Taliban: Don't attack us!

[Aelus]

the fact that so many people consider such violent acts, shows that it's not islam who makes people into terrorists, but it's violence against them.

lots of people have expressed today they would have no problems with nuking a country full of innocents, well, i'm sure you didn't have any problems against terrorists attacking america either then because they felt as if america was behind the murder on their relatives.

the taliban has promised to look into evidence, and said they will turn him over if evidence is conclusive to them.

evidence? evidence? we don't need no fvcking evidence! BURN EM! KILL EM ALL!

Aelus

 

[hungrypete]

<< the fact that so many people consider such violent acts, shows that it's not islam who makes people into terrorists, but it's violence against them.

lots of people have expressed today they would have no problems with nuking a country full of innocents, well, i'm sure you didn't have any problems against terrorists attacking america either then because they felt as if america was behind the murder on their relatives.

the taliban has promised to look into evidence, and said they will turn him over if evidence is conclusive to them.

evidence? evidence? we don't need no fvcking evidence! BURN EM! KILL EM ALL!

Aelus >>



The Taliban has lied to us too many times. The clock is ticking, hence the pleas to not attack them. They are screwed, and it's due to hiding Bin Laden.

 

[Aihyah]

the point is while the terrorists might feel that way, but no rational country would allow itself to become a target for destruction by supporting said fanatics. fanatics without support are far less dangerous.


whats your alternative? if no action is taken, the fanatics will continue to have widespread support by people and governements, making them just as dangerous, or even more so thanks to their success.

 

[Looney]

You're pushing blame off of us. It's not their fault. True, their actions are there fault. But our lack of action is our fault. We should have been in there to smear his ass on the sand the first time -reguardless of damn political reasons.

You're right... the world has been too lax on terrorism. There should be a world policy that no terrorism in any form will be tolerated.

the fact that so many people consider such violent acts, shows that it's not islam who makes people into terrorists, but it's violence against them

Oh please... what kind of retarded logic is that? What acts of violence has the US done to these terrorist groups? They have bombed the WTC, bombed 2 embassies, bombed a US naval ship, and now destroyed the WTC and attacked the Pentagon. The US is FINALLY calling for proper actions to be taken.

lots of people have expressed today they would have no problems with nuking a country full of innocents, well, i'm sure you didn't have any problems against terrorists attacking america either then because they felt as if america was behind the murder on their relatives.

Do you have selective attention or something? Only a handful of people have said they have no problems with nuking the entire country, but the vast majority dont' believe that.

the taliban has promised to look into evidence, and said they will turn him over if evidence is conclusive to them.

And you believe them? How gullable are you? What makes you think this is going to be any different than the WTC first bombing, the two embassy bombings, or the naval ship bombing?

 

[HowardStern]

<< WW3 doesn't have to be an even spread between sides of the major world powers. Germany started WWI... the aliances came later. >>



Where did you go to school? Germany did not start WW1.

 

[HowardStern]

<< I am still shocked that people here think nuking is the answer. >>



If we send enough nukes we should be able to get Ben Laden

 

[StageLeft]

Where did you go to school?

And then you say

If we send enough nukes we should be able to get Ben Laden

 

[Aelus]

aihyah, if someone wants to sacrifice his life for a cause, don't you think he has a reason? it seems so easy to just call them fanatics who do it just for fun. There must be some reason behind it, and the typical answer just doesn't cut it for me. people just aren't that stupid (although after what i've seen today...)

Aelus

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

<<

<< WW3 doesn't have to be an even spread between sides of the major world powers. Germany started WWI... the aliances came later. >>



Where did you go to school? Germany did not start WW1. >>

okay, History isn't my strong point. I was fairly certain that the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand was by a German hand...

 

[Aelus]

Moralpanic, no, the us never had anything to do with killing innocents.

heck, it could be serbians who were pissed because innocents people were bombed by nato.
it could be citizens of chili who are angry because of the support for pinochet.
it could be extremists from afghanistan, who are angry because the usa doesn't seem to like them
it could be iraqis who want to avenge their families
it could be japanese extremists who want to avenge the nukes in ww2
it could be german neo nazis
it could be palestinians who don't like the us for their approval of the actions of israel
it could be cubans who want to avenge the invasion in the bay of pigs
it could be french who just dislike the USA for disliking them.
it could be a bunch of ex-ussr spies

it could be almost everyone. the investigation will have to find out who did it, and why. They have to be brought to justice and get a fair trial. THEN the government has to look into what made them do this hidious act, as to make it never happen again.

if you retaliate on innocents, you're going to piss even more people off and something like this will happen again.

only rational thoughts can save our humanity, if we let the cry for blood prevail, we're a bunch of animals.

Aelus

 

[Aihyah]

aihyah, if someone wants to sacrifice his life for a cause, don't you think he has a reason? it seems so easy to just call them fanatics who do it just for fun. There must be some reason behind it, and the typical answer just doesn't cut it for me. people just aren't that stupid (although after what i've seen today...)

Aelus

did i say they wouldn't have reasons? or what could constitute reasons in their twisted minds? of course not. Their methods of attacking is asking for no other response then the one i have already stated. sometimes there is no nice solution to an ugly situation.

and no "cause" can justify what they did yesterday.

 

[gopunk]

I am still shocked that people here think nuking is the answer.

amen, some of you people need to grow up and stop acting so hot-headed.

 

[Aihyah]

it could be cubans who want to avenge the invasion in the bay of pigs

you must be kidding me, is that how far back you are willing to go? No nation is free from incidents in the past that made some people angry. your only showing how extreme you are with your little list

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

<< We have to realize that we have to use the same process that we are defending. We have to use the legal system. Arms are only to carry out the legal decision. >>



IMO this is morally and legally incorrect. The terrorists who carried out this action clearly committed an act of war, and we are amply justified in making a warlike response. In the interest of preserving our own safety and way of life, it seems to me we have little choice but to do so. If we do anything short of a massive attack on the responsible organization and the regime that harbors it (which appears to be Afghanistan), we can say goodbye to our safety for the future. It may not be pretty, but I feel what is warranted is destruction on a Biblical scale, and I have no ethical or legal qualms about our wreaking it. You mess with the bull (i.e., the mightiest military force ever assembled), you get the horns . . .

 

[gopunk]

aelus -

you forgot it could be americans, like it was in the oklahoma city bombing.

 

[Aelus]

Aihyah, can you please quote my extremist points of view? i've got no memory of me promoting terrorism or murder.

i, with my very limited knowledge on the foreign politics of the USA, was just making a small list of potential enemies the USA might have.

don't forget, you only need to piss off one person, and slaughter like this can happen.

Aelus

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

<< aelus -

you forgot it could be americans, like it was in the oklahoma city bombing. >>

I don't know about your view of "American", but he was NOT an American to me. :|

 

[nam ng]

<< I am still shocked that people here think nuking is the answer.

amen, some of you people need to grow up and stop acting so hot-headed. >>


Some of us are civilized some not so civilized, recognize it, believe it, see the WTC. Those wanted to go back in their hidey holes from this fact are welcome.

 

[brzez]

If you wipe out Aphganistan, you may fix the problems in the short term but terrorism will rear its ugly head again in the future. There will be a lot of relatives and friends of the nuked/killed innocents in Aphganistan and they will rise up and terrorize later on (some of them live here or other countries). There will be more and worse terrorism to deal with later on.

You can see the same in Israel, Kosovo, Ireland and other places. People are killing/striking back because they had family or friends that were killed (many of them generations ago). Many times the original cause of the conflict has long passed or is forgotton and people are just fighting because they grew up that way and they do not know any other way (look at the kids in Palestine.. killing seems like a game to them). They are in many ways ignorant and refuse to change or know no other way. We have the opportunity here to become like them... I think Americans are smarter than that.

People and things can change if someone takes the first step to make it happen. Striking back doesn't solve the problem (but it sure would make many people feel better). Did anyone ask why we were attacked instead of trying to find someone to blame? I still can't find the answer for such a mindless and senseless act but somewhere along the line someone must feel lots of hate and anger against America to do this. I don't think their hate and anger is justifed at all in what they did but I at least want to know why so that if such an initial situation occurs again, we can avoid a tragedy like this later on. We should always stand up to any bully but we should avoind becoming the bully ourselves.

That being said, if bin Laden is responsible, I would have no problem putting a bullet in his head personally but I don't see any sense in killing a large group of people (Muslims or anyone of Islamic faith) who would never do what a few bad apples did. That would be scapegoating Jews just like the Nazis did in Germany around WW2. It is pretty sad that at some level, if bin Laden is ever killed he will instantly be a martyr.

Personally I think the best thing the US can do is appeal to the human sense of greed. We can offer a couple hundred million dollars reward tax free for anyone bringing to justice the people responsible for this act (my wallet is ready). I'm sure we could get people to betray whoever is responsible for this and come forward. This would be a much bigger blow to terrorism in that it would be that much harder for terrorist groups to trust each other and would undermine any fundamental ideals they are extolling. Most supporters would be confused and disollusioned and eventually the systems would fall apart. Probably the best way to deal with terrorism is to let terrorists take care of their own and watch it all fall apart. Nothing like the human sense of greed to ignite the fire...

-- John