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Switching Jobs. Is this fair to my current employer?

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sourceninja said:
My hard rule is to never take a counter offer. I've seen too many friends lose great jobs by taking counter offers only to be unemployed 6 months later.
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That's my rule too. Even if I take a counter offer that's 10% more, your boss is always going to be suspicious of you and the relationship is already strained.
 
well if a 2 week notice is burning bridges you might as well give a 0 week notice and start earning double immediately.
 
Funny I was on this board with a similar situation years ago. Had my former boss and the VP double teamed me with counter offer and the same threat about not getting good future reference. Most folks here told me to f' it and burn the bridge so I blew them off. It was something along the line of if they had value you, they would've taken care of you while you're there instead of when you submit your two weeks. Best decision I've ever made. Good luck OP.
 
it's worth pointing out that not all '2 weeks' are equal. You probably picked the worst 2 weeks possible as far as finding people and having tons of stuff that needs to get done.
 
tynopik said:
it's worth pointing out that not all '2 weeks' are equal. You probably picked the worst 2 weeks possible as far as finding people and having tons of stuff that needs to get done.
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Employer's issue. Should have taken care of OP better then he wouldn't have left to begin with.
 
Never feel too bad about stuff like this as long as you did the standard procedure of 2 weeks.

If they wanted to downsize, do you really think they would care about it being fair? They'll lay off people at the drop of a hat just so they can make extra profit. The execs will get a bonus for it.

The way I see it is if an employer badly needs someone to the point where 2 weeks is not enough, well they should pay up better.
 
Red Squirrel said:
If they wanted to downsize, do you really think they would care about it being fair? They'll lay off people at the drop of a hat just so they can make extra profit. The execs will get a bonus for it.
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When you get layed off, you get unemployment that typically lasts longer than 2 weeks
 
I gave my last job 4 weeks notice. I also used up all my vacation days in the middle of it and then returned for a couple of days to make sure everything was ok.

I offered email support, IF I had free time. Also would consider taking on contracting work, IF I had free time. I did answer a couple of emails, but didn't have time for any projects.
 
IndyColtsFan said:
This.

Your boss was throwing out the Director position in an extremely lame attempt to keep you working at his company. Don't fall for it if he brings it up again and while you're talking to him, tell him your new company said they need you in 2 weeks so you can't give 3 weeks notice.
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The OP's issue is striking a nerve right now because I'm pretty much going through the same thing - except that I'm sticking to the month that we initially agreed upon (and is standard in my industry).

I've been told a couple of times that I'd be next in line or a management spot might get created for me. I hear a lot about how much I've improved relationships with other part of the org, how we're finally getting large projects through the pipeline. Well shit, another organization figured out that I'm doing a director's work, so they might as well bring me on as one of theirs. Go figure!

They asked if they could counter, but we have a chasm, not a gap. It's a shame because I actually love where I work, my team, etc. But in the end, it'd be irresponsible to not take the growth opportunity. You can't feel bad about these things. One thing is for sure - as I'm building my new team, I'm going to pay more than lip service to retention. You have to identify the folks you don't want to lose and have an honest conversation before the fact about their goals, then help them get there. It's no coincidence that my longest tenured position was with a manager who did that, and I only left when the next manager... wasn't.
 
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sjwaste said:
I'm going to pay more than lip service to retention. You have to identify the folks you don't want to lose and have an honest conversation before the fact about their goals, then help them get there. It's no coincidence that my longest tenured position was with a manager who did that, and I only left when the next manager... wasn't.
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My company has been paying me a lot of lip service since new management has come on board. I've been told what a rock star I am, how valuable I am, etc, but the opportunities and pay increases don't line up with their words. I just completed a big project that is saving us $400K/yr and I am debating having a discussion with our department head about my compensation. I've been planning on leaving after May 1 so maybe I shouldn't waste my time.
 
IndyColtsFan said:
My company has been paying me a lot of lip service since new management has come on board. I've been told what a rock star I am, how valuable I am, etc, but the opportunities and pay increases don't line up with their words. I just completed a big project that is saving us $400K/yr and I am debating having a discussion with our department head about my compensation. I've been planning on leaving after May 1 so maybe I shouldn't waste my time.
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Do it during the work day. Then you're wasting their time 🙂

EDIT: Seriously though, I spent some time with a large consulting firm that you've probably heard of. From day 1, they drove it into you that managing your career was your responsibility. You need to make sure people know you and that your goals and expectations are out there. If you've done well, it doesn't hurt to ask for what you want. Otherwise, you have no right to assume they know. People are motivated by different things, so let them know what you want.
 
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sourceninja said:
My hard rule is to never take a counter offer. I've seen too many friends lose great jobs by taking counter offers only to be unemployed 6 months later.
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I think most of the time it probably is a bad idea to take it. It does sow a bit of a wedge. Even if you're on good terms with your employer the faux loyalty they may have thought you had before it shown as non-existent and they won't forget it in the future.
 
sjwaste said:
Do it during the work day. Then you're wasting their time 🙂

EDIT: Seriously though, I spent some time with a large consulting firm that you've probably heard of. From day 1, they drove it into you that managing your career was your responsibility. You need to make sure people know you and that your goals and expectations are out there. If you've done well, it doesn't hurt to ask for what you want. Otherwise, you have no right to assume they know. People are motivated by different things, so let them know what you want.
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That's what a former boss (and friend of mine) used to tell me. I've just been too afraid of rocking the boat and maybe being the first in the layoff line if I did.
 
E-mail help? I hope you're charging him for that.

Employers can let you go without any notice. You certainly don't owe them any more than two weeks.
 
tynopik said:
it's worth pointing out that not all '2 weeks' are equal. You probably picked the worst 2 weeks possible as far as finding people and having tons of stuff that needs to get done.
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Sucks for his employer. Not the OP's problem.
 
OP, you ARE going to charge for this email help right? Don't write a single one for free; don't be their bitch.
 
Doppel said:
OP, you ARE going to charge for this email help right? Don't write a single one for free; don't be their bitch.
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I appreciate all of the advice here but I'm probably going to help via email IF I think they absolutely need to know something that I knew. It'd have to be at my own convenience. I won't answer emails during the day and only at night if I have time.
 
senttoschool said:
I appreciate all of the advice here but I'm probably going to help via email IF I think they absolutely need to know something that I knew. It'd have to be at my own convenience. I won't answer emails during the day and only at night if I have time.
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Make sure you have a system in place to bill them for your time...and an agreement for them to pay you.
There's nothing wrong with offering to help them...as long as they're willing to pay you for your help.

Worry first about what's fair to you...and what's fair to them last.
 
Congrats on the AWESOME new opportunity. Double is something to be excited about, no matter how you look at it. I think you're being way more than reasonable, borderline too much. Giving 2 weeks notice is nice, because not everyone bothers to do that. You're already giving them more courtesy than many people just by offering them the basic 2 weeks. An extra week AND free email support? They are still unhappy about that? I wouldn't bother, personally.
 
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