[TECH Report] As the second turns: the web digests our game testing methods

[SirPauly]

You must be new around here, because these tactics were used by nVidia trolls first. Sure, both sides use them now, but not always. I guess you forgot about the nVida 7800 GTX shimmering issue? Trollo making light of it, etc... Like I said, you must be new around here, or perhaps you are just trolling yourself.

I remember and why I gamed with ATI at that time. Quality, while moving is very important and goes beyond brand to me.

 

[Ferzerp]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=1822635&highlight=7800+gtx+shimmering

Yep, no double standards here. nVidia never takes shortcuts... Wait, delete that link!

A 6 year old thread? Really?

 

[Final8ty]

Which lends a helping hand to attacking posters and hardly the issue at hand.

Yes it can be used in that way but that's down to both parties involved, if someone is being a hypocrite and showing double standards it should not be overlooked for fear of argument and it is certainly not trying to say it ok because the other manufacture did it as well as 2 wrongs don't make a right.

Justification by bring up issues of others as an excuse as being ok is normally used to justify ones own wrong doing.

 

[SirPauly]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=1822635&highlight=7800+gtx+shimmering

Yep, no double standards here. nVidia never takes shortcuts... Wait, delete that link!

Imho,

nVidia certainly has made mistakes , very aggressive optimizations and hopefully has learned from the long and winding road of the past!

 

[f1sherman]

7800 vs x1800, and even before that...
It had been pretty well established back then that ATI has had a better image IQ.
And that NV has been caught with their hands in cookie jar more than once.

But they've wowed never to do it again.
And the only NV recent cheat that I am aware of is Trilinear Filtering even when Bilinear is demanded.

Cheat for better IQ/lower fps. Quick someone call the police!

 

[Imouto]

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=1822635&highlight=7800+gtx+shimmering

Yep, no double standards here. nVidia never takes shortcuts... Wait, delete that link!

It's so fan to read Keys in that thread.

 

[Final8ty]

Anyway we can't fix the past so lets move on.

 

[BrightCandle]

No amount of historical threads with misbehaviour in the past excuse the last years behaviour, none of it. Just because someone else was bad does not mean you have an excuse to be. Take responsibility like an adult, apologise and let's try to move on in the future with less flames and more objective data and methods. Its not OK to try and flame stuff down without evidence and volume of inane posts, it just isn't.

In all honesty I fear p&n and its current insults are OK attitude has negatively impacted the hardware discussions. Its become OK to taunt and abuse each other, and that is not OK. Calling someone a fanboi is an insult, plain and simple and it should be reported. It needs to stop. You can be sure I will be hitting report with great frequency as the signal to noise ratio needs to dramatically improve.

AMD need to fix this issue and when they do you can be sure I will test it and confirm or otherwise. I suspect the whole darn world will do so, its clearly a major blow to AMDs reputation on driver quality again. I will still test it myself because too few sites even noticed. I expect more constructive discussion in the future.

To anyone that owns a 7000 series card and did not notice a problem: you are both lucky not to perceive a problem and cursed because your opinion on frame rate is basically worthless.

 

[blastingcap]

Right. Now all we need to see is if they do what they say and if the fix has any effect on the performance or the fps reported. It is very good that AMD acknowledged this problem.

Yeah unlike ignoring *ahem* bumpy situations.

Come on, be fair.

 

[ArchAngel777]

To anyone that owns a 7000 series card and did not notice a problem: you are both lucky not to perceive a problem and cursed because your opinion on frame rate is basically worthless.

This is one asinine statement.

With that said, this is a huge issue. I am glad AMD was able to confirm and is working towards a fix. I also pay respect to Tech Report. They found something and reported it and is going to eventually benefit all users of HD 7000 series when AMD releases a fix. I just hope the fix is sooner rather than later.

 

[Leadbox]

In their blind testing, Nordic Hardware concluded they could not tell the difference which makes some of the hyperbole on here just that, hyperbole

 

[lavaheadache]

It's so fan to read Keys in that thread.

lol, WHat I have learned recently around here is that what people said in the past is irrelevant and means nothing. Even when it is in complete contradiction.


Thanks for finding that thread, btw

 

[Imouto]

In their blind testing, Nordic Hardware concluded they could not tell the difference which makes some of the hyperbole on here just that, hyperbole

"At the same time this community has a terrible habit of making mountains out of molehills"
Ryan Smith AT reviewer.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34333817&postcount=35

AT forums daily life. I hope AMD launchs their 8k series soon or we will run out of troops to get this war going on.

 

[Keysplayr]

It's so fan to read Keys in that thread.

Fun to read you to.

Yeah unlike ignoring *ahem* bumpy situations.

Come on, be fair.

There aren't any bumpy situations going on right now, is there? I thought I was being fair. At least fairer than someone bringing up a years old issue? Perhaps? :hmm:

This is one asinine statement.

With that said, this is a huge issue. I am glad AMD was able to confirm and is working towards a fix. I also pay respect to Tech Report. They found something and reported it and is going to eventually benefit all users of HD 7000 series when AMD releases a fix. I just hope the fix is sooner rather than later.

I think that is quite enough from you today ArchAngel. So far there have been "idiots" and people who are "assinine". What is your deal? Let the name calling end here please.

 

[Keysplayr]

dbl post

 

[Keysplayr]

n/m

 

[BrightCandle]

"At the same time this community has a terrible habit of making mountains out of molehills"
Ryan Smith AT reviewer.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34333817&postcount=35

AT forums daily life. I hope AMD launchs their 8k series soon or we will run out of troops to get this war going on.

Its the reason why I called Ryan out specifically. He said the tools weren't good enough, that assertion has now been proved false. He decided not to test it because Anandtech didn't see the problem. That just means he is another individual who does not perceive microstutter, his opinion on the matter is frankly worthless. If you don't see it today then your contribution to whether its there or not is clearly of no use to anyone who does. I can't say that enough today because its been night and day for a year for me that there was a problem on AMDs 7970, single and especially on dual cards.

The only analogy I can give is that some people are happy at 15 fps minimums. I do not find that acceptable, I doubt many of you would either. But if your tolerance for low frame rate goes down that far that is great for you. But your opinion on acceptable frame rate for others is useless.

Just stop. Its done, its the truth, its out and no amount of further rubbish will change that fact. Its a very real problem, that real people see.

 

[Elfear]

In their blind testing, Nordic Hardware concluded they could not tell the difference which makes some of the hyperbole on here just that, hyperbole

According to some posters, Nordic Hardware's opinion is now worthless. I guess all those other sites who never noticed a problem (including Anandtech) are now worthless opinions... :hmm:

 

[Keysplayr]

According to some posters, Nordic Hardware's opinion is now worthless. I guess all those other sites who never noticed a problem (including Anandtech) are now worthless opinions... :hmm:

Well, obviously there is because AMD themselves have acknowledged it. Doesn't say much for Nordic Hardware now.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Fun to read you to.



There aren't any bumpy situations going on right now, is there? I thought I was being fair. At least fairer than someone bringing up a years old issue? Perhaps? :hmm:



I think that is quite enough from you today ArchAngel. So far there have been "idiots" and people who are "assinine". What is your deal? Let the name calling end here please.

Who did I call Asinine? Thats right, you won't find it. Thanks for playing Keys. Some people never change. How is your buddy Rollo doing?

 

[Imouto]

I see elephants and other stuff flying in the sky every day and I'd like some officer shooting them down but for some reason only my drinking pals and me can see them.

Now I can shout all I want everywhere I go and the police promised me to shoot those bastards down so I'm quite happy.

If only those spiders wouldn't ride up my arms from time to time. Dunno if I should go and see a doctor or start shouting again.

 

[Hitman928]

Its the reason why I called Ryan out specifically. He said the tools weren't good enough, that assertion has now been proved false. He decided not to test it because Anandtech didn't see the problem. That just means he is another individual who does not perceive microstutter, his opinion on the matter is frankly worthless.

Please show me how what Ryan said in that thread has proven to be false.

 

[ArchAngel777]

Well, obviously there is because AMD themselves have acknowledged it. Doesn't say much for Nordic Hardware now.

Well, you can't see shimmering, so what does that say about you?

From Keys:
Ackmed, you know as well as I do that any annoyance derived from shimmering for any particular person, is relative to that particular person. The only person you can speak for is yourself of course. There are a whole lot of other people who probably have worse shimmering than you do, and don't even notice it. The only "fact" you provide here is that you are annoyed by your vid cards shimmering. "Badly" is also relative to the person using the word to describe it.

When you say "badly" it makes it sound like its a bad thing. When in reality, it is hardly noticable unless you're looking for it.

So shimmering isn't a bad thing to Keys. I wonder why he doesn't feel the same way about frame-rate? Frankly, I question any opinion of keys just based on this. It shows he can't care less about IQ.

 

[KingFatty]

In their blind testing, Nordic Hardware concluded they could not tell the difference which makes some of the hyperbole on here just that, hyperbole

If AMD releases a fix, would you say the fix would cause a noticeable difference in how the AMD performance appears?

Would that noticeable difference change the results of blind testing between AMD and NVidia?

Has NVidia said if they are going to do a parallel fix to make sure there is not noticeable difference between the two?

 

[SirPauly]

I thought Nordic Hardware's investigation was solid and welcomed:

http://www.nordichardware.se/Grafik...rostuttering-och-ojamn-prestanda.html#content