Syria False Flag Poll

[Doppel]

I picked the middle one because no others were great for me; I actually meant perpetrated by Syria; I don't think the US gov had a part in gassing people.

The truth is I don't think the US was involved in a false flag in Syria. I am thinking there are very good odds that the rebels were--say 35% they did it and 65% Assad did. And those are not at all strong enough numbers to go in guns blazing.

 

[monovillage]

My opinion at this moment is that it was a Al Queda faction that used the gas in order to promote an extreme reaction from the western nations.

 

[First]

OP is funnay/sad.

 

[dank69]

Using the term "false flag" flags the user as a kook.

 

[woolfe9998]

Using the term "false flag" flags the user as a kook.

That and my all time fave, "sheeple."

I wonder if 40% of the active P&N posters really are kooks, or is this just a bunch of anti-Obama people who know better trying to seed the poll. I suppose the former is a little worse than the latter, but neither is all that laudable.

 

[werepossum]

Sweet lord! I didn't bother to vote because I could not possibly have an informed and meaningful opinion, but I was curious as to what Wolfe had posted so I came in and then looked at the poll results. Freakin' embarrassing.

 

[PokerGuy]

It's ridiculous to think we had anything to do with a chemical attack.

What is entirely feasible is that we'll take advantage of the attack, blame the wrong party, and respond aggressively as an excuse to continue feeding the military industrial complex.

Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

 

[Linux23]

Just like it was ridiculous to think that we had nothing to do with 9/11?

People wake the fuck up. Things just don't happen by coincidence. There are puppets, and there are puppet masters. Guess who had a hand in pulling some of the strings.

 

[Zargon]

need more options, Im more apt to beleive the claims it was al qaeda or another 3rd party looking to get us stupidily further extended and spending billions we dont have, tho I voted yes, because if we already know it wasnt assad and we act like it was(like we ar enow with almost zero proof) it might as well have been us

 

[nageov3t]

I don't think so.

but I also don't think it matters... chemical attack or not, there's no reason the US should be involved in Syria unless it's a supporting role in a UN-driven effort.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Had the US wanted to use gas attacks as a reason to attack they had opportunities to do so before now. I think Obama was trying to avoid intervention that he doesn't think he can win.

I think he was right, but now has changed his mind for political reasons and this bombing will be a mistake. Hard to see a good outcome out of this.

You never, ever draw a hard line. That's about as stupid a thing as can be done because you paint yourself into a corner which leaves you being either a coward or warmonger. Pick one, because there isn't a third.

So yes, I can see him joining in on the killing when there's not even a clear understanding of whom we should be supporting, if anyone.

All because of a red line and politics.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Using the term "false flag" flags the user as a kook.

I wonder of people know what a "false flag" is.

 

[dank69]

I wonder of people know what a "false flag" is.

All I know is it's used by people who think our government is simultaneously evil geniuses and inept.

 

[fskimospy]

I wish this had been a public poll so we could see who the insane people were.

 

[fskimospy]

You never, ever draw a hard line. That's about as stupid a thing as can be done because you paint yourself into a corner which leaves you being either a coward or warmonger. Pick one, because there isn't a third.

So yes, I can see him joining in on the killing when there's not even a clear understanding of whom we should be supporting, if anyone.

All because of a red line and politics.

Yeap. It is baffling to me that he did not appear to have a contingency plan in place for what would happen if chemical weapons were used there in spite of his warning. Even if he just said 'red line' by mistake, the very first thing I would have been doing was coming up with that plan after I got off the podium.

There had to at least be some sort of consequence, and there wasn't. Dumb.

 

[dank69]

I wish this had been a public poll so we could see who the insane people were.

We all know who they are. Nutters also tend to be very vocal and love them some RP.

 

[jackstar7]

Where is the poll option for, "You're retarded."?

I'll be the third voter for this option.

 

[actuarial]

Using the term "false flag" flags the user as a kook.

In the context of the actual poll, yes, but I don't think it's a stretch to say that this was potentially a false flag attack (perpetrated by the Syrian rebels).

I assumed that was what the thread was about until I saw the batshit crazy poll.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

All I know is it's used by people who think our government is simultaneously evil geniuses and inept.

Sadly true, but the last administration showed there were elements of both. Sometimes someone wants something so bad that even their good intentions (from their perspective, not automatically others) that they will do evil things to accomplish them and yes sometimes they are inept. They delude themselves.

As someone said, this could very well be a "false flag" of the rebels doing, and I think that is a real possibility. A certainty? No, but in my mind there is enough doubt that I could see our acting against "the enemy" to find that we struck the wrong bad guys.

I'm not a fan of death and dismemberment to begin with, and being played to get us to participate by trickery is something I would not appreciate to say the least.

Our gassing people in order to enter into a war? I think Bat Boy from the tabloids would be a more likely suspect.

 

[Thebobo]

Its all about the $$

Stocks in companys that make war toys went up!

 

[Anarchist420]

That's the standard we've fallen to for critical thinking skills? How about you at least attempt to pull some evidence out of your ass.

Well, given that I believe that the U.S. govt ordered the attacks of 9/11/01[1] and the fact that it has an acknowledged history of false flag attacks I'd say it's very likely they gassed people. I don't think the Obama admin has been held accountable for the shit they've done so far which is a lot of things; it just gets brushed off like everything Hillary Clinton has done. Bush was never held accountable for the Iraq War, was he? He got re-elected and he gets a pension. Nixon was held accountable, but wasn't he the last one? If he wasn't, then I'll be happy to hear other views and try to understand them.

Assad is a national socialist and all that shit, but hell, if Virginia just tried to secede I imagine the executive would just start gassing everyone.

[1] Many sources, including fox news, hinted that bin laden was dead in late 2001. I also don't think it was in bin laden's nature to murder 3k people.
19 angry arabs doing independently makes no sense because surely the U.S. govt could've prevented them.

 

[cytg111]

I can't help but be embarrassed by the fact that our leaders seem to think they are in some moral position to dictate to others. They say that this behavior must be punished. Who the hell are we to hand out the punishment? And where are we every time there is genocide in a non strategic part of the world? Anyone can see through this BS and at this point its just embarrassing.
Also, the US wages chemical warfare against its own people on a much larger scale in the name of pharmaceuticals for profit at all costs. Shit drugs that cause more harm than good or simply don't work.

I think it is a pickle, I can certainly understand your POV but I can also see it from another angle. On a lot of levels the globe is not as big as it used to be, information flows somewhat freely (too freely, nsa? heh) and I can with my own eyes bear witness to monstrosities carried out all over the world. On a moral and ethical level, if I dont tolerate incest and pedophelia from my neighbor next-door then how can I my afghan neighbor next-country? Instincts tell me I cant and that I shouldnt. There is some sayings (not the spiderman one..) that If you are able to fight it is your born-given-duty to fight for those who cannot fight for themselves - For evil to succeed is for a few good men to do nothing etc.
On that level you can argue that if youre capable of fighting, and you choose not to, you're a coward.
I can see it both ways ...

 

[brycejones]

Well, given that I believe that the U.S. govt ordered the attacks of 9/11/01[1] and the fact that it has an acknowledged history of false flag attacks I'd say it's very likely they gassed people. I don't think the Obama admin has been held accountable for the shit they've done so far which is a lot of things; it just gets brushed off like everything Hillary Clinton has done. Bush was never held accountable for the Iraq War, was he? He got re-elected and he gets a pension. Nixon was held accountable, but wasn't he the last one? If he wasn't, then I'll be happy to hear other views and try to understand them.

Assad is a national socialist and all that shit, but hell, if Virginia just tried to secede I imagine the executive would just start gassing everyone.

[1] Many sources, including fox news, hinted that bin laden was dead in late 2001. I also don't think it was in bin laden's nature to murder 3k people.
19 angry arabs doing independently makes no sense because surely the U.S. govt could've prevented them.

wow

 

[clamum]

Only someone as fucking stupid as a 9/11 or Sandy Hook conspiracy nutter would believe it was committed by the US government as a false flag operation.

 

[Fern]

Yeap. It is baffling to me that he did not appear to have a contingency plan in place for what would happen if chemical weapons were used there in spite of his warning. Even if he just said 'red line' by mistake, the very first thing I would have been doing was coming up with that plan after I got off the podium.

There had to at least be some sort of consequence, and there wasn't. Dumb.

I don't think "mistake" is the correct term.

But wanted to say that I've heard he ad-libbed that remark. I.e., it wasn't part of the written speech but he decided to add it.

You make a good point about having a contingency plan in place, especially after the gas attack last year brought the possibility into the fore.

Fern