TALIBAN: DEAD

[Mrburns2007]

There is a ton of evidence plus all the times he goes on videotape making pronouncments that it is a Arabs duty to obtain nuclear weapons to destroy the "infidels".

BTW: He was wanted long before the 9-11 on about a dozen other charges of terrorism and not just by the United States. I believe the Sudan was trying to give us info about his location but the Clinton admistration wasn't interested for whatever reasons.

Also the members of Al Queda have sworn a blood oath to destroy America, there is little secret to that so it's best to round them up.




<< And I thought Taliban are hardcore fighters. Why is this war so easy to win? >>



The Taliban is a religious group not a military outfit, there also young so they probably don't have much experience in battle. People thought the battle would be hard because of what happened when the soviets tried to invade and occupy afhganistan. The difference being that afhgans had a decent life before the soviets invaded and women were pretty free to work and walk around. The entire country fought agianst the soviets. This time we weren't invading to occupy the land but to liberate them from the ultra strict taliban wackos and they were very happy as hell to see them flee.

This time the afhgans are afraid we will leave without setting up a proper government, alot of afghans actually want a democracy kinda like the one they had in 1970's.

 

[Texmaster]

<< cool.

thought I'd post this again since you might not see my edit:


The only way is through military Tribunal.


Not exactly true. We have ways of keeping national/military secrets secret without tribunals through already existing channels. >>




My answer: Name them. and please name the ways foreign intelligence will br protected in public court.

What you dont get Luckster is many sources dont even want their NAME known. (Like Iran)

 

[JoeBaD]

Glad to see the Liberal Arseholes are alive & well!

 

[Elledan]

<< There is a ton of evidence plus all the times he goes on videotape making pronouncments that it is a Arabs duty to obtain nuclear weapons to destroy the "infidels".

BTW: He was wanted long before the 9-11 on about a dozen other charges of terrorism and not just by the United States. I believe the Sudan was trying to give us info about his location but the Clinton admistration wasn't interested for whatever reasons.

Also the members of Al Queda have sworn a blood oath to destroy America, there is little secret to that so it's best to round them up. >>


Thank you, that was the kind of response I was hoping for.

Next question: why is it that Bin Laden and his followers are so eager to see the US suffer? No action is done without reason.

 

[Texmaster]

<< Next question: why is it that Bin Laden and his followers are so eager to see the US suffer? No action is done without reason. >>




Why whatever do you mean Elledan? Are you saying that the US deserved this attack?

 

[Red Dawn]

<< Elladan insults everyone here by posing that question. I'm simply calling him on it. >>

Speak for yourself Tex. While I don't agree with his statement I wasn't insulted by it. In fact I bet you probably were the only person in this thread who was insulted by it. Why don't you calm down a little and stop trying to pigeon hole others into one group or another just because they might not think in Black and White like you obviously do.

With you extremist points of view you have a lot in common with the Taliban who persecuted anybody who didn't believe exactly like they did.

 

[Elledan]

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<< Next question: why is it that Bin Laden and his followers are so eager to see the US suffer? No action is done without reason. >>




Why whatever do you mean Elledan? Are you saying that the US deserved this attack? >>

Please sit down and calm down a bit. You're a prime example of paranoia

 

[Lucky]

<< The only way is through military Tribunal.


Not exactly true. We have ways of keeping national/military secrets secret without tribunals through already existing channels. >>



Name them. and please name the ways foreign intelligence will br protected in public court.



Im unable to detail it off the top of my head, but I've seen it explained several on TV, and it has not been refuted. From what I understand, when secretive information is needed for a trial, we have options for a judge to review the information and withhold it from general public view. Im looking for links as we speak that can articulate it more than just this.

 

[jjones]

<<
Next question: why is it that Bin Laden and his followers are so eager to see the US suffer? No action is done without reason.
>>


Elledan, why do you continue to ask moronic questions? Are serial killers and rapists actions provoked and carried out with sound reasoning behind them? Or are you saying that just because they are terrorists, they must have a reason to be so? Why don't you tell us what his reason is to see that the US suffers and why his actions have reason since you seem to think so.

 

[Red Dawn]

What we are asking Elledan is to believe as we do, that the American Government has absolute proof which it is withholdong for reasons of security. I haven't a problem believing that but you cannot condemn someone who might. And for those wankers who say that Elledan is saying that we deserved those acts of terrorism, STFU or at least stop acting liike a raving lunatic.

 

[Elledan]

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<<
Next question: why is it that Bin Laden and his followers are so eager to see the US suffer? No action is done without reason.
>>


Elledan, why do you continue to ask moronic questions? >>


Thank you for your attempt to insult me. I really appreciate such an obvious sign of maturity.


<< Are serial killers and rapists actions provoked and carried out with sound reasoning behind them? >>

Not sound reasoning, but there's some kind of reasoning behind it, no matter how twisted.
Humans are incapable of acting solely on instinct, they're conscious beings who can not take any action without deciding to do so.


<< Or are you saying that just because they are terrorists, they must have a reason to be so? >>

Was I really that vague?


<< Why don't you tell us what his reason is to see that the US suffers and why his actions have reason since you seem to think so. >>

I see.

You think that people can simply enjoy seeing a whole country suffer. Well, dream on, but I don't buy that story.

There are certain individuals who get pleasant feelings whenever they see someone suffer, but those are exceptions and I don't accept your theory that a whole group of people only wants to see a country suffer because it makes them 'feel good'. Why not another country? Why not Canada, or some Asian country? Russia?

Please, stop insulting and accusing each other of things which are only based on paranoia and prejudice.

 

[Elledan]

<< What we are asking Elledan is to believe as we do, that the American Government has absolute proof which it is withholdong for reasons of security. I haven't a problem believing that but you cannot condemn someone who might. >>


If the US Government says it has suficient evidence and is willing to share this evidence with every country's government who requests proof, who then agree that it is sufficient evidence, then at least some of my doubts will be removed.
Yet I can not put total faith in the words of politicians. Actually no one should.


<< And for those wankers who say that Elledan is saying that we deserved those acts of terrorism, STFU or at least stop acting liike a raving lunatic. >>

Thank you, Red Dawn

 

[Fastball]

Elledan-

If you would pull your head out of your computer for ten minutes, you would have heard bin laden's confession. Please don't be so ignorant as to participate in a current event thread when you obviously aren't following the news. It simply confirms our suspicions.

How dare you even remotely insinuate that the US did something to deserve what happened on 9/11? I pray to God that you aren't living on American soil. If you are an American, you should be beaten and deported.



<< You're a prime example of paranoia >>


We can deal with paranoia; however, you are a prime example of sheer stupidity and should be made an example of.

EDIT: Thank you, God. I just realized that you claim to be in the Netherlands. I sincerely hope you are. I certainly wouldn't be proud to call you a citizen of our great land.

 

[Jzero]

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Next question: why is it that Bin Laden and his followers are so eager to see the US suffer? No action is done without reason.
>>


Elledan, why do you continue to ask moronic questions? Are serial killers and rapists actions provoked and carried out with sound reasoning behind them? Or are you saying that just because they are terrorists, they must have a reason to be so? Why don't you tell us what his reason is to see that the US suffers and why his actions have reason since you seem to think so. >>



Here we go again....

Populus vult decipi.

Some of you guys can't set aside your Nationalism (not to be confused with Patriotism) long enough to realize that the US has been pretty annoying when it comes to dealing with the middle east.
If you think that's a justification for terrorism, please speak now and publicly affirm your ignorance.
These people may be insane nutcases, but they didn't pick the US as their whipping boy by drawing the name of a world power out of a hat. For the Taliban, they may be just using this as an excuse.
But for countless others who are SANE, their distaste for the US has real roots. Get over it. We're not always all that helpful to other nations. Will better policies end terrorism? Probably not. I don't think nothing ever will.
But it would make us some better relationships.

 

[Texmaster]

<< Speak for yourself Tex. While I don't agree with his statement I wasn't insulted by it. In fact I bet you probably were the only person in this thread who was insulted by it. Why don't you calm down a little and stop trying to pigeon hole others into one group or another just because they might not think in Black and White like you obviously do. >>




LOL Dawn Dawn Dawn. Do you really believe I was angry? Annoyed? yes.

You shoudl be instulted by a person asking for proof about a crime the accused already confessed to. Of course if you believe he is being crontrolled by aliens into confessing, well thats your problem



<< With you extremist points of view you have a lot in common with the Taliban who persecuted anybody who didn't believe exactly like they did. >>



That remark is so beneath contempt its hard to believe you actually said it.

Are you so small to believe that a strong opinion has any relation to a terroritst organziation simply because you dont like the opinion?

Its a good thing you took that American Flag off your sig Dawn. You now insult the very freedom of speech and expression it represents.

 

[Jzero]

Uhhh...look at this line:


<< We can deal with paranoia; however, you are a prime example of sheer stupidity and should be made an example of. >>



And now look at this line:


<< How dare you even remotely insinuate that the US did something to deserve what happened on 9/11? I pray to God that you aren't living on American soil. If you are an American, you should be beaten and deported. >>



Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[flavio]

Fsck, jumping all over Elledan for trying to ask questions or think things out a little. Then making huge unfounded assumptions about why.

Ridiculous

 

[StormRider]

<<
I see.

You think that people can simply enjoy seeing a whole country suffer. Well, dream on, but I don't buy that story.

There are certain individuals who get pleasant feelings whenever they see someone suffer, but those are exceptions and I don't accept your theory that a whole group of people only wants to see a country suffer because it makes them 'feel good'. Why not another country? Why not Canada, or some Asian country? Russia?
>>



China, Russia, India, and the Philipines are other nations that have felt bin Laden's wrath. These countries have Muslims separatists and extremists who have trained in bin Laden's terrorist camps. Why do you continue to ignore this?

 

[jjones]

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Next question: why is it that Bin Laden and his followers are so eager to see the US suffer? No action is done without reason.
>>


Elledan, why do you continue to ask moronic questions? >>


Thank you for your attempt to insult me. I really appreciate such an obvious sign of maturity.


<< Are serial killers and rapists actions provoked and carried out with sound reasoning behind them? >>

Not sound reasoning, but there's some kind of reasoning behind it, no matter how twisted.
Humans are incapable of acting solely on instinct, they're conscious beings who can not take any action without deciding to do so.


<< Or are you saying that just because they are terrorists, they must have a reason to be so? >>

Was I really that vague?


<< Why don't you tell us what his reason is to see that the US suffers and why his actions have reason since you seem to think so. >>

I see.

You think that people can simply enjoy seeing a whole country suffer. Well, dream on, but I don't buy that story.

There are certain individuals who get pleasant feelings whenever they see someone suffer, but those are exceptions and I don't accept your theory that a whole group of people only wants to see a country suffer because it makes them 'feel good'. Why not another country? Why not Canada, or some Asian country? Russia?

Please, stop insulting and accusing each other of things which are only based on paranoia and prejudice.
>>


Elledan, I said the question was moronic, not you. If you wish to interpret that as applying to yourself, then so be it.

And we should stop to consider twisted reasoning? To what end? I'm sorry but I don't agree with that and neither do the majority of others. We prefer to remove the folks that operate from twisted reasoning from society and eliminate the possibility that their continued twisted reasoning will impact others.

No, I don't think you are vague at all. I think you sympathize woth terrorists.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about by your last statement. You're the one who said that Osama bin Hidin' wants to see the US suffer. You the one who said his reasoning may have validity. I just asked you to point out what his reasoning may be and why they are valid.

I'm not insulting anyone unless you wish to take it that way. I'm not paranoid or prejudice but that seems to be your typical response when anyone questions your apologist attitudes.

 

[Texmaster]

<< << The only way is through military Tribunal.


Not exactly true. We have ways of keeping national/military secrets secret without tribunals through already existing channels. >>



Name them. and please name the ways foreign intelligence will br protected in public court.



Im unable to detail it off the top of my head, but I've seen it explained several on TV, and it has not been refuted. >>



Then find it. If its been on televsion as is strong enough not to be refuted it should present no problem.



<< From what I understand, when secretive information is needed for a trial, we have options for a judge to review the information and withhold it from general public view. Im looking for links as we speak that can articulate it more than just this. >>



You wont find any that deal with how to protect foreign sources of intelligence in public trial.

These foreign sources simply will not provide the information.

Its too bad you just can't admit you are wrong and move on.

 

[Mrburns2007]

<< Next question: why is it that Bin Laden and his followers are so eager to see the US suffer? No action is done without reason. >>




Bin Laden and his followers want a pure Islamic state and democracy is in direct contrast to that. Also saudi arabia is consider holy land and has alot of symbols of the islamic faith. The problem being that Suadi Arabia is a more modern country and we have military bases there, this greatly offends the followers of the Islamic faith who believe that "infidels" or non-believers should not set foot on Holy Land.

History: Bin Laden left Suadi Arabia and went to afghanistan to fight the soviet invasion when he returned to Saudi Arabia he was hailed as a hero but he quickly angered Saudi Arabia officials when he began critizing the government and trying to inspire people to overthrow the government and replace it with a taliban style government. Saudi Arabia kicked him out of the country and he went to afhganistan were he and the taliban became allies.

 

[Fastball]

<< Some of you guys can't set aside your Nationalism (not to be confused with Patriotism) long enough to realize that the US has been pretty annoying when it comes to dealing with the middle east. >>



Wow, what an intelligent statement. The US is pretty annoying, huh? I always felt it was pretty annoying when Middle Eastern terrorists where bombing our embassies, our ships, our property on US soil, and killing thousands of innocent people. That's pretty annoying.

Why are we hated? The big picture is this -- the US is the most civil and peaceful superpower in existence, so it is our duty to "police" the world. Being the world's "police" makes a lot of enemies, but the fact is that you can't make everyone happy all the time. Who else should do it? China or Russia? LMFAO.

 

[Elledan]

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<<
I see.

You think that people can simply enjoy seeing a whole country suffer. Well, dream on, but I don't buy that story.

There are certain individuals who get pleasant feelings whenever they see someone suffer, but those are exceptions and I don't accept your theory that a whole group of people only wants to see a country suffer because it makes them 'feel good'. Why not another country? Why not Canada, or some Asian country? Russia?
>>



China, Russia, India, and the Philipines are other nations that have felt bin Laden's wrath. These countries have Muslims separatists and extremists who have trained in bin Laden's terrorist camps. Why do you continue to ignore this? >>

Were there any large-scale attacks on these countries like on 9/11? I wouldn't call it Bin Laden's 'wrath', then.

 

[StormRider]

<<
If the US Government says it has suficient evidence and is willing to share this evidence with every country's government who requests proof, who then agree that it is sufficient evidence, then at least some of my doubts will be removed.
Yet I can not put total faith in the words of politicians. Actually no one should.
>>



We already supplied proof to most nations -- and most agreed that bin Laden is guilty. Don't you even read what TexMaster wrote? You have this annoying habit of ignoring answers to your own questions.

Even Pakinstan admited that bin Laden is guilty. The only country we didn't do that with was Afghanistan -- and the Taliban was just trying to buy time (first they said they didn't know where he was then said that he is missing and then said he is under house arrest).

 

[Fastball]

<< If the US Government says it has suficient evidence and is willing to share this evidence with every country's government who requests proof, who then agree that it is sufficient evidence, then at least some of my doubts will be removed. >>



Please leave the forums and crawl back under your rock.