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Teacher In Sudan Held Over Teddy Bear Named Mohammed
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palehorse
Lifer
My "paranoia of Muslims"?!
I'm not that guy.
Anyone who has ever read my comments on Islam knows that I see the minority of violent fanatics for just that, a minority. I have NEVER been the guy preaching hatred or anger toward all Muslims.
Feralkid posted one link, from Jewish Weekly, and it's enough for me to stop laughing at you.. for now.
palehorse
Lifer
It's not "hot crow," because I still think it's a tenuous stretch, at best. All I wanted to see was Narmer back up his bullsh1t claims for a change.
Since you did it for him, I'm still honoring my pledge to stop laughing at Narmer. But that could also be because I'm headed off to bed, and my wife frowns upon me making a lot of noise when I crawl in beside her! 😀
Oh, now we're worried about semantics:laugh:? You guys are a joke. The guy most likely has Jewish ancestry and he's railing against Jews. The same is true of Al Qaeda's spokesman from California and the same is true for Hitler. Face it, there are some Jews out there that just don't like other Jews:laugh:.
Hot crow, indeed, for that fake intel freak.
EDIT: My job in this thread is done.
So let me add commentary that actually reflects the original article. I read it this morning on BBC and thought "you have to be SHITTING ME".
Narmar you are WAY off the mark right here.
First of all - Muhammed is, was, and has always been a very common name. Its popularity is even greater because of Prophet Mohammed who carried the same name. That said we should remember that there are MILLIONS of people named Mohammed, and probably god knows how many that have carried this name. I can say without hesitation that atleast SOME of them had to be unsavory characters - should they have been killed and staked at the post for disrespecting a name which they should have carried on. The name itself, as a name, should hold absolutely NO status as an "honored" name. It is simply a name. That said someone can use the name as a name, or in reference to the prophet which carried that name. Which one do you reallly think applies in this situation?
Furthermore - this teacher had NO idea and was COMPLETELY innocent of anything, assuming anything can be pinned on her. If anything - twenty out of the twenty three children should be punished for collectively VOTING that the bear be given the name. If anything they need to face punishment.
Narmar you should remember God is all forgiving and all merciful. For those who are truly sorry for their actions will always receive the forgiveness of God. Of course if you do wrong over and over...you never really felt sorry.
That said...
we could also wake up and realize that everyone is freaking out that children named a Teddy bear after a name that they all liked.
In any case if the lady gets jail time, I highly suggest her 20 accomplices be tossed in jail as well.
Narmar you are WAY off the mark right here.
First of all - Muhammed is, was, and has always been a very common name. Its popularity is even greater because of Prophet Mohammed who carried the same name. That said we should remember that there are MILLIONS of people named Mohammed, and probably god knows how many that have carried this name. I can say without hesitation that atleast SOME of them had to be unsavory characters - should they have been killed and staked at the post for disrespecting a name which they should have carried on. The name itself, as a name, should hold absolutely NO status as an "honored" name. It is simply a name. That said someone can use the name as a name, or in reference to the prophet which carried that name. Which one do you reallly think applies in this situation?
Furthermore - this teacher had NO idea and was COMPLETELY innocent of anything, assuming anything can be pinned on her. If anything - twenty out of the twenty three children should be punished for collectively VOTING that the bear be given the name. If anything they need to face punishment.
Narmar you should remember God is all forgiving and all merciful. For those who are truly sorry for their actions will always receive the forgiveness of God. Of course if you do wrong over and over...you never really felt sorry.
That said...
we could also wake up and realize that everyone is freaking out that children named a Teddy bear after a name that they all liked.
In any case if the lady gets jail time, I highly suggest her 20 accomplices be tossed in jail as well.
I'm not casting judgement on her at ALL. I'm saying this shouldn't be an issue in the first place.
And IMO - she shouldn't be. God will not punish those who never heard the message of Islam and they have their own judgement. That itself is a huge sign screaming at us "I won't punish those who really don't know"...we should try to emulate God's actions than be obsessed with our desire for punishment.
And as always - if for some (stupid reason might I add) reason she is convicted and found guilty....if she is truly Sorry, there is no reason she should be punished.
It reminds me of a Hadith. I think it was Bukhairi - generally (I don't remember the story anyways but the message is clear) - there was a man, who, committed adultery. He went to the prohet and the prophet asked him if he was sure it happened and he said yes. He asked the man if he was forced to, and he said no. He asked the man if he was intoxicated at the time and he said no. Then he said "hmm...are you gong to accept the punishment?" Anyways apparantly the guy left and he did something like told the authorities and he was killed for what he did. When Prophet Mohammed found out he said, "What a pity...I was so sure he could have repented for his actions"
You have a situation where someone deliberately engaged in a forbidden action that is looked down HEAVILY within Islam...yet the Prophet still thought that forgiveness could easily have been given (something which completly agrees with what the Quran says)
Now look at a situation where the "transgression" is not knowing that a Teddy Bear should not have been named "Mohammed"....
I would completely disagree that "She must pay" in this instance...
Ill give you that - but even assuming that the law is valid, this is the most ridiculous application of it.
And indeed let the courts decide, but I'm going to root for her vindication. This can be filed under the shelves of stupid cases - such as jailing a reporters for writing an op-ed against the Muhammed cartoons (he had reprinted them so he could refer to them clearly in his editorial talkign about how ridiculous it was).
Then if these people want Islamic laws they better get used to people bringing Islam into the equation, and thus I would see no reason why religion CAN'T be brought into this debate.
I think what I'm trying to get are these three points:
a) Its a stupid application of the law.
b) She should not be punished because the actions are 100% innocent without any desire to create a problem
c) According to the Quran if she truly feels sorry for her actions she should be 100% free to go and NOT undergo a punishment
As far as I can tell for you - you simply want the law upheld, regardless of the merit of the law.
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