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brycejones said:
Says the guy who suckles on Uncle Sam and a defined benefit pension plan that has been all but removed from private industry in America. Seriously congrats for you but you're not one to really talk about hard times either.
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I fullfilled my contract with "Uncle Sam" which stated that I work for him for 20 years and I would receive 10 years of retainer pay at 50% of my working pay rate, then I would move to the retired roles at the same 50% pay rate for the rest of my life.

I was also smart enough to then work for a company that has a defined benefit pension plan. They also have a 401K plan that the match 75 cents on the dollar up to 10%.

Sorry but that is called planning ahead.

I may have it pretty good now, but raising a family on military pay back in the 70s and 80's wasn't an easy time.
 
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SteveGrabowski said:
LOL boomer not thinking 2008 was hard times when a bunch of millennials with crushing student debt entered a hugely depressed job market thanks to criminals on Wall Street.
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LOL

Millennials entering into crushing student debts for worthless degrees, without any solid plan to pay it back.

The crooks on Wall Street are a different subject.
 
pcgeek11 said:
I fullfilled my contract with "Uncle Sam" which stated that I work for him for 20 years and I would receive 10 years of retainer pay at 50% of my working pay rate, then I would move to the retired roles at the same 50% pay rate for the rest of my life.

I was also smart enough to then work for a company that has a defined benefit pension plan. They also have a 401K plan that the match 75 cents on the dollar up to 10%.

Sorry but that is called planning ahead.

I may have it pretty good now, but raising a family on military pay back in the 70s and 80's wasn't an easy time.
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I'm glad we agree that you don't really have the experience necessary for you to be able to properly determine the accuracy of your signature..
 
sandorski said:
Education is never worthless. People have explained ad nauseum why Student Debt of recent times is nothing like what it used to be.
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I know a girl that ran up well over 200K in college debt for an Art degree and a Political Science degree. Suffering for it now.


I didn't say an education was worthless. Many degrees are worthless however.

Edit: It was over 100k not 200k.
 
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pcgeek11 said:
I know a girl that ran up well over 200K in college debt for an Art degree and a Political Science degree. Suffering for it now.


I didn't say an education was worthless. Many degrees are worthless however.
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So your single anecdote is representative of the experience of an demographic bracket? That's now how statistical data analysis and interpretation actually works.
 
Fenixgoon said:
So your single anecdote is representative of the experience of an demographic bracket? That's now how statistical data analysis and interpretation actually works.
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If you were to actually read you would see that was in response to a specific post about "Education is never worthless." by Sandorski.
You shouldn't try and change the narrative.

Her degrees were and still are worthless as she is not in either field and still paying for it decades later... She is not alone in this issue by a long shot.
 
pcgeek11 said:
I know a girl that ran up well over 200K in college debt for an Art degree and a Political Science degree. Suffering for it now.


I didn't say an education was worthless. Many degrees are worthless however.
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$200k is a ridiculous Cost. That is the only problem here. Art and PoliSci education benefits society in many ways. Don't view the World through an Accountants eyes. It blinds you to other important things.
 
pcgeek11 said:
Her degrees were and still are worthless as she is not in either field and still paying for it decades later... She is not alone in this issue by a long shot.
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Would an art degree or political science degree cost $200k during your college years? I don't think so, even taking into account dollars then vs now.

Cost of education has become much more expensive than it used to be.
 
sandorski said:
$200k is a ridiculous Cost. That is the only problem here. Art and PoliSci education benefits society in many ways. Don't view the World through an Accountants eyes. It blinds you to other important things.
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I agree that 200K is insane and stupid. She had to go to some university in Spain and then here back in the US and then back to Spain again. Probably included all of her living expenses in it too.

Even if it was only the average of about 30 - 32K it would be a waste and useless in her case. And she isn't alone by far:

www.bloomberg.com

Most U.S. College Grads Don’t Work in the Field They Studied, Survey Finds

A quarter of grads over the age of 25 make less than $35,000 a year, with many close to the poverty level.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com

"Here’s a statistic that may give some pause: More than half of college graduates over the age of 25 don’t work in their field of study, according to a new survey from Intelligent.com.

The survey also found that 25% of respondents earn less than $30,000 a year, while approximately one out of seven earned less than $15,000 per year."
 
thilanliyan said:
Would an art degree or political science degree cost $200k during your college years? I don't think so, even taking into account dollars then vs now.

Cost of education has become much more expensive than it used to be.
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As I said she was stupid. That is the point here.

I had no college years. I'm a heathen that aquired my advanced education in the Navy as a Nuclear Missile technician on Submarines and OJT.
 
pcgeek11 said:
As I said she was stupid. That is the point here.

I had no college years. I'm a heathen that aquired my advanced education in the Navy as a Nuclear Missile technician on Submarines and OJT.
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Not everyone needs a college education, but it helps society when a good amount of people have one. Just not at the insane costs now.
 
pcgeek11 said:
www.bloomberg.com

Most U.S. College Grads Don’t Work in the Field They Studied, Survey Finds

A quarter of grads over the age of 25 make less than $35,000 a year, with many close to the poverty level.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com

"Here’s a statistic that may give some pause: More than half of college graduates over the age of 25 don’t work in their field of study, according to a new survey from Intelligent.com.

The survey also found that 25% of respondents earn less than $30,000 a year, while approximately one out of seven earned less than $15,000 per year."
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Why are the respondents not working in their field of study? Could they not find employment? Were employers' requirements ridiculous for an entry level position? Did the respondents not find the work interesting or meaningful?

That data isn't useless, but it's very superficial. Without asking and examining *why* things are the way they are, there's only so much that you can take away from the survey.
 
pcgeek11 said:
I agree that 200K is insane and stupid. She had to go to some university in Spain and then here back in the US and then back to Spain again. Probably included all of her living expenses in it too.

Even if it was only the average of about 30 - 32K it would be a waste and useless in her case. And she isn't alone by far:

www.bloomberg.com

Most U.S. College Grads Don’t Work in the Field They Studied, Survey Finds

A quarter of grads over the age of 25 make less than $35,000 a year, with many close to the poverty level.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com

"Here’s a statistic that may give some pause: More than half of college graduates over the age of 25 don’t work in their field of study, according to a new survey from Intelligent.com.

The survey also found that 25% of respondents earn less than $30,000 a year, while approximately one out of seven earned less than $15,000 per year."
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University/College Grads have usually been preferred for Hiring, regardless of their Major.
 
pcgeek11 said:
LOL

Millennials entering into crushing student debts for worthless degrees, without any solid plan to pay it back.

The crooks on Wall Street are a different subject.
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Right wingers like to repeat this lie, it's not just "worthless" degrees that are incurring crippling debt. Out of the people I know I know a couple pharmacists, and engineer and a lawyer who are still paying off their loans and will be for a long time.
 
pcgeek11 said:
www.bloomberg.com

Most U.S. College Grads Don’t Work in the Field They Studied, Survey Finds

A quarter of grads over the age of 25 make less than $35,000 a year, with many close to the poverty level.
www.bloomberg.com www.bloomberg.com

"Here’s a statistic that may give some pause: More than half of college graduates over the age of 25 don’t work in their field of study, according to a new survey from Intelligent.com.
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That isn't shocking at all. College should be teaching you how to learn if you're doing it right. My boss (our CTO) trained as an architect and did it for a few years before deciding to change paths and go into IT. My degree isn't in what I do either. I know other people who got degrees in fields and then decided the actual work in the real world was soul crushing for them so they moved on to something else and built successful careers.
 
MrSquished said:
I thought the free market was supposed to solve everything



Mayor Pete has a good solution, except shitty Republicans will call it socialism, or whatever their ignorant base eats up that day

www.businessinsider.com

Pete Buttigieg says airlines can't 'keep the Baby Boomer generation in the cockpit indefinitely' to prevent a pilot labor shortage

Pete Buttigieg says airlines need a 'new generation of qualified pilots' to counteract a possible labor shortage caused by Baby Boomers retiring.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com
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Thing of it is, the primary recruitment source for the airlines was the military. These days, you can make more money doing traffic/news/media reports, than what they're willing to pay.

UNCjigga said:
Only gonna get worse as the Air Force transitions to drones over the next 30 years.
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Fuck the drones. If I went back, I would rather fly for Con Air (US Marshals Federal Transport) than Delta or American.

At least I know my passengers have been severely vetted. 😀
 
pcgeek11 said:
As I said she was stupid. That is the point here.

I had no college years. I'm a heathen that aquired my advanced education in the Navy as a Nuclear Missile technician on Submarines and OJT.
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My point was not that she was stupid or not (in this case I don't think it was smart of her to rack up that much debt for those degrees).

And I wasn't implying you went to college, maybe my wording could have been better.

I was saying that during "your college years" (when you were 18-25 or so) would her same degrees have cost $200k (even adjusted for inflation)? I doubt it. Education costs especially in North America have gone through the roof. Just in my college time (early 2000s), tuition doubled from my 1st year to my 4th year, with seemingly no change in the level of education. IMO, the education system in North America is being run like a business unfortunately, which it really shouldn't. It means that more and more, it's the wealthy that can afford to go to college. Loads of countries around the world (even 3rd world countries) have free or extremely cheap university/college. That's how it should be done...if 3rd world countries can give free/cheap education, why can't 1st world countries like US/Canada?
 
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