Taiwan 101 - The world's tallest skyscraper

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HamSupLo

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wow this thing will make a great target for the thousand Chinese missiles across the strait!
 
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Originally posted by: deftron
There will be taller buildings

including the new world trade center... but the tallest will be in United Arab Emirates..

with a roof taller than anyones poles
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Yawn. There have been 1000 proposed projects that would dwarf anything currently in existence. Anyone can draw up a building of any height and claim that they're going for the world record, but when it comes time to put up or shut up, the money evaporates. Current engineering abilities would easily allow for a building to top 2000', but it becomes very impractical. Once beyond 800 or so feet it becomes counter-productive to go taller. The logistics of getting people into and out of the building efficiently gets hampered with additional height. Add in the extra elevators needed to service additional stories and you lose precious floor space and the rent that space generates. You can make more money with a shorter structure that makes better use of the available space.

When it comes down to it, all the super skyscrapers are just monuments to the ego of the builder and Freudian penis envy taken to the ultimate level. It's a matter of "mine is bigger than yours" and during the right economic times people have the money to waste on making a building taller without being able to recoup that investment in rents. Right about now things don't look good for such wasteful projects. The US economy is too uncertain. The Pacific rim bubble burst and hundreds of proposed projects got scrapped. The mid-east? I don't think so, they might have the cash, but they've also got more space than they know what to do with. Land is cheap and plentiful and a 1500'+ ft tower would be stupid beyond belief. A series of smaller towers would be far better financially and also offer less of a target in such an unstable region. Call me when they break ground on that monster in Dubai, but I won't be holding my breath. The 6000' ft tower that's proposed in my head has just as good a chance of seeing the light of day.
 
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Marshallj

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Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
[When it comes down to it, all the super skyscrapers are just monuments to the ego of the builder and Freudian penis envy taken to the ultimate level.
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Penis Envy? That's REEEALLLY stretching it...

The last thing I think of when I see a skyscraper is something phallic. Maybe a case of one-upmanship, but penis envy? I don't think so. I think it's just one-upmanship, such as people competing to have the fastest car, the most money, the best song, be the smartest, paint the best painting, etc. It's just competition, nothing sexual about it.
 
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Originally posted by: Imdmn04
Originally posted by: N8Magic
Still not as tall as the CN Tower. (1815' 5")

:D
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that doesnt count, thats like adding a toothpick to your dick and say it is longer than it acutally is.
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hahaha thats hilarious. That is a pretty cool tower.
 
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dighn

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Originally posted by: coolred
The world's tallest building in one of the world's most earthquake-prone countries? Could be really bad if a big one hits.
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Actually I was also watching a show about buildings the other day on TLC or discovery, and it was talking about how tall skyscrapers are actually less prone to damage from earthquakes, as opposed to normal buildings. Something to do with the fact that they can move and sway or something. I'm not saying an earthquake wouldn't take this thing down, but its complicated.
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yeah i saw that too. something about the resonance frequency of normal buildings cause them to be more suspetible to earth quake vibrations than taller buildings
 
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deftron

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Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: deftron
There will be taller buildings

including the new world trade center... but the tallest will be in United Arab Emirates..

with a roof taller than anyones poles
Click to expand...

Yawn. There have been 1000 proposed projects that would dwarf anything currently in existence. Anyone can draw up a building of any height and claim that they're going for the world record, but when it comes time to put up or shut up, the money evaporates. Current engineering abilities would easily allow for a building to top 2000', but it becomes very impractical. Once beyond 800 or so feet it becomes counter-productive to go taller. The logistics of getting people into and out of the building efficiently gets hampered with additional height. Add in the extra elevators needed to service additional stories and you lose precious floor space and the rent that space generates. You can make more money with a shorter structure that makes better use of the available space.

When it comes down to it, all the super skyscrapers are just monuments to the ego of the builder and Freudian penis envy taken to the ultimate level. It's a matter of "mine is bigger than yours" and during the right economic times people have the money to waste on making a building taller without being able to recoup that investment in rents. Right about now things don't look good for such wasteful projects. The US economy is too uncertain. The Pacific rim bubble burst and hundreds of proposed projects got scrapped. The mid-east? I don't think so, they might have the cash, but they've also got more space than they know what to do with. Land is cheap and plentiful and a 1500'+ ft tower would be stupid beyond belief. A series of smaller towers would be far better financially and also offer less of a target in such an unstable region. Call me when they break ground on that monster in Dubai, but I won't be holding my breath. The 6000' ft tower that's proposed in my head has just as good a chance of seeing the light of day.
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They're breaking ground on it this month

Skyscrapers are not rare in UAE.

They have the World's tallest hotel

and Towers in the top ten


 
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deftron

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The tallest building ever propsed is the X-Seed 4000
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Over 13,000 feet tall..

It was suposed to be a mini city inside of Tokyo modeled after Mt. Fuji


Mostly just a pipe dream, however, like the floating city Freedom Ship and the Gibraltar Bridge

 
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YaKuZa

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Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Yawn. There have been 1000 proposed projects that would dwarf anything currently in existence. Anyone can draw up a building of any height and claim that they're going for the world record, but when it comes time to put up or shut up, the money evaporates. Current engineering abilities would easily allow for a building to top 2000', but it becomes very impractical. Once beyond 800 or so feet it becomes counter-productive to go taller. The logistics of getting people into and out of the building efficiently gets hampered with additional height. Add in the extra elevators needed to service additional stories and you lose precious floor space and the rent that space generates. You can make more money with a shorter structure that makes better use of the available space.

When it comes down to it, all the super skyscrapers are just monuments to the ego of the builder and Freudian penis envy taken to the ultimate level. It's a matter of "mine is bigger than yours" and during the right economic times people have the money to waste on making a building taller without being able to recoup that investment in rents. Right about now things don't look good for such wasteful projects. The US economy is too uncertain. The Pacific rim bubble burst and hundreds of proposed projects got scrapped. The mid-east? I don't think so, they might have the cash, but they've also got more space than they know what to do with. Land is cheap and plentiful and a 1500'+ ft tower would be stupid beyond belief. A series of smaller towers would be far better financially and also offer less of a target in such an unstable region. Call me when they break ground on that monster in Dubai, but I won't be holding my breath. The 6000' ft tower that's proposed in my head has just as good a chance of seeing the light of day.
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This is not true for a country like Taiwan where land is scarce.

Originally posted by: Imdmn04
that doesnt count, thats like adding a toothpick to your dick and say it is longer than it acutally is.
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lol...



 
Amused

Amused

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Originally posted by: brxndxn
yup. If you ever have been in a skyscraper during a day with some slight wind, you will notice that it sways in the wind so it doesnt fully resist all that air pressure. I'm going to assume that it would also help during an earthquake, as it would be more fluid, as opposed to the rigid structure of a normal building
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I think the buildings are much more rigid than everyone thinks.. I read somewhere in an engineering publication that said from top to bottom, the Sears Tower only flexes 6 inches in 100mph wind. Chicago is the windy city.
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Chicago isn't called "The Windy City" because of the weather.
 
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Kenazo

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Originally posted by: deftron
The Shanghai World Financial Center (kinda ironic for a communist country)

looks much more impressive.

The roof is way taller than any other skyscaper, going all the way to the top.

Plus the hole in the middle of it is very ineresting
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Great Link! :D thumbs up for you. I like that the new designs are a lot more asthetically pleasing, If you look at some of the old towers, like the Empires State, the Chrysler, etc They seemed to have a lot more class than say the WTC, which was just a huge concrete rectangle. Those middle eastern, and pacific rim designs look awesome!
 
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CarpeDeo

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I was in Taiwan when they were building this! It looks like a buncha stacked ikea cups
 
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benliong

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
the CN tower might be a toothpick, but the world's largest phallic symbol is the university of texas tower, which goes from its regular white to reddish when we're happy
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The color change is very cool. I want to see it change color. So what does it take to make you guys happy? how much money do you want?
 
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pecel

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Originally posted by: deftron
The tallest building ever propsed is the X-Seed 4000
m
Over 13,000 feet tall..

It was suposed to be a mini city inside of Tokyo modeled after Mt. Fuji


Mostly just a pipe dream, however, like the floating city Freedom Ship and the Gibraltar Bridge
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So?
They got turned down?
 
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Alphazero

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Originally posted by: EvilYoda
wow, cool stuff....1km/minute...that's 60km/hr...that's like what...35 miles/hour? Residential speeds going UP a building. :D

Can't wait to visit Taiwan after it's built...
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Better have sick bags on that elevator...
 
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NewSc2

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Originally posted by: Elitebull
Isn't the new WTC design supposed to be even taller than that?
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yeah, check out some of the posted pictures inside this thread for a comparison
 
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dawks

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Originally posted by: pecel
Originally posted by: deftron
The tallest building ever propsed is the X-Seed 4000
m
Over 13,000 feet tall..

It was suposed to be a mini city inside of Tokyo modeled after Mt. Fuji


Mostly just a pipe dream, however, like the floating city Freedom Ship and the Gibraltar Bridge
Click to expand...

So?
They got turned down?
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The plan behind it was to have a fully self contained city inside, like said above.. not exactly a mini city though with the goal being over 400,000 people.. (so I was told)..

You dont happen to have several trillion dollars laying around to build it do you? Its all about the $$$$.
 
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