Swelling wormhole could engulf the universe..

[IGBT]

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In a scenario dubbed the "big trip", so-called phantom energy trickling into a wormhole will cause it to swell up so much that it eventually engulfs the entire universe, says cosmologist Pedro Gonzalez-Diaz at the Institute of Mathematics and Fundamental Physics in Madrid, Spain.

Phantom energy is a form of the dark energy that could be responsible for the puzzling accelerated expansion of the universe. Its defining property is that its energy density increases with time. "Phantom energy is precisely the form of energy one needs to create a wormhole," says Diaz. "Wormholes, therefore, would actually be expected components of the space-time foam if dark energy is actually phantom energy. It is natural to study both at the same time."

 

[Cooler]

anyone know the differnce between a wormhole and a blackhole?

 

[Xyo II]

Originally posted by: Cooler
anyone know the differnce between a wormhole and a blackhole?

wormhole = rip in spacetime fabric
blackhole = start that has collapsed upon itself, and it's gravitational pull warps spacetime to where light cannot escape beyond it's event field

why post when you can wiki? I am dead sure you could find a simple explanation if you google it or search wikipedia. little research > cluttering forums. thanks

 

[bobsmith1492]

I say an alien made of a mysterious form of matter no one has heard of and has no evidence for will personally rip your soul from your chest and hurl you into the nearest supernova one day...

That being said, it sounds to me like they're shooting for photo-ops and random guesses rather than pursuing science.

 

[the splat in the hat]

hahahahahahaha


wormhole = mans bloody imagination !
blackhole = quantum singlearity.


pardon spellin !





wth wormholes are NOT real , like god is not real , hahaha , we need to see and prove first ! evidence..... science.........

 

[dkozloski]

That Pedro guy must be a cosmetologist to come out with a theory like that.

 

[Soccerman06]

Originally posted by: the splat in the hat
hahahahahahaha


wormhole = mans bloody imagination !
blackhole = quantum singlearity.


pardon spellin !





wth wormholes are NOT real , like god is not real , hahaha , we need to see and prove first ! evidence..... science.........

We have no proof that they dont exist either, we have never seen a "white hole" either. We have shown mathmatically, that they exist, we just havent seen one with our eyes yet.

 

[the splat in the hat]

sweet lets take every hypothisis as say real then shall we ?

hahahaha

really wormholes are fiction and theres not likely to be any evidence to the contrary in any eon soon, we made them up , true we dont understand alot of things but thats why we let science sort it out , to date science isnt providing any evidence at all they could be real , believing in wormholes in my opinion is a faith thing. Now faith we can link to the bible , oh , should we take that bible as the truth with no evidence ? Has science so far ?
Gets blurred if you mix to much faith in with science .
Science = the search for the truth.

no matter the subject .

 

[illusion88]

Originally posted by: the splat in the hat
sweet lets take every hypothisis as say real then shall we ?

hahahaha

really wormholes are fiction and theres not likely to be any evidence to the contrary in any eon soon, we made them up , true we dont understand alot of things but thats why we let science sort it out , to date science isnt providing any evidence at all they could be real , believing in wormholes in my opinion is a faith thing. Now faith we can link to the bible , oh , should we take that bible as the truth with no evidence ? Has science so far ?
Gets blurred if you mix to much faith in with science .
Science = the search for the truth.

no matter the subject .

Ok,
You need to learn more about advanced physics. Einsteins Field Equation predicts that wormholes could exist. If they do exist, they exist for such a short period of time that nothing could ever measure them. To say it's faith is just playing ignorant. If you want to read more about them I would suggest reading This book. The math in the book isn't hard, in fact Thorne does a great job making it easy to understand.

I'm sorry to flame, it just upsets me when I see someone blindly talking about science beign the pursuit of truth.

 

[Gatt]

We have no proof that they dont exist either, we have never seen a "white hole" either. We have shown mathmatically, that they exist, we just havent seen one with our eyes yet.

Do you know of any links to where I could read up on that? Sounds interesting.

(Semi-educated thoughts follow, I know alot, but probably not as much as many people here)

As far as the theory of Wormholes swallowing the Universe goes, sounds pretty far fetched.

First off, what would happen if you sucked a Super-Massive Black Hole capable of warping time/space and likely consisting of nothing but time/space into an object that is theoretically a rip in time/space?

Logically, one would assume that would create either a scenario where Time/Space becomes erratic or create a rather spectacular explosion.

Either way though, the whole theory depends on "Dark Energy" existing(Very possible), a Wormhole being capable of capturing/transferring energy(Less likely as if energy and therefore wavelengths could pass through it, we should have already seen one), and the Wormhole being fed by energy(Less likely as if it's accumulating energy, even if by some strange property it isn't radiating anything outwards, we still should detect energy traveling and then disappearing completely).

It's most likely that a Wormhole, if it exists, is centered on some Gravitational Anomaly of such incredible power that it warps space/time until it breaks down. Like a Super-Massive Black Hole. As such, it should already have access to vast amounts of energy, and we all should already be dead.

 

[the splat in the hat]

your joking , theres no EVIDENCE , its a far fetched thing to take a mathamatical equasion from einstien and to stretch it and say theres evidence through his writings is a FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS, but it is there and that to date makes it a hypothisis , just like the bible , we cant see a blackhole yet we can see its effects on objects around it , took us a long time to do that but we have effectively prooven blackholes are real , show me 1 single instance where humans have observed in space conditions anything like what we would need to have a wormhole . Very far fetched , even more far fetched is the assumption humans will EVER be able to harness a blackholes power to create one, our world is all science nowdays, everything from our clothes to our drinking water, to leap to the faith side and believe things that MAY or MAYNOT be real before ANY evidence can be shown at all to me is just straight up faith.

And math text is by no means evidece of wormholes , maths also tells us there infinate universes , but do we teach that as fact ?
It tells us some wierd sh@t about other dimentions but do we teach it as fact ?
No we dont , because theres still no real evidence.

enjoy.....

 

[Gannon]

Originally posted by: IGBT
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In a scenario dubbed the "big trip", so-called phantom energy trickling into a wormhole will cause it to swell up so much that it eventually engulfs the entire universe, says cosmologist Pedro Gonzalez-Diaz at the Institute of Mathematics and Fundamental Physics in Madrid, Spain.

Phantom energy is a form of the dark energy that could be responsible for the puzzling accelerated expansion of the universe. Its defining property is that its energy density increases with time. "Phantom energy is precisely the form of energy one needs to create a wormhole," says Diaz. "Wormholes, therefore, would actually be expected components of the space-time foam if dark energy is actually phantom energy. It is natural to study both at the same time."

I wonder how physicists find the motivation to get up in the morning.

 

[Gatt]

Originally posted by: the splat in the hat
show me 1 single instance where humans have observed in space conditions anything like what we would need to have a wormhole . Very far fetched , even more far fetched is the assumption humans will EVER be able to harness a blackholes power to create one, our world is all science nowdays, everything from our clothes to our drinking water, to leap to the faith side and believe things that MAY or MAYNOT be real before ANY evidence can be shown at all to me is just straight up faith.

And math text is by no means evidece of wormholes , maths also tells us there infinate universes , but do we teach that as fact ?
It tells us some wierd sh@t about other dimentions but do we teach it as fact ?
No we dont , because theres still no real evidence.

enjoy.....

Um, 1 single instance? Ok. Black Holes. Matter that is absorbed by a Black Hole must go somewhere, according to the Law of Conservation, so we have 3 choices.

1. The Black Hole accumulates Matter, therefore Black Holes should grow larger. An active Black Hole near a large amount of Matter, like a Sun, should grow perceivably larger due to the Mass it is aquiring.

2. The Matter must be converted into energy. In which case we should be able to detect some form of Energy Radiation on a large scale eminating from the core of the Black Hole, in very large quantities near Active Black Holes.

3. The Black Hole's gravity field is so dense that it rips a hole in Space/Time and matter is passed through to the other end. Which would be a Worm Hole.

As we haven't detected any evidence of Black Holes growing, and we haven't detected any form of Energy Radiating from the Core of Black Holes, the most likely answer at present is that the Black Hole rips space/time, especially since we know that Black Holes warp space/time at it's perimeter.

As far as creating a Black Hole, there's research into that now. Considering that at least some Black Holes appear to be created by nothing more than dense mass and speed, it's plausible to believe that we will one day be able to recreate the formation of a Black Hole.

Math is the *only* universal constant. *Everything* else is manipulatable to some extent or another under simple circumstances. Weight, Height, Depth, Speed, Temperature, even Mass. But 1 + 1 will *always* equal 2.

Technically, believing anything other than Math is a leap of faith, because at some point the belief no longer holds true under some circumstances. But Math never changes. It can only be missing key portions of the equation.

 

[the splat in the hat]

math is not the universal cure for equasions in real physical life that we observe all the time , the quantum world of physic's is one place our math is not working for us , so maybe our math isnt accurate enough for the time/space scale we re talking about, so who knows, but for anything to become a theory it must have some kind of scientific evidence, wormholes have none , blackholes have some although limited it becomes a theory , l find wormholes a sci fi creation , given like many inventions have come from sci fi , l dont believe wormholes will become real, l will wait until some if any evidence appears before l believe it.

 

[thenanyu]

Okay, umm, I don't really know what the tactful way of doing this is, so I will be direct about it. I am not sure how qualified "the spat in the hat" is to make statements like

the quantum world of physic's is one place our math is not working for us , so maybe our math isn?t accurate enough for the time/space scale we re talking about

Our math is indeed accurate enough to describe quantum mechanics. Our previous iterations of physics were not adequate to explain behaviors on a quantum level, but our math is most definitely "working for us". I do not want to go into great detail about this, but look up "Hilbert Space" in a decent physics book and you will see that the basic principles of quantum mechanics are actually thoroughly described by linear algebra, specifically eigen-vectors and eigen-values. The rules of quantum mech. treats everything as a probability function, which is beautifully expressed through the Schroedenger equation:

H |U(t)> = E |U(t)>

for those familiar with linear algebra, you may have seen it as

[matrix A] |eigenvector> = (eigenvalue) |eigenvector>

I am not an expert on quantum mechanics, but I do not like it when people make blanket statements about a subject when they have obviously not studied that subject nor done any research.

 

[Woodchuck2000]

Originally posted by: the splat in the hat
math is not the universal cure for equasions in real physical life that we observe all the time , the quantum world of physic's is one place our math is not working for us , so maybe our math isnt accurate enough for the time/space scale we re talking about, so who knows, but for anything to become a theory it must have some kind of scientific evidence, wormholes have none , blackholes have some although limited it becomes a theory , l find wormholes a sci fi creation , given like many inventions have come from sci fi , l dont believe wormholes will become real, l will wait until some if any evidence appears before l believe it.

If I were trying to define maths, I couldn't do much better than "Maths is the universal explanation for phenomena in real life that we observe."

There are many many things that have been predicted by maths (black holes, for one) that were not discovered in real life until afterwards.

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: the splat in the hat
sweet lets take every hypothisis as say real then shall we ?

hahahaha

really wormholes are fiction and theres not likely to be any evidence to the contrary in any eon soon, we made them up , true we dont understand alot of things but thats why we let science sort it out , to date science isnt providing any evidence at all they could be real , believing in wormholes in my opinion is a faith thing. Now faith we can link to the bible , oh , should we take that bible as the truth with no evidence ? Has science so far ?
Gets blurred if you mix to much faith in with science .
Science = the search for the truth.

no matter the subject .

No the bible should not be taken as truth with no evidence. That's exactly why it should be taken. Now quit throwing that out there a proof positive of a false occurence and stick to the topic.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: the splat in the hat
your joking , theres no EVIDENCE , its a far fetched thing to take a mathamatical equasion from einstien and to stretch it and say theres evidence through his writings is a FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS, but it is there and that to date makes it a hypothisis , just like the bible , we cant see a blackhole yet we can see its effects on objects around it

It is funny to me that you reference blackholes in your argument. Blackholes were treated exactly the same way, people claimed they did not exist, they were a mathmatical quirk. Took decades for researches to really understand the believe they do exist.

Bill

 

[jago25]

Wormhole = something we thought might happen if 2 blackholes connect back to back. Pretty wack

 

[Xyo II]

The Splat in the Hat- You deserve any and all flaming that is directed to you for your posts.
Although there is no evidence for wormholes existing anywhere in our Universe at all, it is theoretically possible to create one so many ways it is mind-boggling. The most realistic way of "creating" a wormhole requires a lot of negative energy, and there are no effective ways of gathering that much negative energy as of this moment, so classical physicists have nothing to fear from this for awhile.

 

[the splat in the hat]

It is funny to me that you reference blackholes in your argument. Blackholes were treated exactly the same way, people claimed they did not exist, they were a mathmatical quirk. Took decades for researches to really understand the believe they do exist.

Bill

Thats not true , because at a piont in our history , like just a few years ago , we could actually observe the effects of a black hole , makeing it a theory , the blackhole theory is very similar to a supernova theory, so it would seem, now wormholes we have never observed anything that could suggest they may be real , even our maths isnt accurate at wormhole level , wormholes are a creation of sci fi in order to beat the fundamental lightspeed barrier problem , so , its a hypothisis , and with all the years of space observation now at distances that go back over 10 billion light years we have never seen anything that resembles a wormhole ever.
To me its wild sci fi stuff, and humans are probably more likely to find a different way around light speeds, but wormholes are just plain fiction , and l could creat another anomolly tomorrow and the give it a mathamatical solution and does that mean that its definately real ? Maths tells us of alternate dimentions , is that taught as fact in our schools ? fact or fiction ?
science rocks , and when its confirmed around the world that there is some fundamental evidence to show they are real, l will post my sry's but till then its sci fi , fictional.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: the splat in the hat
It is funny to me that you reference blackholes in your argument. Blackholes were treated exactly the same way, people claimed they did not exist, they were a mathmatical quirk. Took decades for researches to really understand the believe they do exist.

Bill

Thats not true , because at a piont in our history , like just a few years ago , we could actually observe the effects of a black hole , makeing it a theory , the blackhole theory is very similar to a supernova theory, so it would seem, now wormholes we have never observed anything that could suggest they may be real , even our maths isnt accurate at wormhole level , wormholes are a creation of sci fi in order to beat the fundamental lightspeed barrier problem , so , its a hypothisis , and with all the years of space observation now at distances that go back over 10 billion light years we have never seen anything that resembles a wormhole ever.
To me its wild sci fi stuff, and humans are probably more likely to find a different way around light speeds, but wormholes are just plain fiction , and l could creat another anomolly tomorrow and the give it a mathamatical solution and does that mean that its definately real ? Maths tells us of alternate dimentions , is that taught as fact in our schools ? fact or fiction ?
science rocks , and when its confirmed around the world that there is some fundamental evidence to show they are real, l will post my sry's but till then its sci fi , fictional.

Got English?

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: the splat in the hat
It is funny to me that you reference blackholes in your argument. Blackholes were treated exactly the same way, people claimed they did not exist, they were a mathmatical quirk. Took decades for researches to really understand the believe they do exist.

Bill

Thats not true , because at a piont in our history , like just a few years ago , we could actually observe the effects of a black hole , makeing it a theory , the blackhole theory is very similar to a supernova theory, so it would seem, now wormholes we have never observed anything that could suggest they may be real , even our maths isnt accurate at wormhole level , wormholes are a creation of sci fi in order to beat the fundamental lightspeed barrier problem , so , its a hypothisis , and with all the years of space observation now at distances that go back over 10 billion light years we have never seen anything that resembles a wormhole ever.
To me its wild sci fi stuff, and humans are probably more likely to find a different way around light speeds, but wormholes are just plain fiction , and l could creat another anomolly tomorrow and the give it a mathamatical solution and does that mean that its definately real ? Maths tells us of alternate dimentions , is that taught as fact in our schools ? fact or fiction ?
science rocks , and when its confirmed around the world that there is some fundamental evidence to show they are real, l will post my sry's but till then its sci fi , fictional.

Holy fvck, before I go believing any babble you have about blackholes and wormholes how about you fix what's coming out of your pie hole. Punctuation pwns you.

 

[the splat in the hat]

meh you are mature aint you !
if thats all you got to say , lm a ozzy pisshead , l dont give a sh@t about the odd commer or spelLin Misak , bite me, it just an opinion , get over it you sooky turds, l see what a buggery you have done with the English language, maaahahaha joker , get lost.......

 

[the splat in the hat]

ppfffttt there still fictional sci fi !............

Evidence .........