asus put the clamps on GTX 590 voltage

[Genx87]

Stop downplaying the nvidia failures. The 590 is a big fat failure. It doesn't capture the video card crown as intended. And now you see why. Its not possible without taking a chance of killing the card.

Neither of these cards are compelling. One can grab a pair of lower end cards and get better performance for 100+ less.

One card cant overclock. The other is the second loudest card ever tested.

 

[3DVagabond]

Let's see, we have people saying that their 590 blew up and they are accused of a conspiracy because they can't prove it. We have people with video proof that their 590 blew up and it's a staged event for propaganda and to wrongfully discredit nVidia and their latest highend card.

 

[formulav8]

Sorry to upset you, but you understand the author of article this thread is about, brought up the Sweden video tape.

Let me quote it for you, so you can read it again. :

So that sweden site was the only people/reviewer/owner/buyer known to have a 590 fail on them?

 

[PingviN]

Sorry to upset you, but you understand the author of article this thread is about, brought up the Sweden video tape.

Let me quote it for you, so you can read it again. :

And you understand that the author in question is misinformed? His "well-placed source" is a joke. The tone set in your earlier post was not called for. Try humility, you might like it.

 

[busydude]

"well-placed source"

 

[bryanW1995]

For $700 I would like my enthusiast graphics card to be a bit more flexible and a bit more robust in it's design. I have a hard time understanding why anyone would buy a GTX590 over a 6990 (at least until the non-reference cards come out).

Water cooled evga 590 is $879 right now, I'd get something like that if I was in that market and a strong green-teamer. Most people looking to spend this much on graphics cards will probably lean more towards 6990 atm I would think, however.

 

[AnandThenMan]

The chatter from the Nvidia apologists is simply unbelievable. The GTX590 is a dud, get over it, it happens.

 

[bryanW1995]

The best part is that if nV suspects the 2nd card was intentional, they will probably not be getting any more review cards.

Then they can merge with Charlie and create a Super-nV hate site!

I don't think it matters much. They'll be lucky to ever get anything other than a lump of coal from NV in the future.

 

[SirPauly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usGkq7tAhfc&feature=player_embedded

 

[OCGuy]

The chatter from the Nvidia apologists is simply unbelievable. The GTX590 is a dud, get over it, it happens.

Is 6970 a dud because it cant beat a 580? The multi-GPU market is a niche.

How many people could tell the difference between a 6990 and a 590 if they were sat in front of two different systems and had to guess which was using which?

The goal-posts were moved several times, it isn't surprising that people would find something to complain about.

First the 580 could never happen.

Then the x2 could never happen.

Then the x2 did happen, but it is a faliure because you shouldnt over-volt it.


The truth is, only a handful of people will own either card, but they are getting the most ink right now. This is because talking about 6790s and 560s isnt sexy, and we really are stuck until late fall/winter with this same card line-up.

 

[AnandThenMan]

...and more excuses. Nice work.

 

[badb0y]

LOL the 6970 doesn't cost 500$, are you mad?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Not everybody over-volts.

One of my buddies just picked up 2 6990s, and wouldn't dream of hitting the bios switch.

I agree, and I understand that. But the option is there with the 6990 should someone have a change of heart. Even if you have absolutely zero intention of ever touching the voltage or overclocking at all, what is the advantage of the GTX590 over a 6990? The failures make it seem like a $700 gamble.

The fact that Nvidia is capping the voltage versus AMD which actually has a switch built in to the card that bumps the voltage and clockspeed makes me think that one card is poorly designed and stretched to it's limits while the other is a sturdy well designed part.

 

[OCGuy]

LOL the 6970 doesn't cost 500$, are you mad?

It can't cost $500, the performance doesn't merit it.

 

[OCGuy]

Even if you have absolutely zero intention of ever touching the voltage or overclocking at all, what is the advantage of the GTX590 over a 6990? The failures make it seem like a $700 gamble.

Not more of a gamble than any other card. Warranty will cover it if something happens. You can't say the same thing with the 6990 switch except with XFX (which is why they are sold on on newegg whenever I look, I take it)

The fact that Nvidia is capping the voltage versus AMD which actually has a switch built in to the card that bumps the voltage and clockspeed makes me think that one card is poorly designed and stretched to it's limits while the other is a sturdy well designed part.

Poorly designed for it's specifications? No. Stretched to it's limits? I'm with ya there.

 

[badb0y]

So what you talking about? How is a 6970 a dud it's priced accordingly to it performance, I think you need to calm down buddy and think with a clear mind.

 

[OCGuy]

So what you talking about? How is a 6970 a dud it's priced accordingly to it performance, I think you need to calm down buddy and think with a clear mind.

I don't think the 6970 is a dud. Re-read the last few posts.

 

[Jionix]

Is 6970 a dud because it cant beat a 580? The multi-GPU market is a niche.

If the 6970 was 499 and couldn't beat the 580, then you can sure as hell bet that people would have dragged it over the coals.

The goal-posts were moved several times, it isn't surprising that people would find something to complain about.

First the 580 could never happen.

Then the x2 could never happen.

Then the x2 did happen, but it is a faliure because you shouldnt over-volt it.

Let's be realistic here. The dual 580 *barely* happened, and the truth is, it probably shouldn't have happened. The release has been so badly handled that it's definitely not been a positive for Nvidia --- You have to wonder why the hell did Nvidia go through with this debacle? All for the crown of single card performance? I guess Jealously does make people do crazy things.

 

[Phynaz]

Well this thread got derailed quickly enough.

Any chance we can get back on topic again?

 

[badb0y]

I don't think the 6970 is a dud. Re-read the last few posts.

It's time to stop beating around the bush.

I think the GTX 590 is a good card but I beleive the the AMD 6990 is a better choice between the two. I am just going to agree to disagree. Atleast we have competition this time around .

 

[Genx87]

Let's be realistic here. The dual 580 *barely* happened, and the truth is, it probably shouldn't have happened. The release has been so badly handled that it's definitely not been a positive for Nvidia --- You have to wonder why the hell did Nvidia go through with this debacle? All for the crown of single card performance? I guess Jealously does make people do crazy things.

It is marketing. You own the halo product and it filters down the pipe. It isnt a jealously thing lmao. Nvidia wants to sell video cards(surprise). Owning the halo crown for single card performance helps them do this.

The dual 580 happened. I wouldnt say "barely" unless you have some insider information we dont. It doesnt overclock well. The market will dictate its price point form here on out. I suspect soon enough it will cost less than the 6990 to warrant its performance. There is a sizeable gap between the 580 and 590\6990 it can still fill.

 

[Skurge]

Not more of a gamble than any other card. Warranty will cover it if something happens. You can't say the same thing with the 6990 switch except with XFX (which is why they are sold on on newegg whenever I look, I take it)



Poorly designed for it's specifications? No. Stretched to it's limits? I'm with ya there.

Add sapphire and powercolor I think to that list of warranty covered 6990 AUSUMs.

Besides the reason the 6990 doesn't have warranty coverage for the AUSUM (dumb name) switch is cause PSUs and Cases might not be able to handle the added power demands and heat, not cause the card can't handle it. Iv seen 6990 do 950-1000mhz on the stock cooler with upped voltage.

That makes me think 2 things. Well built card that can withstand some OCing if I choose to, if it can't will be just become unstable, not fail.

The other thing is that It will probably have a decent lifespan at stock. With the 590 so close to the limit, I can't be sure. And for $700 I shouldn't have those kinds of doubts in my mind.

 

[OCGuy]

The dual 580 happened. I wouldnt say "barely" unless you have some insider information we dont. It doesnt overclock well. The market will dictate its price point form here on out. I suspect soon enough it will cost less than the 6990 to warrant its performance. There is a sizeable gap between the 580 and 590\6990 it can still fill.

Judging by how few have been available, I don't think the supply is big enough to meet any sort of demand. Even with bad press due to the over-volting, I think they will still sell every one they make. I just don't see that many being made, regardless.

That being said, you are right. The market will dictate the price. If there is a sudden inventory glut of 590s due to them being a "dud" and nobody wanting them, you will see downward price pressure on it and the whole 5XX series, which will put downward pressure on the AMD counter-parts.

 

[Jionix]

The dual 580 happened. I wouldnt say "barely" unless you have some insider information we dont.

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I would say "barely" happened because even gutted, the 590 is so over power budget that Nvidia took to power limiting steps in drivers, and even then, the 590 still pulls more power then a 6990, even when it's in "Ausum" mode.

Any logical engineer would have pulled the plug on this, but maybe the geniuses in marketing and/or product management delusions kept the 590 alive, even as it teetered over the edge of practicality.

 

[SirPauly]

Atleast we have competition this time around .

That's the way I look at it. AMD has compelling strengths that some may consider and nVidia has some differentiation that may be appealing to some.