Teacher shortage, now a pilot shortage

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Right wingers like to repeat this lie, it's not just "worthless" degrees that are incurring crippling debt. Out of the people I know I know a couple pharmacists, and engineer and a lawyer who are still paying off their loans and will be for a long time.

Yep. The pharmacy students my wife precepts are going to be pushing $150,000-$200k in loans when they are done. At pretty lucrative rates and paying $1500-$2500 a month on them. That's more than most mortgages. Sure you may make $145k a year when you are out...but good luck having any expendable income. My wife graduated in 2004 with her PharmD and still had over 90k in loans and that was even with me working full time and she wasn't maxing out loans. She's been paying almost $400 a month for hers and that was locked in at a ridiculously low 2.25% interest. 20 years later, she still owes almost 50k.

 

[Gardener]

I fullfilled my contract with "Uncle Sam" which stated that I work for him for 20 years and I would receive 10 years of retainer pay at 50% of my working pay rate, then I would move to the retired roles at the same 50% pay rate for the rest of my life.

I was also smart enough to then work for a company that has a defined benefit pension plan. They also have a 401K plan that the match 75 cents on the dollar up to 10%.

Sorry but that is called planning ahead.

I may have it pretty good now, but raising a family on military pay back in the 70s and 80's wasn't an easy time.

I'm 60, boomer. Any idiot could make it when we were young. Times have changed.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'm 60, boomer. Any idiot could make it when we were young. Times have changed.

no way, it’s not 1970?

 

[MrSquished]

no way, it’s not 1970?

lol seriously

And most conservatives want to dial the clock back to the early 1900's.

 

[pcgeek11]

lol seriously

And most conservatives want to dial the clock back to the early 1900's.

No they don't.

 

[MrSquished]

No they don't.

Well they wave confederate flags, they are racist as fuck, they want to treat women like pregnancy vehicles, they hate anything socialist - government spending on anything besides the military. They want to move before the times of government infrastructure, regulating the environment, public education, social security, they vote for those trying to also destroy Medicare.

Conservatives are shit people.

 

[brycejones]

No they don't.

Yes they do.

 

[pcgeek11]

Well they wave confederate flags, they are racist as fuck, they want to treat women like pregnancy vehicles, they hate anything socialist - government spending on anything besides the military. They want to move before the times of government infrastructure, regulating the environment, public education, social security, they vote for those trying to also destroy Medicare.

Conservatives are shit people.

Painting with a pretty broad brush. 🙄

 

[ch33zw1z]

No they don't.

ignorant as usual

 

[ch33zw1z]

Painting with a pretty broad brush. 🙄

cool, you voted with them, twice.

 

[evident]

Yup. You have to get indebt to your eyeballs before you can get your first real job at a regional carrier. It then pays like shit, with terrible hours, and you'll be assigned to an extremely high cost of living hub. Then after 10-20 years, you finally get to move up to mainline, where you will fly right seat for years, while getting the worst hours and worst routes. But by the time you hit 50, you start making stupid money.

I'm pro-union, but I think pilot's unions have really tipped the scales towards the old guys and really hurt the next generation in doing so.

Flight training has also gotten insanely more expensive over the years. At some point airlines will have to start subsidizing pilot training if they actually want pilots.

I once took a helicopter tour over hawaii and thought "wow it would be cool to be a helicopter pilot. What would it take to get a license?" I looked at the hour requirements, cost out of pocket and was like theres no way in hell anyone can afford this unless you come from a rich family, have friends that can get you hours on a helicopter or have military experience.

 

[evident]

Painting with a pretty broad brush. 🙄

he's not wrong

 

[gothuevos]

Didn't he use the word "liberate" in regards to MI and then subsequently a bunch of dudes tried to violently abduct the governor?

I'm sure many of these same teachers will still vote for him, because you know, gas prices and such.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1551005728009322499

 

[MrSquished]

Painting with a pretty broad brush. 🙄

Not at all. The majority of conservative politicians, this is what they want. This is who conservatives vote for. Until they vote for other people and then I will be correct. Conservatives are mostly shit people.

 

[esquared]

Didn't he use the word "liberate" in regards to MI and then subsequently a bunch of dudes tried to violently abduct the governor?

I'm sure many of these same teachers will still vote for him, because you know, gas prices and such.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1551005728009322499

Ha ha ha ha. Orange menace should be one to talk about an education.

Former Wharton Professor: "Donald Trump Was the Dumbest Goddam Student I Ever Had."

Former Wharton Professor: "Donald Trump Was the Dumbest Goddam Student I Ever Had."

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www.dailykos.com

 

[Puffnstuff]

I'll be okay until they get to an under shortage but then again it depends. 😛

 

[Gardener]

perceived labor shortage = easily fixed with increase pay

Last Spring I was in MI there signs all over offering $14/hr for manufacturing jobs, and the companies complaining that "no one wants to work". Well pay a living wage and you'll find workers.

By comparison in 1982 working in a factory I made $8/hr. Tuition at the private college I attended was $4k/year. Classmates bought homes in Grand Rapids for 25-30k, using their loans as a downpayment. I graduated with $5k in debt, with a BS in biology (and a fine liberal arts education).

Same school, Calvin University, is now $40k/year.

Over 40 years, tuition and housing prices rose 10x, while wages doubled. That's what harder than we ever had it by a long shot @pcgeek11

 

[Fenixgoon]

perceived labor shortage = easily fixed with increase pay

Last Spring I was in MI there signs all over offering $14/hr for manufacturing jobs, and the companies complaining that "no one wants to work". Well pay a living wage and you'll find workers.

By comparison in 1982 working in a factory I made $8/hr. Tuition at the private college I attended was $4k/year. Classmates bought homes in Grand Rapids for 25-30k, using their loans as a downpayment. I graduated with $5k in debt, with a BS in biology (and a fine liberal arts education).

Same school, Calvin University, is now $40k/year.

Over 40 years, tuition and housing prices rose 10x, while wages doubled. That's what harder than we ever had it by a long shot @pcgeek11

We've tried nothing and we're all out ideas, man! /Simpsons

It amazes me that employers can't wrap their heads around a labor shortage. Improve your wages and benefits until there isn't a shortage. It's that simple.
The trucking industry has constant and massive turnover because the working conditions are so terrible.
I still see trailers advertising 52-55c/mile driven - I imagine they are horribly outdated at this point. For 55k a year (median income), that's 100k miles driven. At 60mph, that's 1667 hours driving. Just driving - not including loading, unloading, waiting, traffic jams, port backups, etc. So let's say the average real speed is 30mph - now you're working 3333hrs (or, ~63hr weeks) just to make median income.
Maybe, pay your drivers more, maybe, don't pay per mile, and maybe, don't treat them like shit.

 

[Juiblex]

Why are we having shortages?

Did we have shortages before COVID?

Could it have something to do with:

But per usual liberal nonsense: Its republicans, trump, white people, etc etc etc... Stupid fucks.

 

[brycejones]

Maybe, pay your drivers more, maybe, don't pay per mile, and maybe, don't treat them like shit.

That sounds like a communism, we can't commit a communism. If workers aren't getting screwed over how is capitalism supposed to work?

 

[JD50]

Why are we having shortages?

Did we have shortages before COVID?

Could it have something to do with:

But per usual liberal nonsense: Its republicans, trump, white people, etc etc etc... Stupid fucks.

Can someone translate this? The shortage is because of.... masks?

 

[brycejones]

Why are we having shortages?

Did we have shortages before COVID?

Could it have something to do with:

But per usual liberal nonsense: Its republicans, trump, white people, etc etc etc... Stupid fucks.

Did you freebase infowars?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Why are we having shortages?

Did we have shortages before COVID?

Could it have something to do with:

But per usual liberal nonsense: Its republicans, trump, white people, etc etc etc... Stupid fucks.

the party of personal responsibility strikes again

 

[iRONic]

Why are we having shortages?

Did we have shortages before COVID?

Could it have something to do with:

But per usual liberal nonsense: Its republicans, trump, white people, etc etc etc... Stupid fucks.

Drunk, stoned and stupid isn’t the way to go through life. Seek help, it’s very accessible.

 

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Drunk, stoned and stupid isn’t the way to go through life. Seek help, it’s very accessible.

Not as accessible as it should be. Thanks Republicans.