Talibans threaten to kill girls going to school

[palehorse]

More murder and mayhem brought to you by TGB's Taliban friends...

Afghan car bomb kills 14 children
KABUL, Afghanistan (CNN) -- A suicide car bomb blast near a voter registration site killed 16 people, 14 of them children, and wounded 58 in southeastern Afghanistan on Sunday morning, according to a senior police official and the U.S. military.

A Taliban spokesman said one of his group's fighters carried out the attack.

When security guards stopped the car at the entrance to the Mandozai district headquarters, the driver detonated the explosives inside the car, Khost provincial security chief Mohammad Yaqoub said.

A security guard and an Afghan National Army soldier were among the dead. There were no military casualties, said U.S. Col. Gregory Julian. Coalition and Afghan forces worked together to evacuate the wounded to military and civilian hospitals, he said.

The military released photos of the incident, saying they "provide further proof the Afghan militants are not interested in the welfare nor benefit of the Afghan people."

Dozens of tribal elders were meeting nearby in the district administrative office at the time of the bombing, the police official said. The Mandozai district is in the Khost province.

Zabiullah Mujahid, a Taliban spokesman speaking by phone from an undisclosed location, said the suicide bombing was carried out by Qari Hameedullah, a Taliban fighter.

Elsewhere, a rocket attack in Kabul killed three teenage sisters and injured four other people Saturday night, Afghan President Hamid Karzai's office said in a statement.

The girls died when one of two rockets fired on Kabul crashed into a house in the southern part of the city. In the statement, Karzai called those who fired the rockets "enemies of Afghanistan" who "can't achieve anything by firing rockets but the killing of innocent civilians."

The president called the suicide bombing an "un-Islamic act" and said those behind it "are not aware of the Islamic teachings which outlaw the killing of innocent people. Those who ordered and executed this attack cannot escape the revenge of Afghans and God's punishment."

 

[AnitaPeterson]

The Taliban should have been cut off from the rest of the world - and then declared war against and/or exterminated - when they blew up the historical Buddha statues, which were a treasure of art and history belonging to the entire world.

Instead of that, Cheney himself received a Taliban delegation around that same time, to discuss an oil pipeline in the region.

 

[palehorse]

Saudi Arabia would like to take a moment to remind everyone that Pakistan is not the only bastion of religious fanaticism in the world...

Saudi women's group assails judge over 8-year-old's marriage
(CNN) -- A group fighting for women's rights in Saudi Arabia condemned a judge Wednesday for refusing to annul the marriage of an 8-year-old girl to a 47-year-old man.

The group's co-founder, Wajeha al-Huwaider, told CNN that achieving human rights in the kingdom means standing against those who want to "keep us backward and in the dark ages."

The Society of Defending Women's Rights in Saudi Arabia, in a statement published on its Web site, called on the "minister of justice and human rights groups to interfere now in this case" by divorcing the girl from the man. "They must end this marriage deal which was made by the father of the girl and the husband."

On Saturday, the judge, Sheikh Habib Abdallah al-Habib, dismissed a petition brought by the girl's mother.

The mother's lawyer, Abdullah al-Jutaili, said the judge found that the mother -- who is separated from the girl's father -- is not the legal guardian, and therefore cannot represent her daughter.

The judge requested, and received, a pledge from the husband, who was in court, not to allow the marriage to be consummated until the girl reaches puberty, al-Jutaili said. When she reaches puberty, the judge ruled, the girl will have the right to request a divorce by filing a petition with the court, the lawyer said.

Al-Jutaili said the girl's father arranged the marriage in order to settle his debts with the man, "a close friend" of his.

In its statement Wednesday, the Society of Defending Women's Rights in Saudi Arabia said the judge's decision goes against children's "basic rights." Marrying children makes them "lose their sense of security and safety. Also, it destroys their feeling of being loved and nurtured. It causes them a lifetime of psychological problems and severe depression.

"Moreover, children marriage creates unhealthy families because they were built on bad relationships."

The judge's decision also contradicts the king's consultative council, called the Majlis al-Shura, which found that anyone under the age of 18 "is a child and should be treated likewise," the women's rights group said.

In an interview with CNN, al-Huwaider said the Saudi government has signed international agreements involving children's and human rights, "and they know that this is very harmful to the kingdom's image. There is a strong wave to teach and spread human rights here in Saudi Arabia, but we all know that there are two players behind the scenes: a movement that wants reform and change to better the kingdom and another movement that wants to keep us backward and in the dark ages."

The Saudi Justice Ministry has not commented.

The Saudi Information Ministry forwarded CNN to the government-run Human Rights Commission.

Zuhair al-Harithi, a spokesman for the commission, said his organization is fighting against child marriages. "Child marriages violate international agreements that have been signed by Saudi Arabia and should not be allowed," he said.

Al-Harithi added that he did not have specific details about this case, but his organization has been able to stop at least one other child marriage.

Christoph Wilcke, a Saudi Arabia researcher for Human Rights Watch, said, "We've been hearing about these types of cases once every four or five months because the Saudi public is now able to express this kind of anger, especially so when girls are traded off to older men."

In an interview Wednesday with CNN, Wilcke said that while Saudi ministries may make decisions designed to protect children, "It is still the religious establishment that holds sway in the courts, and in many realms beyond the court."
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He added that, "unfortunately, the religious establishment holds to conservative views which many scholars believe sometimes violate sharia [Islamic law]."

Wilcke said he hopes the appeals process will overturn the judge's decision

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: palehorse
The problem you'll find on sites like this one is that many will dismiss their evil -- perhaps even deem it acceptable -- just as long as they do not have to hear about it, or see it, on the evening news. Others will ask aloud why the death of schoolchildren a thousand miles away should even concern them.

It's sickening.

Keep up the good fight bro. Put as many of those Taliban fuckers in the ground as you can! :thumbsup:

+1

It is too bad the Taliban issue was not dealt with after the Soviet withdrawl, would have been alot easier and alot less dirty to just support the other Warlods and deal with it than.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: keird

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
If you really care about innocent civilians tell your Israeli friends to stop their massacre.

Of Hamas? Why should they stop? Hamas is a criminal organization. It doesn't involve Pakistan, does it?

Hamas is a criminal organization. Therfore Israel has a right to massacre civilians. I've gotta love your logic.

Yet you support the attacks of civillians in India.

Love your morals

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: palehorse
The problem you'll find on sites like this one is that many will dismiss their evil -- perhaps even deem it acceptable -- just as long as they do not have to hear about it, or see it, on the evening news. Others will ask aloud why the death of schoolchildren a thousand miles away should even concern them.

It's sickening.

Keep up the good fight bro. Put as many of those Taliban fuckers in the ground as you can! :thumbsup:

+1

It is too bad the Taliban issue was not dealt with after the Soviet withdrawl, would have been alot easier and alot less dirty to just support the other Warlods and deal with it than.

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The problem with the RichardE reasoning is that the Taliban as an organization simply did not exists as an organization when the Russians were basically expelled
from Afghanistan.

When the war lords arose long after the Russians left, the Taliban came into existence as the only entity that could free the Afghan people from the abuses of the war lords.

Just like the contention that the road to hell is paved with good intentions, Nato and US involvement in Afghanistan is full of missed opportunities and giant mistakes. We maybe would coulda shoulda done something else, but here is where we are now.

The Taliban and to a lesser extent Al-Quida is winning, and IMHO, until Nato and the US military corrects its Peter Principle type mistakes, and learns new skill sets, the dream of exterminating the Taliban will be a pipedream no matter how much military force is brought to bear.

I see this forum's peanut gallery cheering section has once again seemingly agreed that our values can be transplanted into a primitive society by military force. While the Taliban takes ample benefit from every mistake Nato and The US military makes. IMHO, its our mistakes that is resulting in a Taliban win. And far from rooting for the Taliban, I do not like the results one damn bit.

Which is why I oppose JOS and Palehorse type thinking and suggest we need to address the needs of the Afghan people first to get on the right track.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: keird

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
If you really care about innocent civilians tell your Israeli friends to stop their massacre.

Of Hamas? Why should they stop? Hamas is a criminal organization. It doesn't involve Pakistan, does it?

Hamas is a criminal organization. Therfore Israel has a right to massacre civilians. I've gotta love your logic.

Yet you support the attacks of civillians in India.

Love your morals

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India, with its mixed population of Hindus and Muslims has been a battleground long before the British came to the region. Terrorists groups and mobs have been butchering each other in on going tit for tat violence.

Get a clue, the Mumbi attack is nothing new, and to accuse TheGreenBean of either supporting it or causing it is stupidity that only self labels RichardE
as a fool.

As it is, TheGreenBean, is honestly reporting what most of Pakistan thinks, and while I may not endorse the attitudes of either TGB or Richard E, an emotion is as valid as a fact in terms of behavior. Ignore the attitudes of large masses of people at your own peril.

Right now, to promote the cause of peace at two flash points, may require binding third party arbitration regarding Kashmir and Israel.

As for Hamas, its still democratically elected, you do support democratic elections don't you? Sure I can make the case that Hamas is a terrorist organization, and at the same time make the case that Israel is too.

 

[OCGuy]

The time for the Taliban is over. As soon as Obama shifts manpower to Afghanistan, the real fun begins.

We will continue to strike into Pakistan, as keyboard warriors like Green come into internet chatrooms and call the USA and its allies "just as bad as the Taliban they are fighting."

You can spit that crap until the end of time, but it is falling on deaf ears. Pakistan is now the bastard step-child on the world stage. Sorry.

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
The time for the Taliban is over. As soon as Obama shifts manpower to Afghanistan, the real fun begins.

We will continue to strike into Pakistan, as keyboard warriors like Green come into internet chatrooms and call the USA and its allies "just as bad as the Taliban they are fighting."

You can spit that crap until the end of time, but it is falling on deaf ears. Pakistan is now the bastard step-child on the world stage. Sorry.

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Both time and results will tell.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: palehorse
The problem you'll find on sites like this one is that many will dismiss their evil -- perhaps even deem it acceptable -- just as long as they do not have to hear about it, or see it, on the evening news. Others will ask aloud why the death of schoolchildren a thousand miles away should even concern them.

It's sickening.

Keep up the good fight bro. Put as many of those Taliban fuckers in the ground as you can! :thumbsup:

+1

It is too bad the Taliban issue was not dealt with after the Soviet withdrawl, would have been alot easier and alot less dirty to just support the other Warlods and deal with it than.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem with the RichardE reasoning is that the Taliban as an organization simply did not exists as an organization when the Russians were basically expelled
from Afghanistan.

When the war lords arose long after the Russians left, the Taliban came into existence as the only entity that could free the Afghan people from the abuses of the war lords.

Just like the contention that the road to hell is paved with good intentions, Nato and US involvement in Afghanistan is full of missed opportunities and giant mistakes. We maybe would coulda shoulda done something else, but here is where we are now.

The Taliban and to a lesser extent Al-Quida is winning, and IMHO, until Nato and the US military corrects its Peter Principle type mistakes, and learns new skill sets, the dream of exterminating the Taliban will be a pipedream no matter how much military force is brought to bear.

I see this forum's peanut gallery cheering section has once again seemingly agreed that our values can be transplanted into a primitive society by military force. While the Taliban takes ample benefit from every mistake Nato and The US military makes. IMHO, its our mistakes that is resulting in a Taliban win. And far from rooting for the Taliban, I do not like the results one damn bit.

Which is why I oppose JOS and Palehorse type thinking and suggest we need to address the needs of the Afghan people first to get on the right track.

The Taliban begain there conquest of Afghanistain shortly after the Soviets were expelled. Afghanistain became one minute one of the main foreing policy initatives of the United States when they were killing Russians to not even being on the Middle East operational protocal after the Soviets left. Hell, when the Talibal first took power the US response was "we hope this brings stability to the region"

The Taliban should have been dealt with when we had the chance, in the same manner as Osama Bin Laden should have been taken out when they had the chance. Many problems in the world could be solved with a well timed bullet in the pages of history.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: The Green Bean

Originally posted by: keird

Originally posted by: The Green Bean
If you really care about innocent civilians tell your Israeli friends to stop their massacre.

Of Hamas? Why should they stop? Hamas is a criminal organization. It doesn't involve Pakistan, does it?

Hamas is a criminal organization. Therfore Israel has a right to massacre civilians. I've gotta love your logic.

Yet you support the attacks of civillians in India.

Love your morals

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

India, with its mixed population of Hindus and Muslims has been a battleground long before the British came to the region. Terrorists groups and mobs have been butchering each other in on going tit for tat violence.

Get a clue, the Mumbi attack is nothing new, and to accuse TheGreenBean of either supporting it or causing it is stupidity that only self labels RichardE
as a fool.

As it is, TheGreenBean, is honestly reporting what most of Pakistan thinks, and while I may not endorse the attitudes of either TGB or Richard E, an emotion is as valid as a fact in terms of behavior. Ignore the attitudes of large masses of people at your own peril.

Right now, to promote the cause of peace at two flash points, may require binding third party arbitration regarding Kashmir and Israel.

As for Hamas, its still democratically elected, you do support democratic elections don't you? Sure I can make the case that Hamas is a terrorist organization, and at the same time make the case that Israel is too.

Except he has stated in numerous threads he supported the attaks LL.

I do support democratic elections as well I support the destruction of elected governments that threaten the peace and security with official government positions as Hamas did.

If Israel kills a 100 000 of them, I won't feel a thing.

 

[Lemon law]

Well we see how humane Richard E is when he says, " If Israel kills a 100 000 of them, I won't feel a thing."

I hate to tell you, both Israelis and Palestinians are both human beings, and there is something morally defective about you if you advocate one human being has more rights than another.

Maybe its time for you to grow up and have some external and universal standards of fairness you quite evidently lack.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well we see how humane Richard E is when he says, " If Israel kills a 100 000 of them, I won't feel a thing."

I hate to tell you, both Israelis and Palestinians are both human beings, and there is something morally defective about you if you advocate one human being has more rights than another.

Maybe its time for you to grow up and have some external and universal standards of fairness you quite evidently lack.

Not everyone in this world is equal. If you think everyone is, I can understand your point of view, I however do not think everyone is equal. People who live for nothing but death are not as equal as people who have taken desert and turned it into a beautifull country of prosperity.

Everyone is a human being yes, but some human beings deserve to live more than others. With the Israel/Palestine situation, it is one or the other, either people in Israel die, or Palestinians die until they want peace.

I have established ideals of fairness, and Hamas has violated them. I go to Israel for 2-8 weeks a year every year the last 5 years, I have numerous friends in Israel who I talk to all the time, I also keep friends in every middle eastern country including Palestine. When the people of Palestine want peace there will be peace. If that means every single martyr has to die, than so be it. As it stands they were a democratically elected government that was elected on the ideal of destroying Israel. No, I have no sympathy for that country.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Well we see how humane Richard E is when he says, " If Israel kills a 100 000 of them, I won't feel a thing."

I hate to tell you, both Israelis and Palestinians are both human beings, and there is something morally defective about you if you advocate one human being has more rights than another.

Maybe its time for you to grow up and have some external and universal standards of fairness you quite evidently lack.

Is someone who memorizes the qu ran before 5 (imagine that, memorizing a whole book) - who only lives to live like that murderous desert mystic and general - indoctrinated with total regulation of life and explanation of the universe, emulating a brutal barbaric medieval life from whence that book came, a life sewing mayhem, beating women and generally keeping up the gender apartheid and killing any descent the same as person who cares for all regardless of sex, religion or race. Who sends aid to people lobbing missiles at them? One who builds instead of destroys? Who are assets instead of liabilities? I don't think so.

That's not to say all of anything are bad or the west shouldn't try to minimize collateral damage but I think some people are worth more than others. Countries GDP prove it somewhat. A countries civil rights prove it. How a country treats it's lowest, it's gays, it's women, it's minorities all show more of less nobility of the people.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Which is why I oppose JOS and Palehorse type thinking and suggest we need to address the needs of the Afghan people first to get on the right track.

once again, stop mis-characterizing our position.

When have JoS or myself ever said that we're against addressing "the needs of the Afghan people first"!?

I really wish you'd stop doing that...

Originally posted by: Lemon law
As it is, TheGreenBean, is honestly reporting what TheGreenBean thinks.

fixed.

 

[keird]

Originally posted by: palehorse
once again, stop mis-characterizing our position.

What else can he do?

 

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Which is why I oppose JOS and Palehorse type thinking and suggest we need to address the needs of the Afghan people first to get on the right track.

once again, stop mis-characterizing our position.

When have JoS or myself ever said that we're against addressing "the needs of the Afghan people first"!?

I really wish you'd stop doing that...

Originally posted by: Lemon law
As it is, TheGreenBean, is honestly reporting what TheGreenBean thinks.

fixed.

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The sad fact is, palehorse and JOS type thinking has failed to win the hearts and minds of the Afghan people. Its not so much the fact that some of that thinking
tries to address a very few of those needs, its more of a matter that palehorse and JOS thinking is exactly the wrong currency to address the needs of the Afghan people. And the really SAD Sad fact is that the Taliban better addresses those needs.

What the Afghan people need above all is a government that works, courts that function, and conditions where wrong doers get punished.

Has this been delivered by the Nato occupation, short answer hell no. Instead the first Nato act in starting the Afghan occupation was to ally itself with the super corrupt Northern alliance, the very entity whose actions made the Taliban comparatively heaven on earth and paved the way for them taking over because they were better than the Northern Alliance.

And now after six plus years of a Nato alliance, Afghanistan is largely the narco capital of the world, courts do not function, the Afghan police are totally corrupt,
Northern alliance war lord thugs rule most of the countryside, if an Afghan is not killed by a US bombing raid, the Taliban is equally likely to kill them, as life is now infinitely worse than it was before Nato came. And when some 90% of Afghans now believe, rightly or wrongly, that this Afghan occupation is an assault on the Muslim religion, I can only conclude that Nato is doing almost everything possible to validate their opinion. If put to any vote, one has to go, the Taliban would win over Nato by a landslide.

Yes, I have to agree, there is something wrong with that picture, but lets be honest here, that is the picture, and Nato has earned its unpopularity because of defective thinking and failing to meet their needs. Get a clue, their needs and our needs have been totally out of sync and that is why we are losing.

Palehorse and Jos type thinking has failed totally is the bottom line.

There is something totally disingenuous about asking me to lie and comply with their unreality wishes with a "I really wish you'd stop doing that..."

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

At least they already admit to planning to kill civilians, rather than bombing schools and hospitals and then claiming they were targetting Hamas.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The sad fact is, palehorse and JOS type thinking has failed to win the hearts and minds of the Afghan people. Its not so much the fact that some of that thinking
tries to address a very few of those needs, its more of a matter that palehorse and JOS thinking is exactly the wrong currency to address the needs of the Afghan people. And the really SAD Sad fact is that the Taliban better addresses those needs.

I asked you to stop mis-characterizing our positions, again, and that is how you start off your post!??

You should be f'n banned...

 

[Robor]

"You have until January 15 to stop sending your girls to schools. If you do not pay any heed to this warning, we will kill such girls," one official quoted the commander as saying.
"We also warn schools not to enrol any female students; otherwise, their buildings will be blown up."

How the fuck can this kind of thinking/oppression exist in 2008?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
At least they already admit to planning to kill civilians, rather than bombing schools and hospitals and then claiming they were targetting Hamas.

Are you trying to say that the Israelis are as bad or worse than the Taliban? Israel bends over backwards to be gentle to a group of despicable people who harbor suicide bombers and rocket launchers. The proper comparison is to compare the Palestinians to the Taliban.

 

[5150Joker]

I'm of Afghan descent and if given the chance, I'd slaughter everyone in the Taliban. It's an evil organization and if there's one good thing the US has done (even though it's no altruistic motive) it's to engage and destroy them. Sadly I don't think the US will be able to do it, those Taliban cockroaches can bounce back from anything.

P.S. Why hasn't Saudi Arabia's monarchy been deposed of yet? They are the chief exporters of the hate filled ideology that created Al-Qaeda and Taliban.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Originally posted by: palehorse
More murder and mayhem brought to you by TGB's Taliban friends...

Afghan car bomb kills 14 children
KABUL, Afghanistan (CNN) -- A suicide car bomb blast near a voter registration site killed 16 people, 14 of them children, and wounded 58 in southeastern Afghanistan on Sunday morning, according to a senior police official and the U.S. military.

A Taliban spokesman said one of his group's fighters carried out the attack.

When security guards stopped the car at the entrance to the Mandozai district headquarters, the driver detonated the explosives inside the car, Khost provincial security chief Mohammad Yaqoub said.

A security guard and an Afghan National Army soldier were among the dead. There were no military casualties, said U.S. Col. Gregory Julian. Coalition and Afghan forces worked together to evacuate the wounded to military and civilian hospitals, he said.

The military released photos of the incident, saying they "provide further proof the Afghan militants are not interested in the welfare nor benefit of the Afghan people."

Dozens of tribal elders were meeting nearby in the district administrative office at the time of the bombing, the police official said. The Mandozai district is in the Khost province.

Zabiullah Mujahid, a Taliban spokesman speaking by phone from an undisclosed location, said the suicide bombing was carried out by Qari Hameedullah, a Taliban fighter.

Elsewhere, a rocket attack in Kabul killed three teenage sisters and injured four other people Saturday night, Afghan President Hamid Karzai's office said in a statement.

The girls died when one of two rockets fired on Kabul crashed into a house in the southern part of the city. In the statement, Karzai called those who fired the rockets "enemies of Afghanistan" who "can't achieve anything by firing rockets but the killing of innocent civilians."

The president called the suicide bombing an "un-Islamic act" and said those behind it "are not aware of the Islamic teachings which outlaw the killing of innocent people. Those who ordered and executed this attack cannot escape the revenge of Afghans and God's punishment."

And this...Afghan Schoolgirls Describe Acid Attacks (VIDEO)
It never ceases to amaze me how evil people can be and be totally oblivious to it.