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Target has gay pride merchandise on display

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Target can do whatever the fuck it feels like. I haven't said otherwise. But they should be ready for people to question what they are doing, as should others.

Again, WHERE did I say they shouldn't be doing this. Holy shit batman, where do they get this stuff? Questioning if it should be flaunted or marketed isn't the same as saying Target shouldn't be doing so.

Calm down there, Robin. At what point did I claim you said they shouldn't be doing it? In fact, you'll note I didn't even claim you said they were questioning if it should be flaunted. My post consisted entirely of questions to determine whether your opinion was limited to the statement that they don't "need" to do certain things or whether you are also arguing they "shouldn't."

In the above post you've now given us more information. You stated that Target should be ready for people to question what they are doing. I agree. However, I'm am curious, do you think people should question what they are doing, based upon factors other than the profitability of carrying such items?
 
Calm down there, Robin. At what point did I claim you said they shouldn't be doing it? In fact, you'll note I didn't even claim you said they were questioning if it should be flaunted. My post consisted entirely of questions to determine whether your opinion was limited to the statement that they don't "need" to do certain things or whether you are also arguing they "shouldn't."

In the above post you've now given us more information. You stated that Target should be ready for people to question what they are doing. I agree. However, I'm am curious, do you think people should question what they are doing, based upon factors other than the profitability of carrying such items?

Like I said before, Target does things because of image. What is wrong with questioning things along these lines? This case doesn't seem any different.
 
So now you are going to claim you misunderstood my position? And I'm the one backpedaling and/or the asshole? So much for me being the only one throwing around insults.

How is that back pedaling?

If I had a clear understanding of your position I wouldn't have asked you so many questions about it. That was the point of the questions...
 
I guess Target isn't all that great in this new liberal world as we may have thought...

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/06/09/ohio-mom-calls-target-out-over-girls-building-sets/

I just find these two competing stories interesting.

Stores sell things they believe people want. Lego must have done market research which found that girls weren't as interested in their toys as boys were and responded with pink colored "girl" themed sets.

Lego is Danish, aren't the Danes considered one of the greatest liberal societies of today? Take it up with them.

But no, some obnoxious American bitch has to make it about Target. Yeah, that's right princess, its' all about you. 🙄

I'm sick of this thin skinned PC culture we're in now. Everyone is outraged over everything. Well everyone needs to get the fuck over themselves, male, female, straight, gay, black, white. Just shut the fuck up.
 
I'm sick of this thin skinned PC culture we're in now. Everyone is outraged over everything. Well everyone needs to get the fuck over themselves, male, female, straight, gay, black, white. Just shut the fuck up.

I couldn't agree more. That's why I find it frustrating when people claim to be critical of a companies business sense when in reality it is most likely just cover for the fact that they are personally offended because they saw the word "Gay" printed on something in a public place.
 
Attempting to discuss this with xBiffx is like trying to do a jigsaw puzzle but only being allowed to look at the backs of the pieces and expecting to find out what the resulting picture will be on the other side.

I think the jist of his opinion is that people shouldn't volunteer information which may give a clue to their sexual orientation (for example) because this is bad (not sure why) and maybe they would be attention whores by doing so (wording along the lines of "attention whore" appears quite often in his posts in this thread, yet we've only got a "perhaps" when asking for confirmation on particular points). Furthermore, the only reason why anyone would be wearing gay pride gear is because they're gay and they're simply advertising their sexuality (attention whores... probably... I would have thought "certainly" given his opinion for the reason for the movement but I suspect another backpedal would ensue).

When asked about whether he has volunteered information (which may give a clue as to his sexual orientation) amongst friends, the question was ignored. When he asked whether I wear tokens that give a clue to my sexuality, I gave the example of my wedding ring which would be a pretty obvious indicator up until the UK legalised gay marriage. I also pointed out that I'll by going to a gay pride march with my wife this summer and we'll be wearing items that he apparently believes is a blatant indicator of gayness, but this wasn't responded to either. Perhaps this somehow makes me an attention whore in his opinion, but I would need help joining the logical dots together on that one.

Beyond that he's engaged in a series of backpedals / deflections rather than actually elaborating on his general opinion on this topic, then complaining about others trying to guess what the rest of his opinion is.

I think xBiffx is labouring under a few misconceptions, one being his apparent complete ignorance of the reasons why a group of people might want to do a pride march such as gay pride, and secondly his apparent opinion of what a normal level of personal privacy maintenance actually is for most people (though again I could be wrong here, he might not think he's normal on this particular point, but leaving others to guess that he thinks he is).

I don't usually reference my girlfriend just willy nilly. If someone asks about her, I may or may not talk about her depending on the topic.

So a casual conversation is in progress, then someone asks a question about his girlfriend and he terminates the conversation. I've had such a conversation once myself where a slightly odd customer asked me as part of a general "who are you, did you study to do this job, and how did you come to live around here" type conversation, whether my wife was "my first love" (which made me think "dude! stop right there!"), but would this really be a typical concern in your average conversation?
 
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Attempting to discuss this with xBiffx is like trying to do a jigsaw puzzle by only being allowed to look at the backs of the pieces and expecting to find out what the resulting picture will be on the other side.

I think the jist of his opinion is that people shouldn't volunteer information which may give a clue to their sexual orientation (for example) because this is bad (not sure why) and maybe they would be attention whores by doing so (wording along the lines of "attention whore" appears quite often in his posts in this thread, yet we've only got a "perhaps" when asking for confirmation on particular points). Furthermore, the only reason why anyone would be wearing gay pride gear is because they're gay and they're simply advertising their sexuality (attention whores... probably... I would have thought "certainly" given his opinion for the reason for the movement but I suspect another backpedal would ensue).

When asked about whether he has volunteered such information amongst friends, the question was ignored. When he asked whether I wear tokens that give a clue to my sexuality, I gave the example of my wedding ring which would be a pretty obvious indicator up until the UK legalised gay marriage. I also pointed out that I'll by going to a gay pride march with my wife this summer and we'll be wearing items that he apparently believes is a blatant indicator of gayness, but this wasn't responded to either. Perhaps this somehow makes me an attention whore in his opinion, but I would need help joining the logical dots together on that one.

Beyond that he's engaged in a series of backpedals / deflections rather than actually elaborating on his general opinion on this topic, then complaining about others trying to guess what the rest of his opinion is.

I think xBiffx is labouring under a few misconceptions, one being his apparent complete ignorance of the reasons why a group of people might want to do a pride march such as gay pride, and secondly his apparent opinion of what a normal level of personal privacy maintenance actually is for most people (though again I could be wrong here, he might not think he's normal on this particular point, but leaving others to guess that he thinks he is).



So a casual conversation is in progress, then someone asks a question about his girlfriend and he terminates the conversation. I've had such a conversation once myself where a slightly odd customer asked me as part of a general "who are you, did you study to do this job, and how did you come to live around here" type conversation, whether my wife was "my first love" (which made me think "dude! stop right there!"), but would this really be a typical concern in your average conversation?

I appreciate the insight. I think you've done a good job at clarifying his position for me, and by that I mean you've convinced me to stop trying to make sense of it.
 
If I was in target, I probably wouldn't notice the LGBT stuff. I seen enough of it that it isn't novel or unusual anymore. It used to be when I was young and went on cruises with my grand parents. The cruise had LGBT events and it was a point of conversation. No other time has LGBT merch been that big of a deal. I don't see why merch regarding real world issues are any worse than random IP smeared over half the clothing (spider man, the hulk, duck dynasty.) The merch isn't pandering to any type of political statement like gay marriage. Its simply stating a perfectly legal, accepting, and non-violent cultural group.

There used to be WWJD stuff everywhere. Target carries "Macho Man" tees. They have alcohol related tees. The gay pride shirts say stuff like "Happy" and "Funday."
 
Do you know what the point in a pride march actually is?
A public demonstration of unity and support for a subset of the population that has far too long endured popular stigmatization, abuse, bigotry, and a very real threat of full on violence if they dared to come out of the closet and publicise who they are. No more fear. Pride in who one is.

All those expressing discomfort with Target's retailing and a rainbow message in general are therefore living in that and express a repressive support for past harm and crimes against the LBGT population. You bigoted and oppressively puritan folk are in the contemporary minority and through the social progression of societal morality, you too will slip into deserved obscurity as the Klan and others. If you choose not to, then you're welcome to leave a society that you disdain so much, and rejoice in a realm of authoritative hate such modern Russia.

No room for bigots. By social and even legal justice, you will be rightly identified and ostracised into obscurity. Freedom of opinion? Freedom for consequences. Bigotry is an insulting and disruptive choice -- your call.
 
While I agree with you, I think people like TexasHiker are the ones who inspire this kind of behavior. I think it is the hateful and/or judgmental people who motivate many people to put it out there.

It does however seem to be a silly thing to be "proud" of; But I think that applies to ANYTHING you do not have control over, like being proud of where you were born, your ethnicity, being a man/being a woman, or your height, ect.

Pride is maybe not a perfect word for it, but the idea is that you're not ashamed of it and are not going to hide it or pretend to be straight, even if this comes at personal risk. Doing this helps other people feel more confident and comfortable about coming out and makes homophobes feel less confident and comfortable about openly treating gay people like garbage.
 
A public demonstration of unity and support for a subset of the population that has far too long endured popular stigmatization, abuse, bigotry, and a very real threat of full on violence if they dared to come out of the closet and publicise who they are. No more fear. Pride in who one is.

All those expressing discomfort with Target's retailing and a rainbow message in general are therefore living in that and express a repressive support for past harm and crimes against the LBGT population. You bigoted and oppressively puritan folk are in the contemporary minority and through the social progression of societal morality, you too will slip into deserved obscurity as the Klan and others. If you choose not to, then you're welcome to leave a society that you disdain so much, and rejoice in a realm of authoritative hate such modern Russia.

No room for bigots. By social and even legal justice, you will be rightly identified and ostracised into obscurity. Freedom of opinion? Freedom for consequences. Bigotry is an insulting and disruptive choice -- your call.

"Be like me or else I will oppress you"

What makes you different from those you despise?

big·ot
ˈbiɡət/
noun
noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots

a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
 
"Be like me or else I will oppress you"

What makes you different from those you despise?

big·ot
ˈbiɡət/
noun
noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots

a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

Ahh...

The old how dare you be intolerant of my intolerance defense.

If you don't already see how lame that is, you never well. Its been discussed over and over again in this forum.
 
Pride is maybe not a perfect word for it, but the idea is that you're not ashamed of it and are not going to hide it or pretend to be straight, even if this comes at personal risk. Doing this helps other people feel more confident and comfortable about coming out and makes homophobes feel less confident and comfortable about openly treating gay people like garbage.

We are on the same page. While I agree pride is probably not the BEST word choice here, it certainly wouldn't influence whether or not I would support the cause or stop me from attending a "gay pride" event.

At least with "gay pride" you could say that there is pride in not being afraid to be open about it.
 
These would be huge at Target

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I think they're sold out at the moment

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"Be like me or else I will oppress you"

What makes you different from those you despise?

big·ot
ˈbiɡət/
noun
noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots

a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

well he is not condoning violence against anyone or advocating that we deny a particular group of people rights. there's a couple big ones right there.
 
Why do you guys care so much about this stuff? lol


Also, this month is gay pride month so there are a LOT of gay pride events going on all over the country....but fuck Target for cashing in on that. Kids all over America will be tainted by these displays of rainbows and positive messages about accepting yourself and being happy.
 
Ahh...

The old how dare you be intolerant of my intolerance defense.

If you don't already see how lame that is, you never well. Its been discussed over and over again in this forum.

Well, apparently you guys still don't get it, hence it continues to have to be mentioned over and over again.
 
well he is not condoning violence against anyone or advocating that we deny a particular group of people rights. there's a couple big ones right there.

Whiskey16 begs to disagree with your assessment:

Whiskey16 said:
By social and even legal justice, you will be rightly identified and ostracised into obscurity.



Please do share the comments of anyone else who in this thread have condoning violence or advocated denial of rights.
 
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No, that would be you. If someone asks a question like that, they need to be ready for the answer. If that person is offended, that's their problem, not the problem of the person they asked.

When someone is out plainly displaying their sexual orientation, that isn't the same as me asking what the name of their spouse (there I go again with vague) is. False equivalence found.

Like when men and women are walking down the streets holding hands or with their arms around each other? Like when men and women kiss and hug each other in public?

Damn heterosexuals, out flaunting their sexual orientation like that. Won't somebody think of the children?
 
Why do you guys care so much about this stuff? lol


Also, this month is gay pride month so there are a LOT of gay pride events going on all over the country....but fuck Target for cashing in on that. Kids all over America will be tainted by these displays of rainbows and positive messages about accepting yourself and being happy.


That's a good question. Usually these topics are a good way to figure out which ATOT'ers are hateful fucks, but this thread has sort of derailed into something...else?
 
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