Teacher pulls chair out from under student?

[DJFuji]

What if he chose not to even be there? Say this kid states that he shouldn't have to even be in the classroom for the pledge or national anthem so he decides to stay outside with his buddies for another 5 minutes. Should we also allow that?

The student pulling the "i dont believe in that" card is like when minorities pull the race card as an excuse to why they can't accomplish something. It's a classic red herring argument. The topic at hand is the student being disruptive to the classroom and attempting to rebel against authority. By using the "these are my rights" argument, he is diverting attention away from his original intent and garnering the support of activists believing his rights are being taken away. Isn't freedom of speech also taken away in school when teachers tell the class to be quiet? What if a student is expressing his political opinions? Shouldn't he be allowed to do so without censorship from the teacher?

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
rather than use physical force to enforce an arbitrary symbolic gesture of "respect" for something that is in that child's rights to not respect, the teacher (whose job is to TEACH, not bully) would have been far better served by explaining to the child WHY he might consider respecting the flag, and then let him draw his own conclusions and act upon them accordingly. you can't just say, "you have to do this because we say so," and expect that to result in a profound respect for anything other than authoritarian muscle.

 

[MrCodeDude]

Originally posted by: Nik
Good for the teacher. The nation's youth gets more and more complacent, apathetic, chaotic, and disrespectful every day. :|

I agree fully. You live in this country, you stand for the Pledge.

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: Taejin

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
rather than use physical force to enforce an arbitrary symbolic gesture of "respect" for something that is in that child's rights to not respect, the teacher (whose job is to TEACH, not bully) would have been far better served by explaining to the child WHY he might consider respecting the flag, and then let him draw his own conclusions and act upon them accordingly. you can't just say, "you have to do this because we say so," and expect that to result in a profound respect for anything other than authoritarian muscle.

the military begs to differ.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: MrCodeDude

Originally posted by: Nik
Good for the teacher. The nation's youth gets more and more complacent, apathetic, chaotic, and disrespectful every day. :|

I agree fully. You live in this country, you stand for the Pledge.

What else, you speak English? Support G.W. Christ? Don't question the government?

 

[aplefka]

The kid was trying to be a fvcking punk, he deserved it. Something my friends and I would do.

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: MrCodeDude

Originally posted by: Nik
Good for the teacher. The nation's youth gets more and more complacent, apathetic, chaotic, and disrespectful every day. :|

I agree fully. You live in this country, you stand for the Pledge.

What else, you speak English? Support G.W. Christ? Don't question the government?

Actually, yes. English is the official language and i'm tired of having tax dollars spent on making EVERYTHING bi-lingual. If you live here, speak the damned language. I'm surprised stop signs don't say stop in spanish too, just in case.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: DJFuji
Actually, yes. English is the official language

Incorrectamundo. link, link.
English may be the de-facto, majority, "standard" language, but it is far from being the official one.

Originally posted by: DJFuji
I'm surprised stop signs don't say stop in spanish too, just in case.

It might certainly cut down on the traffic "incidents" where I live. It's like immigrants have never seen a "rotary" in their lives? "Yield" sign? "Stop" sign? "Turn only" lanes? Wtf. How did they pass their driver's test in the first place?
From US English, a pro-official-English advocacy group (founded by a non-English immigrant, even):

U.S.ENGLISH believes that the passage of English as the official language will help to expand opportunities for immigrants to learn and speak English, the single greatest empowering tool that immigrants must have to succeed.

 

[DJFuji]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: DJFuji
Actually, yes. English is the official language

Incorrectamundo. link, link.
English may be the de-facto, majority, "standard" language, but it is far from being the official one.

Originally posted by: DJFuji
I'm surprised stop signs don't say stop in spanish too, just in case.

It might certainly cut down on the traffic "incidents" where I live. It's like immigrants have never seen a "rotary" in their lives? "Yield" sign? "Stop" sign? "Turn only" lanes? Wtf. How did they pass their driver's test in the first place?
From US English, a pro-official-English advocacy group (founded by a non-English immigrant, even):

U.S.ENGLISH believes that the passage of English as the official language will help to expand opportunities for immigrants to learn and speak English, the single greatest empowering tool that immigrants must have to succeed.

You got me there. You know what i meant though. =)

Oh and the illegal immigrants, they got their drivers license in CA, of course, after they passed that silly law! 😉

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: DJFuji
Oh and the illegal immigrants, they got their drivers license in CA, of course, after they passed that silly law! 😉

Well, I was talking about the opposite side of the country, but we almost passed a similar law here too.