Tasered for a Speeding Ticket??

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Heaven forbid that a cop should have to listen to someone who feels he is getting an unfair ticket.

Would it have killed the cop to let the man have his say and then see if he would sign the ticket? He must have been in a hurry to get to his coffee and doughnut break.

listen if you watch the video he had his child in the car.


What does that tell you?

It tells me that the cop was a total asshole because he had his mind made up to arrest the guy, nevermend that he had a kid and wife with him..... and then he tasers him in front of them. If he were a local cop around here and something like that happened I can guarantee he wouldn't be emplyed in this town/county any longer.

That person OBVIOUSLY does not have the right stuff to be a cop.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Heaven forbid that a cop should have to listen to someone who feels he is getting an unfair ticket.

Would it have killed the cop to let the man have his say and then see if he would sign the ticket? He must have been in a hurry to get to his coffee and doughnut break.

I kinda agree, maybe if the cop would have let the guy talk, then rationally explained to him that signing the ticket was not admitting to wrong-doing, and not a confession. Then told him the consequences of not signing the ticket.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Twenty years ago, that person would have been kicked, beat up with fists, flash lights, clubs, and\or shot.

I worked in a surgical unit when I was in college and I went to a goodbye party for one of the nurses. Three or four of the nurses were married to police. The cops spend the evening laughing about beating people up.

It was creepy to hear the way the cops were talking about it. After that party I decided I would avoid socializing with police.

I'll tell you another funny one...

There is a local cafe here in New Orleans called the Trolley Stop which is on St Charles Ave. and is a local hangout for a lot of the local police.

One of the K-9 cops was in there one day telling a story which I overheard about him having to chase a crackhead who had just beaten up a woman and stole her purse and jewelry into the St. Thomas housing project.

Now first of all if you know anything about St. Thomas back in the day you would know that it makes Fallujah look like Sesame Street. Rapes, gunshots, muggings, and the like are a nightly occurance and are the norm in that area.

So he has to chase this crackhead into a building and winds up chasing him into a bedroom with no windows and only a closet. He yells at the guy to come out and he doesn't. He yells again giving him one last chance, but he doesn't come out.

So the cop opens the closet door lets the dog in and closes the door back and lets the melee insue until the guy decides he's ready to come out.


All this time I was chuckling while I overheard the story and thought it was quite hilarious and I was getting the mental image of the whole scenario.

Then it dawned on me that this cop has to put up with this bullshit for under 40,000 dollars a year..........

No, I can not say that I would have found it partlicularly funny if a cop sicced his dog on me. But it would help you get a differenent POV if you spent some up close and personal time with a police dog.

I do not care if the cop made five dollars a year, I can not justify his actions.

 

[SketchMaster]

IMHO, I think that man was doing every thing he could to piss off the cop.

He argued with the cop, when he got out of the car he started walking to the driver side of the cruiser, he basically told the cop to piss off while he had a taser pointed at him and while he was walking towards his car his right hand looked like it was going into his pocket.

Did the cop get a bit trigger happy? Sure. Was it unjustified? Not really, Ive seen footage that was pretty much the same only the man ended up pulling a knife/gun out of his pocket.

 

[Deudalus]

Originally posted by: senseamp
If the guy had a gun and shot the cop back, and I was on the jury, I would have voted to acquit.

But you are also voting for Hillary so we assume stupidity from you before you even open your mouth.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: senseamp
If the guy had a gun and shot the cop back, and I was on the jury, I would have voted to acquit.

moron...it's kinda hard to shoot a cop when he shot you with a tazer and you are on the ground pissing your pants, nice try though.

 

[ericlp]

Well, I am for the cop on this one... First of all it's a measly 80 - 150 dollar ticket. The cop is risking his life standing out on the side of the highway. I am sure if it was you risking your life for a stupid piece of paper, or dealing with the public you might get a bit irked as well. So, you tell the dude to step out of the car, so you can take him down town so he can sigh the frigen ticket........ Now this ass hole is walking back to his car!!! No way...... If a cop tells you to stop you better frigen stop... He didn't bam! Bam! Bam! Should of been billy clubbed... This guy was just asking for it... And he got it... Now if this were a low traffic country roads still unsafe but safer then a major freeway ... Maybe he could have played around a bit more...

That guy was cruising for bruis'en... Then the idiot started demanding that he be read his rights. Hahaha What a fool.... It's things like this that I see... and POOR cry baby americans are SOOO SOFT!!!! Then they wonder why over a 40K cars get jacked every year and you come out from shopping and your cars gone? We pat the offenders on the back.... Treat em real good in prison ... make sure they can get an education, make sure they get a shower every day a late night movie to watch every Friday. Don't forget to put a mint on the pillow!

Yeah, I know this guy was not stealing cars.... But remember cops are suppose to be protecting the citizens, and when has a car thief or rapist or any other crime not been a good US citizen when they are going to court??? The dude should have gotten a bullet in his ass. Why was he walking back to his car? Do you think if he made it back to his car he would have tried to get away??? I do!!!

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: maluckey

I've dealt with assholes, drunks, people trying to sneak stuff by me, etc... and I never once had to resort to violence to resolve it.

Good start! :beer: but not quite the same as having some butthead wanting you dead.

It's different when there is NO way to take back the bullet lodged in your chest for trusting that the subject doesn't want you dead. The stakes are high, and sometimes deadly to a cop or a door kicker.

Hindsight is 20/20. It's hard to believe that in that cops head he was likely thinking about what this guy would do if he got to the car. Visions of shotguns and pistols likely came to mind. A drive-off was not likely the biggest thing on his mind.

None of this really relates to my point though, that the policeman did a bad job of being a policeman. Maybe he felt he had to tazer him after he was walking back to his car, but if the policeman was competant he shouldn't have ever been in that situation to begin with.

Again, reprimand and additional training appear to be required for this guy, as he obviously has no idea how to do his job.

 

[theeedude]

The cop was blocking the speed limit sign with his car when that guy passed, so the motorist was right to ask where that sign was. The cop should be fired, and tased on the way out.

 

[narcotic]

This was posted on OT a little while back.
The officer is a retard, problem is, that the other guy was a douche, when a douche meets an armed retard nothing good is going to come out of it.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: ericlp

Yeah, I know this guy was not stealing cars.... But remember cops are suppose to be protecting the citizens, and when has a car thief or rapist or any other crime not been a good US citizen when they are going to court??? The dude should have gotten a bullet in his ass. Why was he walking back to his car? Do you think if he made it back to his car he would have tried to get away??? I do!!!

What? With his wife and kid in the car you think he was going to take the cop on a high speed chase..... over a $100 ticket.

Get a grip!

 

[TheNewbie]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Originally posted by: senseamp
If the guy had a gun and shot the cop back, and I was on the jury, I would have voted to acquit.

But you are also voting for Hillary so we assume stupidity from you before you even open your mouth.

Assumption is the mother of all fuck ups. We can safely say assumption is your mother.

 

[StageLeft]

That was way over the top. People should listen to cops, but come on there was no real warning there, no threat, the guy was hardly beligerent. That cop is a dirt bag.

He was barely resisting arrest. If the cop had said "Car, NOW or else you get tazed", I bet the guy would have complied. Also, was he even told that by not signing he'd be arrested? I certainly didn't know that. If the pig had said "I understand your frustration, but this is not up for debate: sign this now or you will be arrested" followed with, when the guy walked away, a clear warning that he'd be tazed-bro, then I'm sure this could have been avoided. It's fun to act tough on the net and defend a cop but they generally act a lot better than this.

 

[teclis1023]

I unfortunately am at work, and cannot view the video.

From what I'm hearing it seems that this man attempted to walk back to his car instead of complying.

What if he had a gun in his car?

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: teclis1023
I unfortunately am at work, and cannot view the video.

From what I'm hearing it seems that this man attempted to walk back to his car instead of complying.

What if he had a gun in his car?

What if bin laden was in his trunk? You have to watch the vid.

 

[piasabird]

I think if a person refuses to sign a citation that is not reason to arrest the person. It sounded like he was arguing with the police officer all along and just wanted to give him a hard time. In actuality, if the cops stop you for speeding you have no recourse and signing the citation does not mean you accept it. It just means you received a copy and know you are going to jail if you dont pay your ticket eventually.

However, once a cop takes you out of your car and has you put your hands on the hood of his car, you better follow along with whatever he wants to do. Otherwise the alternative could be a billy club to the head. The Police Officer is alone and he has no one to watch his back. He has to treat people as criminals if they dont follow his instructions. He had no backup and for all he know they could have been drug dealers or something. That is the kind of people who usually resist arrest because they have something to hide.

In retrospect, probably police should call for backup if the person does not comply. Still he would still be in danger of being run over by the person in the automobile if he did not remove him. I do not think tasering him right next to the traffic lane was such a good idea. His head probably hit the pavement when he fell. The cop should have least taken him to the side of the car with no traffic. That way he could keep an eye on the passenger better.

I wonder who released the video. It looks like the cops had to of released it. It looked like their video.

There have been plenty of cases where some criminal had his son or both his son and his wife in the car.

 

[M0RPH]

I don't know if anyone realized this but the cop actually tasered him twice. He zapped him again after he was down from the first one and the cop told him to roll over or something like that. They talk about it in this video.

http://www.cbsnews.com/section...0251.shtml?id=3533816n

He's on the ground in pain after just being tasered, of course he's going to have trouble following instructions to roll over. This is outrageous behavior by this cop IMO and he should have been fired.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
I don't know if anyone realized this but the cop actually tasered him twice. He zapped him again after he was down from the first one and the cop told him to roll over or something like that. They talk about it in this video.

http://www.cbsnews.com/section...0251.shtml?id=3533816n

He's on the ground in pain after just being tasered, of course he's going to have trouble following instructions to roll over. This is outrageous behavior by this cop IMO and he should have been fired.

F'in ahole police officer. Like I said earlier, it's jerks like that who give the police a bad name.

In the interview the man says he thought he was getting out of the car to look at the signs and make his case, which was what I thought when I originally watched the video.

Then at the end of that video a spokeman for the state of Utah says that the officer also could have just written "refused to sign" on the ticket and gave it to him anyway.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
If the cop didn't have his tazer it would have either been a tackle or a pursuit. The guy was not cooperating and attempted to leave the scene. In fact he was being such a dumbass he was probably either wasted off his ass or had something he was trying to hide. Things can go wrong with a tazer, but it's still the most effective way to disable someone with the least chance of serious injury to the cop or the perp. Moral of the story: If the cop is an asshole, don't give him an excuse to tazer you.

I think the mistake you are making here is that both parties are equal here, they aren't. It's the cop's JOB to use the minimum force required. It's his job to protect and serve that guy he is giving a ticket to on the road. He made no attempt whatsoever to deescalate the situation, he was confrontational, and he used extremely poor judgement.

Simply put the cop failed in his responsibilities as an officer, and he deserves to be reprimanded at a minimum.

God you're dense. The cop told the guy to stop. That's all he should have to say. The driver was trying to be a show off and be manly for his wife. The cop pulled a taser and the guy kept disobeying the cops command. As soon as he turned and, if you watch closely, put his right hand in his pocket, the officer was within every right to taze the guy. He taxed the guy because the last thing a officer wants is a fight on a busy highway with a perp that has a family member near by. By tazering the guy he:
1. stopped the now law breaker for disobeying his commands
2. protected his own safety
3. protected the safety of the driver
How do you suppose he protected their safety? If that turned into a physical battle it could have easily moved into traffic, that you saw in the video and one or both of them could have been injured or killed by a passing car.

As was posted before, if a cop is being a dick, he's the dick with a gun. Do as he says and then take it to court.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: JD50

You are dead wrong. Physically stopping someone via tackle can be just as life threatening as using a taser. Just because you tackle someone doesn't mean that they just give up and you can hook them up. Thats basically the whole point of the taser, they give up much quicker.

Having said that, there is no way that I am getting into yet another Cop bashing thread by people that have absolutely no clue what the hell they are talking about, especially when the OP states that the guy was tasered for a speeding ticket, what a moron. You'd think that the cop pulled the guy over and tased him because he was speeding....:roll:

Do you believe that the cop behaved appropriately in this traffic stop from beginning to end? Do you not see several ways in which this could have likely been avoided if he used better judgement?

Who could he have used any better judgement?
He get license and insurance, walks back to his car, gets out tell the guy he's getting a ticket and the guy refuses. He has the courtesy to tell the guy to get out of the vehicle so he doesn't have to be treated like a child, such as yourself, in front of his pregnant wife. He was going to save the guy some face, but the guy wanted to be a dick. He didn't want to listen to the officer and just didn't want the ticket. As soon as he turned and moved towards his car (with his hand in his pocket) is when it went from a civil issue, to a criminal issue. He disobeyed a command from a police officer and buy leaving the officer he was essentially "fleeing" a crime.
The officers job says he must stop and detain someone that has committed a crime, so he did.
Tackling someone or getting into a fight with them is the last thing an officer should do. The taser and pepper spray are the best ways to prevent this from happening. Though if you like, we can take the cameras out of the squad cars, take away they tazers and pepper spray and the cops can just shoot everyone and say he feared for his life.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Not another fucking taser/cop abuse thread. Sheesh.

Maybe when Quick-Draw McGraw pigs stop using tasers like cowboys prodding cattle the taser threads will stop.

LOL, someone got stopped by the bicycle cops for riding their skateboard on the sidewalks again......

Seriously, if you don't understand what's going on here just wait a few years.

Adult maturity makes things like this a lot easier to comprehend.

Yes, that's what it must be. I got harassed by the pigs while riding my skateboard when I was 14. 20 years ago. :roll:

Why is that internet tough guys like Deuchebagalus immediately assume that anybody who distrusts government is a punk teenager? Someone better tell my wife she's a child molester and not actually married to the IT Manager of a $60M/yr company.

So what's your excuse for being so fucking stupid, Deudalus? Are you an angst ridden teenager? Go back to cutting yourself and writing shitty poetry in a cry for attention, loser.

oh, cool we can use insults here.
Why are you so fucking stupid to think that anyone that knows IT mangers would think you have 1 working brain cell in your head?
Tazers save more lives than they take. You can have cops with guns and tazers, or just guns. Which one do you want?

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Deudalus

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
Twenty years ago, that person would have been kicked, beat up with fists, flash lights, clubs, and\or shot.

I worked in a surgical unit when I was in college and I went to a goodbye party for one of the nurses. Three or four of the nurses were married to police. The cops spend the evening laughing about beating people up.

It was creepy to hear the way the cops were talking about it. After that party I decided I would avoid socializing with police.

I'll tell you another funny one...

There is a local cafe here in New Orleans called the Trolley Stop which is on St Charles Ave. and is a local hangout for a lot of the local police.

One of the K-9 cops was in there one day telling a story which I overheard about him having to chase a crackhead who had just beaten up a woman and stole her purse and jewelry into the St. Thomas housing project.

Now first of all if you know anything about St. Thomas back in the day you would know that it makes Fallujah look like Sesame Street. Rapes, gunshots, muggings, and the like are a nightly occurance and are the norm in that area.

So he has to chase this crackhead into a building and winds up chasing him into a bedroom with no windows and only a closet. He yells at the guy to come out and he doesn't. He yells again giving him one last chance, but he doesn't come out.

So the cop opens the closet door lets the dog in and closes the door back and lets the melee insue until the guy decides he's ready to come out.


All this time I was chuckling while I overheard the story and thought it was quite hilarious and I was getting the mental image of the whole scenario.

Then it dawned on me that this cop has to put up with this bullshit for under 40,000 dollars a year..........

Hahaha, OMFG. I wish they'd show stuff like that on Cops.

 

[FoBoT]

the speeder should not have been speeding and should have followed the officer's directions

it is all the speeders fault

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
the speeder should not have been speeding and should have followed the officer's directions

it is all the speeders fault

lol, you're a tool. I'm dead serious.

 

[teclis1023]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: teclis1023
I unfortunately am at work, and cannot view the video.

From what I'm hearing it seems that this man attempted to walk back to his car instead of complying.

What if he had a gun in his car?

What if bin laden was in his trunk? You have to watch the vid.

Well, captain Sarcastic, that's why I didn't presume anything. I'm just asking the question, now aren't I?