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Take pic of ATM being reloaded, go to jail

Modelworks

Lifer
Feb 22, 2007
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This shows how a small thing can be made into a major deal.
Granted the guy was somewhat of a jerk, I would have just showed them the pic I took and talked it out.
Be careful where you use those camera phones ! You could be casing the joint !

http://iamshane.com/2009/05/09/of-atms-iphones-and-911/

Today I was shopping at the downtown Seattle REI. I was about to buy a Thule hitch mount bike rack. They were out of the piece that locks the bike rack into the hitch. So I was in the customer service line to special order one. It was a long line and while I was waiting, I saw two of guys (employees of Loomis, as I later learned) refilling the ATM.

I walked over and took a picture with my iPhone of them and more interestingly of the open ATM. I took the picture because I?m fascinated by the insides of things that we don?t normally get to see. I did not take the picture to case the joint. I did not take the picture to threaten the safety of the two Loomis fake cops with their bulletproof vests, hip side pistols and very fragile egos. I did not take the picture to make it easier for anyone else to rob this or any other ATM. I just like to see things that I don?t normally get to see. (Just like when I was in Vancouver, BC with Fall Out Boy, I got to see the stage being constructed? and took pictures of it.)

They saw me take the picture. After they were done filling the machine with money, the one with the shaved head came over to me in line and said:

Him
When you?re done over here, come talk to me.
Me
No, thanks.
Him
Don?t try to leave. I will tackle you.
Me
No, you won?t.
Him
I?ll call the cops.
Me
I can?t stop you.

He went back to the ATM and conferred with his partner who was then making a call on his cell phone. My turn came up in line. I went to the counter. While ordering my part hitch lock at the desk, the real story started.

The Loomis guys wanted me to give them my ID so they could write a report about me for their bosses because I took the picture of them and the open ATM. The REI security people that had been called in by now wanted the same thing. I told them plainly that I?m not in the habit of giving my ID to people just because they want it, especially fake cops who put money in box and get to play at being real cops.

Their whole reason for freaking out at me is that they didn?t know who I am or what I planned on doing with that picture. I told them I didn?t particularly care what they did or did not about me or my intentions. All I did was take a picture of two people working with a machine out in the open in front of dozens of people. And besides, I?m sure if you spent a couple minutes searching Google, you could find pictures much higher quality, schematics, hacks? any number of things about ATMs. And again, this was being done in broad day light in front of dozens of people. Hardly trade secrets.

So? back to the Loomis guys, REI loss prevention officers and cops.

We go back and forth about why I took it and don?t see it as a problem versus why they think it?s somehow threatening their personal safety and their property?s safety. They?re trying to convince me to give my ID to the Loomis guys to write their report. I?m trying to convince them to go fuck themselves that I didn?t do anything illegal or otherwise wrong and that Loomis doesn?t have any jurisdiction to compel me to give them my ID. Round and round, over and over. Until?

That was when Officer GE Abed (#6270) spun me around and put handcuffs on me. They took me out the back door to the loading garage, put me in the back of Seattle Police car #805. We sat there for a few minutes then they took me down to Seattle Police Department West Precinct. I sat in a holding cell for about 30 minutes still in cuffs.

After they were done filing their reports or whatever behind their two-way mirrored wall, Sergeant William Robertson came into the holding cell. He said basically all the same things that the Loomis duo, REI head loss prevention officer (Paula), Officer Debra Pelich and Officer GE Abed already said several times. We danced back and forth until I said I didn?t feel like talking around in circles again and asked if we were done.

He took me out of the cell and took off the cuffs, had me sign a ?You have been trespassed by REI and can?t go back for a year? form then Officer Abed walked me out the door. And that was that.

A few things that happened that I thought were especially ironical were:

1. As I was being cuffed another, REI customer took a picture of me and the cops with his iPhone (the same act that started this whole chain of events).
2. After being worried about me taking a picture of the inside of an ATM, Officer Debra Pelich typed in the code to open the garage door to the police station right in front of me without hiding the keypad at all. Classic.
3. They never wanted to see the picture or wanted me to delete it. (To me, that says this was never about sensitive information or whatever. It was all about power and exerting it.)
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: krylon
Since when are blogs news sites. Ban.

Since when is posting an article a bannable offense?

ban.
 

krylon

Diamond Member
Nov 17, 2001
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Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: krylon
Since when are blogs news sites. Ban.

Since when is posting an article a bannable offense?

ban.

He's probably pimping his own dumb site. Ban you for requesting to ban a ban request! ban
 

mugs

Lifer
Apr 29, 2003
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What an ass. Armored car drivers aren't pretending to be cops, they wear vests and carry guns because they carry an assload of money that people would like to steal.
 

Beev

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Apr 20, 2006
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That guy was well within his rights, and the ATM fillers were fucks.
 

Modelworks

Lifer
Feb 22, 2007
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Originally posted by: krylon
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: krylon
Since when are blogs news sites. Ban.

Since when is posting an article a bannable offense?

ban.

He's probably pimping his own dumb site. Ban you for requesting to ban a ban request! ban

I love when people on forums pretend to know the mind of others.
I hear the enquirer is hiring for the psychic position.
 

Jeeebus

Diamond Member
Aug 29, 2006
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Originally posted by: krylon
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: krylon
Since when are blogs news sites. Ban.

Since when is posting an article a bannable offense?

ban.

He's probably pimping his own dumb site. Ban you for requesting to ban a ban request! ban

ban for ... omg neverending <head asplode>
 

oiprocs

Diamond Member
Jun 20, 2001
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Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: krylon
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: krylon
Since when are blogs news sites. Ban.

Since when is posting an article a bannable offense?

ban.

He's probably pimping his own dumb site. Ban you for requesting to ban a ban request! ban

I love when people on forums pretend to know the mind of others.
I hear the enquirer is hiring for the psychic position.

Okay now that's worthy of a ban.
 

scott916

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Mar 2, 2005
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I probably would have done the same thing. If you don't stand up for your rights, you don't deserve them.
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: scorpious
Originally posted by: Modelworks
Originally posted by: krylon
Originally posted by: Ns1
Originally posted by: krylon
Since when are blogs news sites. Ban.

Since when is posting an article a bannable offense?

ban.

He's probably pimping his own dumb site. Ban you for requesting to ban a ban request! ban

I love when people on forums pretend to know the mind of others.
I hear the enquirer is hiring for the psychic position.

Okay now that's worthy of a ban.

Nope, not quite yet. Close, but no ban. Ban for you for implying the ban though.
 

lokiju

Lifer
May 29, 2003
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Guy was a douche but they were tripping also.

If they could have shown or cited some code or law that stated it was required to obtain his personal information for the act then that should have shut the guy up and ended it all but as usual it's their word against yours and it then becomes a battle of wills.
 

nakedfrog

No Lifer
Apr 3, 2001
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I think I would have left before the cops showed up... wouldn't a crime have to have been committed in order for them to legally detain him?
 

Eli

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I'm with him. He didn't do anything wrong, the "cops" were asshats. He stood up for his rights, and should never have been taken to jail in the first place.
 

xanis

Lifer
Sep 11, 2005
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Originally posted by: SagaLore
That's it? Is there a conclusion to this, or was he an ass for nothing?

Sounds like there was a load of douchebaggery on behalf of both involved parties.
 

Modelworks

Lifer
Feb 22, 2007
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Originally posted by: lokiju
Guy was a douche but they were tripping also.

If they could have shown or cited some code or law that stated it was required to obtain his personal information for the act then that should have shut the guy up and ended it all but as usual it's their word against yours and it then becomes a battle of wills.

I think the whole situation could have been prevented had they all just taken a deep breath and thought about it. I don't think anyone had any malice at the start but when the emotions got into it........
 

James Bond

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Jan 21, 2005
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How is that legal for the cop to just grab him and take him to jail like that? Did he have his rights read to him? What crime did he commit??
 

I Saw OJ

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Dec 13, 2004
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Originally posted by: James Bond
How is that legal for the cop to just grab him and take him to jail like that? Did he have his rights read to him? What crime did he commit??

Sounds like he was just held while they figured out he didnt do anything wrong. No need to read him his rights.
 

Xcobra

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Oct 19, 2004
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Originally posted by: James Bond
How is that legal for the cop to just grab him and take him to jail like that? Did he have his rights read to him? What crime did he commit??

exactly my thought.
 

TallBill

Lifer
Apr 29, 2001
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Originally posted by: I Saw OJ
Originally posted by: James Bond
How is that legal for the cop to just grab him and take him to jail like that? Did he have his rights read to him? What crime did he commit??

Sounds like he was just held while they figured out he didnt do anything wrong. No need to read him his rights.

Yup.
 

James Bond

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Jan 21, 2005
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Originally posted by: TallBill
Originally posted by: I Saw OJ
Originally posted by: James Bond
How is that legal for the cop to just grab him and take him to jail like that? Did he have his rights read to him? What crime did he commit??

Sounds like he was just held while they figured out he didnt do anything wrong. No need to read him his rights.

Yup.

Yeah, so it's legal to detain someone, but I didn't know it was legal to actually take them to the station for the detaining.

In this case I would have thought they could cuff him, figure it out on-site, then release.
 

RedRooster

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Sep 14, 2000
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Shoulda tased him. Frickin douche. Shoulda given him a baton in the gut just to be sure.