'Teacher of the Year' gets pink slip amid budget cuts

[spacejamz]

Also to put this in perspective to how bad things are for this district. This same school district as part of the budget cuts has also eliminated all after school activity, from band, sports, drama, and even year book. Imagine a school year with no high school football team, or a senior year without being able to get a year book.

And how much does California spend for free health care, welfare and education for illegals? Wouldn't this money be better spent on teachers and the children of tax paying citizens?

This is what happens when you start to run out of other people's money....

 

[Ninjahedge]

Here in Nevada not only did a Teacher of the Year get a pink slip due to union seniority, but the union refused to give up their pay and benefit increases. She didn't have to lose her job...

So in order to save one teacher you are asking for all the teachers to take a pay cut in a profession that is notoriously underpaid for its education and experience?

What would stop the admin from firing someone in the future to leverage Union negotiations?

 

[Ninjahedge]

You really built yourself an ideal view of the world. Let me clue you in to how most business work. The dead weight gets cut first. Not the guy at the low or high end of the totem pole.

No, it doesn't.

If "dead weight" is always cut first, how can we STILL be so unproductive, when compared to other nations like Germany and Japan (yikes!) even in a recession?

The higher up you go on th eladder, the less chnce there is of you being let go, no matter how "dead" you are.

That said crying foul at unions in this instance is perfectly valid. Union rules dictated a teach of the year be fired for nothing other than her lack of senority.

No, they didn't. Again, you are passing the buck.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Also to put this in perspective to how bad things are for this district. This same school district as part of the budget cuts has also eliminated all after school activity, from band, sports, drama, and even year book. Imagine a school year with no high school football team, or a senior year without being able to get a year book.

Union's fault.

If they had teachers with masters degrees and 10+ years of experience all working for $40K/yr then the kids could have all the extra curricular they wanted.

But NO, they demand market value for their services.

The nerve!

 

[Sonikku]

Only when we disband the unions will Americans stop kicking around the job creators. Job creators are trying to sprinkle prosperity on us all, but all these damn peasants are trying to muck it all up to suit their own greed. 🙁

 

[Ninjahedge]

And how much does California spend for free health care, welfare and education for illegals? Wouldn't this money be better spent on teachers and the children of tax paying citizens?

This is what happens when you start to run out of other people's money....

Red herring.

 

[DCal430]

So in order to save one teacher you are asking for all the teachers to take a pay cut in a profession that is notoriously underpaid for its education and experience?

What would stop the admin from firing someone in the future to leverage Union negotiations?

Teachers are NOT underpaid, at least not in California.

 

[Ninjahedge]

They are.

They are everywhere. Cali may have it better, but I am being serious about the pay scale for the level of education REQUIRED to do this.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Only when we disband the unions will Americans stop kicking around the job creators. Job creators are trying to sprinkle prosperity on us all, but all these damn peasants are trying to muck it all up to suit their own greed. 🙁

YEAH!

I mean, when all of these unions are gone, these job creators will make many mre jobs and increase the pay for all of us!

I mean, look at the Coal Miners! They actually went to the expense of buying them canaries on the corporate dollar!!!



😉

 

[Infohawk]

None of those factors involves the teacher's union.

Nonsense. A significant part of the education budget goes directly to teacher pensions. Senior teachers are basically putting their outdated benefits not only over kids' education, but over younger teachers livelihood as a whole. It's the same thing with other public sector unions. Would you rather have 50 cops with giant pensions or 100 cops with 401K + social security which is what pretty much all Americans have?

 

[Ausm]

Democrats?

You had a 50/50 chance to get it right and you still fucked it up 🙁 I was expected better results from one of my most favorite posters on this P&N forum. I really don't know how I am going to carry on. 🙁

 

[Ausm]

Wrong as usual. It's very relevant why she got laid off. You claim that Republicans should be happy a good teacher got laid off. That is completely incorrect. The reason Republicans dislike unions is because they cause good teachers like this one to get laid. Republicans are unhappy about this result.

She got laid off because of the union. You support unions. Therefore it is YOU who should be happy she got laid off, because it's unions doing what they do best, protecting mediocrity.

Completely thread backfire. You continue to find new ways to fail.

Umm I don't think so, of course you have the right to your opinion tho.

 

[spacejamz]

Red herring.

So you are saying that the millions of tax dollars that the CA government has chosen to spend on illegals could not be used for teacher's salaries or funding after school activities?

 

[DCal430]

Union's fault.

If they had teachers with masters degrees and 10+ years of experience all working for $40K/yr then the kids could have all the extra curricular they wanted.

But NO, they demand market value for their services.

The nerve!

Teacher with 10+ year experience and a master degree would be making around 60K in a poorer school district and in a higher end one they would be making around 100K a year with 80K being the average.

 

[Ausm]

And you have credible evidence supporting your feelings?

I have asked him that question SEVERAL times in the past with absolutely no results to show for it. The same thing is also true for 90% of the rabid Rightists on this forum.

 

[Sonikku]

YEAH!

I mean, when all of these unions are gone, these job creators will make many mre jobs and increase the pay for all of us!

I mean, look at the Coal Miners! They actually went to the expense of buying them canaries on the corporate dollar!!!



😉

Finally someone gets it. All these damn employees leeching off the company for their own selfish well being. Then they get black lung and shit and start thinking the company "owes" them for health care expenses! They SHOULD be grateful the company gave them a job to support their family in the first place, not trying to tear the business down with their exorbitant health care costs. If they just ignored such ailments, went back to work and let nature take it's course they could lower the costs of the health care company plan to other employees without being a leech.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Nonsense. A significant part of the education budget goes directly to teacher pensions. Senior teachers are basically putting their outdated benefits not only over kids' education, but over younger teachers livelihood as a whole. It's the same thing with other public sector unions. Would you rather have 50 cops with giant pensions or 100 cops with 401K + social security which is what pretty much all Americans have?

You mean the pensions they signed on for 30 years ago and are now expecting what they were promised?

THE NERVE!


BTW, do some research. Having family in the teaching biz has gotten me info. They have reduced the percentages on the pensions significantly, and increased the years for scalaing the % given for years of service.

The thing you need to look at are public officials that get a "minor" job for 20 years (I believe there was one restaurant owner that got something like "Garbage Pail Approver") at $2K per year, then for two years they get "promoted" to "Distract Whachapathinger" at $80K. They are then compensated as if they worked 22 years at $80K. They pretty much take out ALL of what they contributed to the fund in 22 years in less than a year.

There was an example of the "Golden Parachute" at my own HS, where the school districts superintendent got a 20% raise for the last two years in his job. It ended up that that boosted his (large) pension up to about where it would have been if he just kept working at the previous salary.

Politics.

 

[Ausm]

Finally someone gets it. All these damn employees leeching off the company for their own selfish well being. Then they get black lung and shit and start thinking the company "owes" them for health care expenses! They SHOULD be grateful the company gave them a job to support their family in the first place, not trying to tear the business down with their exorbitant health care costs. If they just ignored such ailments, went back to work and let nature take it's course they could lower the costs of the health care company plan to other employees without being a leech.

Can you share some of your stash please?

 

[Ninjahedge]

So you are saying that the millions of tax dollars that the CA government has chosen to spend on illegals could not be used for teacher's salaries or funding after school activities?

Nope.

You are though, and that is not what the issue is.

There are other ways to solve that. What you are doing is saying that if Cali spent less money on, say, roadway maintenance, then the schools would have the money to keep the teachers.

While the immigration issue is a problem, it is not so directly causally related to the teacher situation.

 

[Genx87]

And you have credible evidence supporting your feelings?

You think a law that dictates senority based hiring\firing practices, tenure, and other teachers benefits didnt have the hands of the teachers union involved in its crafting? If you can find us proof the teachers union had nothing to do with creating legislation that addressed their members needs, feel free to let us see it.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Can you share some of your stash please?

NO!!!!


that coal dust is HIS dammit!


Now if you would please put away that lighter......

 

[michal1980]

You mean the pensions they signed on for 30 years ago and are now expecting what they were promised?

THE NERVE!


BTW, do some research. Having family in the teaching biz has gotten me info. They have reduced the percentages on the pensions significantly, and increased the years for scalaing the % given for years of service.

The thing you need to look at are public officials that get a "minor" job for 20 years (I believe there was one restaurant owner that got something like "Garbage Pail Approver") at $2K per year, then for two years they get "promoted" to "Distract Whachapathinger" at $80K. They are then compensated as if they worked 22 years at $80K. They pretty much take out ALL of what they contributed to the fund in 22 years in less than a year.

There was an example of the "Golden Parachute" at my own HS, where the school districts superintendent got a 20% raise for the last two years in his job. It ended up that that boosted his (large) pension up to about where it would have been if he just kept working at the previous salary.

Politics.

happens with teachers too where I live. Your pension is based on ~3 of your highest paid years.. So you get close to retirement, get an esay admin job, boost your pension 20-30% easily.

 

[DCal430]

Even a teacher here in California with only a B.A degree starts out on average making 50K a year.

 

[Ausm]

NO!!!!


that coal dust is HIS dammit!


Now if you would please put away that lighter......

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[Genx87]

Interesting. My experience is more mixed, with seniority often playing some role, though usually not the only role except during mass layoffs ... and except in government where Civil Service regulations specify seniority be used. More to the point, however, is that I challenged your assertion that it's the dead weight that gets cut first. It sometimes works that way. It more often does not, with corporate politics playing a far more significant role.

At least that's how I've seen it work. It is only anecdotal. YMMV.

Our experiences differ then. Senority and politics happen. But when it came time for cutting it was amazing how cut throat it can get from my experience. Dead weight is usually what gets cut. The only time senority played a major or sole role in firing is when I worked for a fortune 250 manufacturer. The union manufacturing workers were let go based on senority.