Syria False Flag Poll

[Fern]

All I know is it's used by people who think our government is simultaneously evil geniuses and inept.

That was you guys' claim when Bush was President.

Fern

 

[dank69]

That was you guys' claim when Bush was President.

Fern

I didn't even know this site existed when Bush was President.

 

[sm625]

No. While I've lost confidence in Obama's ability I don't he's stupid enough to both unwisely make the "red line" comment and then compound it by faking a poison gas attack to ensure that he's in an unwinnable position with no good options.

Fern

It's called hubris. World War II, which resulted in over 100 million deaths was initiated by a single false flag event, The Gleiwitz incident. They do it because they know they can get away with it. They dont just think it, they know it. Because naive sheeple have to die by the millions before they understand.

 

[Zargon]

I can't help but be embarrassed by the fact that our leaders seem to think they are in some moral position to dictate to others. They say that this behavior must be punished. Who the hell are we to hand out the punishment? And where are we every time there is genocide in a non strategic part of the world? Anyone can see through this BS and at this point its just embarrassing.
Also, the US wages chemical warfare against its own people on a much larger scale in the name of pharmaceuticals for profit at all costs. Shit drugs that cause more harm than good or simply don't work.

missed this earlier.

genocide all over in lower africa, hell we feed some of them arms

latin america? same shit.

we do nothing

oh you have oil? shit we care now!

 

[Gintaras]

It's called hubris. World War II, which resulted in over 100 million deaths was initiated by a single false flag event, The Gleiwitz incident. They do it because they know they can get away with it. They dont just think it, they know it. Because naive sheeple have to die by the millions before they understand.

I do know that too...Just wonder if I'll be alive before Nuremberg Trial II starts....Or all those warmongers, war criminals will be alive too - to go to Nuremberg Trial II...

HISTORY does the same as in 1930-1940: Germany didn't take right away on Russia, first it were smaller countries: Belgium, France, Holland...etc...
Same now: Afghanistan, Iraq, Egypt, Syria...

Same cause: Financial Crisis...Germany, depression in US back then...

Sooner or later, it will be: Russia, China....US is cornered and have nothing to loose: trillions of $$$ of debt that they never plan to return neither have no money to repay the debt... OR ELSE...and Oil is needed to fight a bigger war...

Americans should stay calm, The War will be on TV - Prime TV...Price of Commercials during War will be skyhigh...not everyday it happens...So, McDonald, Coca Cola might cost you more that usual during Wartime...

 

[GrGr]

A famous false flag operation was orchestrated by a NKVD unit to give Stalin the pretext to invade Finland. This was the trigger to the Winter War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Mainila

It makes no sense for Assad to give the West/Israel the one big excuse they need to bomb his entire nation to smitereens, in return for an insignificant local tactical victory.

The 'gas attack' (whatever it was) has all the fingerprints of a false flag propaganda op.

 

[Gintaras]

A famous false flag operation was orchestrated by a NKVD unit to give Stalin the pretext to invade Finland. This was the trigger to the Winter War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Mainila

It makes no sense for Assad to give the West/Israel the one big excuse they need to bomb his entire nation to smitereens, in return for an insignificant local tactical victory.

The 'gas attack' (whatever it was) has all the fingerprints of a false flag propaganda op.

OWN SHIT DOES NOT SMELL? DOES IT? JUST SOMEONE ELSE'S..

9/11 was not a False Flag? 1939 September 1st?...Not a False Flag?

 

[werepossum]

I don't think "mistake" is the correct term.

But wanted to say that I've heard he ad-libbed that remark. I.e., it wasn't part of the written speech but he decided to add it.

You make a good point about having a contingency plan in place, especially after the gas attack last year brought the possibility into the fore.

Fern

I'm sure the military had at least a couple contingency plans, but they don't happen immediately. The President has to weigh them and select one, then the pieces have to be moved into position, intelligence gathered, the operation war gamed, the operation practiced (at least with simulations), potential problems winkled out, contingency plans developed for those potential problems, and those pieces moved into place. Takes time, and if there is time, a military operation always benefits from time spent in planning and rehearsal. True, from a credibility standpoint a strike needs to be as soon as possible, but while credibility is important it isn't the only important thing. It's one thing to plan a retaliatory strike for crossing the red line, quite another to inadvertently send aircraft over a high tech AD site. Same with bombing that juicy C3 site without looking to see if there is a day care recently built next to it. Military contingency plans take into account known threats and sensitive collateral damage spots but cannot devote the resources to such really detailed pre-strike intelligence gathering, yet that kind of intel is essential for sending in military forces.

Hopefully Obama is also working on "war gaming" military and especially political responses to and consequences of a strike, as well as pondering the chances that our determination will turn out to be flawed and the subsequent consequences of that.

Bottom line, while I'd prefer a swift reaction, I can see a lot of things that argue against that.

 

[tortillasoup]

I have my own theory... this is a false flag but not by the U.S or its allies but by a terrorist organization so that we get drawn into this conflict. They know what Obama said about chemical weapons and so they're testing him on it. Seems like we're going to get drawn into this conflict due to Obama not wanting to appear weak.

 

[Broheim]

I doubt any chemical weapon attacks in Syria were perpetrated by the Assad regime, it seems much more likely it's the work of religious extremists on the rebel side or perhaps a local commander of the Syrian forces. Assad knows it will do nothing but force the west to react, something he obviously does not want.

honestly, Assad is the lesser of two evils here. The rebels are made up of terrorists and extremists, and should they come to power then anyone who isn't a sunni is going to have a bad time.

 

[Doppel]

There was also this, approved by high levels of US gov but, fortunately, not by the president:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods Joint chiefs signed off on it, do you think a tit like Bush junior would have nixed it? Very possibly not. After all, he didn't nix the intellectual equivalent, which was the intelligence for the Iraq war.

The US is definitely capable of perpetrating a false flag event and only a fool thinks otherwise. I just don't think it would do it in this matter, over Syria, but for a more important matter certainly it is capable of it.

 

[nf4m]

CIA has been arming syrian rebels for who knows how long. of course it was an inside job.

 

[fskimospy]

This thread is really illuminating, I have to say. Nearly half of the people on this board who chose to take an anonymous poll believe that the US government has deliberately orchestrated a chemical weapons attack on more than a thousand civilians in Syria in order to give a pretext to bomb the country.

All this despite the fact that the actions of the US government show a clear desire not to get involved in this conflict, the lack of a clear positive outcome for US involvement, lack of clear, unequivocal support for the rebels, and a lack of any evidence for US complicity.

Baffling. Then again this thread has already revealed a few truthers too, so maybe that's just how it goes.

 

[peonyu]

This thread is really illuminating, I have to say. Nearly half of the people on this board who chose to take an anonymous poll believe that the US government has deliberately orchestrated a chemical weapons attack on more than a thousand civilians in Syria in order to give a pretext to bomb the country.

All this despite the fact that the actions of the US government show a clear desire not to get involved in this conflict, the lack of a clear positive outcome for US involvement, lack of clear, unequivocal support for the rebels, and a lack of any evidence for US complicity.

Baffling. Then again this thread has already revealed a few truthers too, so maybe that's just how it goes.

What did you expect though ? This country has a history of lying to its citizens to do what it wants, and it was not to long ago that WMDs were used as a lie to invade a country [Iraq]. What your seeing is a lack of trust in the Government and really, its smart to be that way.


Personally I think the rebels used gas in Syria - IF gas was actually used. And this country DOES have its hands involved in Syria, it wasnt to long ago that John McCain was in Syria and had his picture taken with a Jihadist Rebel who cut some people's heads off a week prior. Considering that you can lump me in with the truthers [even though i dont believe in that conspiracy theory]!

 

[Matt1970]

Just like it was ridiculous to think that we had nothing to do with 9/11?

People wake the fuck up. Things just don't happen by coincidence. There are puppets, and there are puppet masters. Guess who had a hand in pulling some of the strings.

Us wake up? No, why don't you go back to sleep. Edward Snowden is proof our govenrment couldn't pull off 9/11 and keep people quiet. We can't even keep a small group of IT guys quiet about a spying program but we are going to keep hundreds of people quiet about our government murdering thousands of it's own citizens just so we can go to war and lose thousands more soldiers?

 

[Anarchist420]

Us wake up? No, why don't you go back to sleep. Edward Snowden is proof our govenrment couldn't pull off 9/11 and keep people quiet.

No, because the govt would have not only have his life on him but also those of his friends and family. Also, sufficient clear and concise proof from govt documents may have been impossible to find... there is only but so much he could pull up as one person without the govt granting an FOIA request. Operation Northwoods wasn't revealed until well after it was proposed. The govt actively hides details on JFK's assassination almost a full half century after his assassination.

I can't believe that so many people who claim to dislike Obama so much believe him that Bin Laden was alive when the former took office.

 

[Matt1970]

No, because the govt would have not only have his life on him but also those of his friends and family. Also, sufficient clear and concise proof from govt documents may have been impossible to find... there is only but so much he could pull up as one person without the govt granting an FOIA request. Operation Northwoods wasn't revealed until well after it was proposed. The govt actively hides details on JFK's assassination almost a full half century after his assassination.

I can't believe that so many people who claim to dislike Obama so much believe him that Bin Laden was alive when the former took office.

Hogwash. Operation Northwoods was a series of false flag proposals over 50 years ago. Someone in the Goverment now a days can't fart without someone leaking to the press what is smelled like.

 

[dank69]

No, because the govt would have not only have his life on him but also those of his friends and family. Also, sufficient clear and concise proof from govt documents may have been impossible to find... there is only but so much he could pull up as one person without the govt granting an FOIA request. Operation Northwoods wasn't revealed until well after it was proposed. The govt actively hides details on JFK's assassination almost a full half century after his assassination.

I can't believe that so many people who claim to dislike Obama so much believe him that Bin Laden was alive when the former took office.

I'm with Matt here. BushCo. couldn't even plant WMDs in Iraq yet they were able to keep the thousands of people required to pull off 911 quiet? Like I said before, simultaneously genius and inept.

 

[monovillage]

What's baffling is that any US citizen has any sort of trust in our government, especially this administration. Trust is something that is earned and our government hasn't made a payment in 30 years.

 

[bradley]

I like that more people are awakening, 41% vote for "Yes, just like in Iraq, Libya, etc"... not too shabby. The possibilities are definitely there and have been for more than a decade. Can't change it from happening, so might as well benefit somehow a la Cheney.

 

[fskimospy]

What did you expect though ? This country has a history of lying to its citizens to do what it wants, and it was not to long ago that WMDs were used as a lie to invade a country [Iraq]. What your seeing is a lack of trust in the Government and really, its smart to be that way.


Personally I think the rebels used gas in Syria - IF gas was actually used. And this country DOES have its hands involved in Syria, it wasnt to long ago that John McCain was in Syria and had his picture taken with a Jihadist Rebel who cut some people's heads off a week prior. Considering that you can lump me in with the truthers [even though i dont believe in that conspiracy theory]!

All I want is for people to use their heads. Blind trust in government is bad, but blind conspiracy mongering is just as bad. Anyone who understood the US foreign policy posture towards Syria would know we had no interest in involvement and this happening has greatly complicated our position.

If Obama wanted to bomb Syria he could have done so on a dozen of other justifications. The people who think the government was behind this are either ignorant of the situation or illogical.

 

[Anarchist420]

I'm with Matt here. BushCo. couldn't even plant WMDs in Iraq yet they were able to keep the thousands of people required to pull off 911 quiet? Like I said before, simultaneously genius and inept.

Bush didn't have to keep 1000s of people quiet... one reason is because it is in their own self-interest to keep it quiet. And not everyone has been quiet. I guess you've never seen the interview with Larry Silverstein or seen the records of his transactions with insurance companies.

The MSM will definitely keep quiet because if the truth about 9/11 was ever revealed then they'd go out of business and that would also cause necessary short-term disorder.

Bush and co would definitely also have people murdered if they didn't keep quiet. I guess you don't remember Paul Wellstone.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Bush didn't have to keep 1000s of people quiet... one reason is because it is in their own self-interest to keep it quiet. And not everyone has been quiet. I guess you've never seen the interview with Larry Silverstein or seen the records of his transactions with insurance companies.

The MSM will definitely keep quiet because if the truth about 9/11 was ever revealed then they'd go out of business and that would also cause necessary short-term disorder.

Bush and co would definitely also have people murdered if they didn't keep quiet. I guess you don't remember Paul Wellstone.

The logistics required alone to pull off such a conspiracy is mind boggling. 1000s of people would have been involved fir support. And not one has a hint on what they were doing. Let alone their families.

Try again


You have nothing but tin foil and pilot error with respect to Wellstone.

 

[jackstar7]

What's baffling is that any US citizen has any sort of trust in our government, especially this administration. Trust is something that is earned and our government hasn't made a payment in 30 years.

Do tell. Why is this one special?

 

[StrangerGuy]

As a chemist is it really hard to see how this be a false flag op when Saddam used to make them next door, and they aren't not hard to make too.