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Vic

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Kavanaugh. One credible witness came forward, but she couldn’t recollect the details and no one allegedly present was willing to confirm what little details were known. Liberals raged on social media and Democrat presidential hopefuls rallied to the victim.

Fairfax. One credible witness came forward who remembers the date, location and explicit details of the encounter, and confided her concerns to a colleague who is now backing her account. Liberals - crickets, or at least for now until they figure out an angle to keep the governor’s mansion, after which the blood sacrifices can begin.

You’re right, they are not the same at all.

Hilarious that you lectured a liberal on this board last night about 'self-inflicted wounds' regarding this issue, and now accuse liberals of being silent about it. Talking out both sides of your mouth, eh?
 

Starbuck1975

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Why did you leave out all the perjury Kavanaugh committed during his defense? Personally I think lying under oath should be disqualifying for a SCOTUS justice. Conservatives apparently did not agree.
You and I have had this discussion. Perjury was the legitimate complaint against Kavanaugh, but Democrats let the hearings turn into the Avenatti circus, and the GOP exploited the distraction to build enough momentum to force Kavanaugh through.

Also, the idea that there are crickets from liberals on Fairfax is absurd, they are doing the exact same thing as with Kavanaugh, saying the accusation should be investigated. Unlike what Republicans did, I suspect Democrats will actually investigate the allegation instead of just saying to make such an allegation is mean and unfair and should be ignored.
What is coming to light is that some Democrats in Virginia were well aware if the allegations against Fairfax, but sat on them. Its only coming to light because the Democrats are turning on their own. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that Northam’s camp torpedoed Fairfax. Senators Warren, Harris, Hirono, Booker and others can weigh in at any time. Crickets. You are being incredibly generous in your assessment.
 

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Hilarious that you lectured a liberal on this board last night about 'self-inflicted wounds' regarding this issue, and now accuse liberals of being silent about it. Talking out both sides of your mouth, eh?
Not sure what your angle is as this situation in Virginia is a Democrat circular firing squad. Your post makes no sense.
 

Vic

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Not sure what your angle is as this situation in Virginia is a Democrat circular firing squad. Your post makes no sense.
I agree. Democrats doing what they do best. So why did you say "Liberals - crickets"?
 

HomerJS

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People make the mistake of treating these cases the same. Let's break down the differences in the allegations

Ford: Grabbed and assaulted spontaneously
Tyson: They were making out and then he forced her to perform oral sex

Ford: Multiple accusers
Tyson: One accuser

Ford: Multiple accusations of bad behavior
Tyson: No additional allegations yet.

Ford: Told someone around the time of the alleged assault.
Tyson: Told nobody around the time of the alleged assault.


So far the only similarity I see is an assault allegation. Tyson deserves a fair hearing but I don't know how that would happen since there is no political venue where both can by put under oath. Maybe both should take a polygraph.

Right now I see 3 possibilities.

1. Fairfax forced himself on her.
2. It was a date that was consensual (they were kissing in a hotel room). He though he had a green light but she wasn't ready to go that far. Date with major misunderstanding.
3. She's making it up to help Northam or the Republicans who see the chance to take out multiple top VA Dems.

So far most are treating this case fairly. No hypocrisy found.
 
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The precedent is already set. Kavanaugh is on the bench. The pussy grabber is in the WH. That some Democrats wanted to set a different precedent doesn't change anything.


Unconfirmed allegations from three decades prior by a very small number of women. Locker room talk.

You're really stretching here. Not like either of these guys used to fly the Lolita Express regularly...
 
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I clarified in my response to @fskimospy. You can’t possibly claim that Dr Tyson is receiving anywhere near the outpouring of support afforded to Dr Ford.

She doesn't really need the support since her allegations have much more in the way of factual specifics (dates, locations) to allow them to be properly investigated. Alleged facts don't require popular support, they can just be proven or disproven on their own merits.
 

HomerJS

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I clarified in my response to @fskimospy. You can’t possibly claim that Dr Tyson is receiving anywhere near the outpouring of support afforded to Dr Ford.
You have no way of measuring that so it's just opinion. Also these cases are not the same and the Tyson allegation just came out. Ford was higher profile because Kavanaugh was applying for a very important lifetime job.
 

fskimospy

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You and I have had this discussion. Perjury was the legitimate complaint against Kavanaugh, but Democrats let the hearings turn into the Avenatti circus, and the GOP exploited the distraction to build enough momentum to force Kavanaugh through.

I don't find whether or not Democrats employed the correct tactics to be relevant here.

What is coming to light is that some Democrats in Virginia were well aware if the allegations against Fairfax, but sat on them. Its only coming to light because the Democrats are turning on their own. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that Northam’s camp torpedoed Fairfax. Senators Warren, Harris, Hirono, Booker and others can weigh in at any time. Crickets. You are being incredibly generous in your assessment.

Nah, they are saying it should be investigated, same as Kavanaugh. The difference here is that it will actually be investigated.
 

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While this has truth for anyone regardless of political leaning, the left today thinks they're always right and fact driven, too smug to realize they're often little more than evangelical liberals running on more emotion than fact.
This is not what peer reviewed science says are the facts, but corresponds exactly with the notion, scientifically proven, that conservatives more than liberals, invent alternate realities based on a desire not to experience negative emotions. What you are doing is called projection which has been made apparent enough in your history that you now know to project projection on liberals too.
 
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HomerJS

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I don't find whether or not Democrats employed the correct tactics to be relevant here.



Nah, they are saying it should be investigated, same as Kavanaugh. The difference here is that it will actually be investigated.
I don't know how that would happen since no hearing is scheduled for Fairfax unless Tyson is going to file charges. Is there a SOL or her allegation.
 

fskimospy

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I don't know how that would happen since no hearing is scheduled for Fairfax unless Tyson is going to file charges. Is there a SOL or her allegation.

The Virginia legislature could investigate it, for one.

I strongly suspect if he does not resign some sort of investigation will occur. I would bet money on it.
 

Vic

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Unconfirmed allegations from three decades prior by a very small number of women. Locker room talk.

You're really stretching here. Not like either of these guys used to fly the Lolita Express regularly...

I'm not stretching anything here. The obvious hypocrites are the ones who insist on holding others to standards that they will not allow themselves to be held to. And with Kavanaugh on the bench, and the pussy grabber who banged a pornstar while his 3rd wife was pregnant is still in the WH, the real hypocrites here are obvious.

I get it that the Democrats wanted to set a different precedent. That they wanted people to believe the woman. But that wasn't the precedent that was set. And I see no reason to change that now just because Republicans want different standards for different people according to their political convenience.
 

HomerJS

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The Virginia legislature could investigate it, for one.

I strongly suspect if he does not resign some sort of investigation will occur. I would bet money on it.
Probably needs to happen. Put both under oath.
 

pmv

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I don't see that a Lt governer of a state and a Supreme Court Justice are of equal significance. I'm sure there are all sorts of accusations against guys all over the world going on right now, but 99% of them nobody has ever heard of. Ergo, it's not hypocrisy if people get more worked up and motivated to protest about cases concerning nationally (arguably, globally) important figures vs those whose importance is largely local.
 
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You and I have had this discussion. Perjury was the legitimate complaint against Kavanaugh, but Democrats let the hearings turn into the Avenatti circus, and the GOP exploited the distraction to build enough momentum to force Kavanaugh through.

What is coming to light is that some Democrats in Virginia were well aware if the allegations against Fairfax, but sat on them. Its only coming to light because the Democrats are turning on their own. It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that Northam’s camp torpedoed Fairfax. Senators Warren, Harris, Hirono, Booker and others can weigh in at any time. Crickets. You are being incredibly generous in your assessment.
Build momentum? WTF is this shit? The GOP limited the FBI investigation length and accepted the report of a Trump appointed official. The Democrats could do nothing to stop it. Democrats let it turn into a circus? What the fuck does that even mean? What specifically should Democrats have done differently?
 
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cytg111

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This is an excellent case study of how Fox injects poison into the minds of its followers, how the state TV propaganda outlet works and what segment of the population most likely to succumb... Without analyzing the data in depth Id wager the group shares alot with that of Scientology and other cults.
 

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While this has truth for anyone regardless of political leaning, the left today thinks they're always right and fact driven, too smug to realize they're often little more than evangelical liberals running on more emotion than fact.
I feel that you are wrong. In all things all the time.
 

dyna

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I'm not stretching anything here. The obvious hypocrites are the ones who insist on holding others to standards that they will not allow themselves to be held to. And with Kavanaugh on the bench, and the pussy grabber who banged a pornstar while his 3rd wife was pregnant is still in the WH, the real hypocrites here are obvious.

I get it that the Democrats wanted to set a different precedent. That they wanted people to believe the woman. But that wasn't the precedent that was set. And I see no reason to change that now just because Republicans want different standards for different people according to their political convenience.

If we are following liberal playbook, he is guilty until proven innocent. He should be shamed in media/social media, there should be a hearing with congress, his victims should be given the benefit of the doubt with result of a a good tar and feathering before all the facts are revealed.
 
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fskimospy

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If we are following liberal playbook, he is guilty until proven innocent. He should be shamed in media/social media, there should be a hearing with congress, his victims should be given the benefit of the doubt with result of a a good tar and feathering before all the facts are revealed.

And to be clear if we are playing from the conservative playbook then any allegation is the product of a multi-year, evil conspiracy against him because people are mad about an election. We should actively block any investigation into the allegations so that after we prevent any investigation we should then claim there’s no evidence to back them up. Also if Fairfax commits perjury in his defense we should ignore that too as it’s only a felony.

I feel that covers it, right?
 

dyna

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And to be clear if we are playing from the conservative playbook then any allegation is the product of a multi-year, evil conspiracy against him because people are mad about an election. We should actively block any investigation into the allegations so that after we prevent any investigation we should then claim there’s no evidence to back them up. Also if Fairfax commits perjury in his defense we should ignore that too as it’s only a felony.

I feel that covers it, right?

...and don't forget the Russians, there are always Russians involved.
 

Vic

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If we are following liberal playbook, he is guilty until proven innocent. He should be shamed in media/social media, there should be a hearing with congress, his victims should be given the benefit of the doubt with result of a a good tar and feathering before all the facts are revealed.

So you're a 'liberal' now? I mean, if you do what they do, how does that make you any different than them?
 

fskimospy

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...and don't forget the Russians, there are always Russians involved.

I’ve never understood this deflection considering liberal complaints about Russian interference all turned out to be true and it’s only Republicans still denying the facts.

Regardless, is any part of my description of conservative reactions to Kavanaugh untrue? Did they allege a conspiracy? Yes. Did they block investigation into the allegations? Yes. Did they ignore obvious perjury by Kavanaugh? Yes.
 
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