SweClockers: Geforce GTX 590 burns @ 772MHz & 1.025V

[Grooveriding]

And they are still trying to correct it --- another driver release is out to try and fix the failing card issues. Reportedly, this driver will further reduce the 590 clock under heavy load situations to around 555mhz, alternating between that and the clock you have set in the CP, whether overclocked or not.

I do not have a 590, so I am only repeating, so it could be speculation. It would be great if one of the hardware sites with a 590 would do an investigation into what is happening across these driver releases.

267.52 - Initial Release, pulled from nvidia's website
267.85 - Next release, pulled from nvidia's website
267.91 - Latest release.

Maximum damage control.


http://translate.google.com/translat...count%3D352%27

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/2889/quemado.jpg

Apparently this lad was using the latest drivers but they caused the card to throttle below 600Mhz when gaming so he switched back to the regular drivers and kaboom. The 590 exploded.

 

[insurgent]

267.52 - Initial Release, pulled from nvidia's website
267.85 - Next release, pulled from nvidia's website
267.91 - Latest release.

Maximum damage control.


http://translate.google.com/translat...count%3D352%27

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/2889/quemado.jpg

Apparently this lad was using the latest drivers but they caused the card to throttle below 600Mhz when gaming so he switched back to the regular drivers and kaboom. The 590 exploded.

Is that for real? I would think only overvolting and maybe high overclocks would do that to a 590

 

[Arkadrel]

267.52 - Initial Release, pulled from nvidia's website
267.85 - Next release, pulled from nvidia's website
267.91 - Latest release.

Maximum damage control.


http://translate.google.com/translat...count%3D352%27

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/2889/quemado.jpg

Apparently this lad was using the latest drivers but they caused the card to throttle below 600Mhz when gaming so he switched back to the regular drivers and kaboom. The 590 exploded.

Ouchies... a non reviewer?, but paying costumer, that didnt overvolt/overclcok, and his card died on him.

700$ down the drain.

How long has the 590 been out? by now?

Yes, I'm afraid I have problems with the RMA ... because I have the drivers that came with the graphics .. but this is not because I have to know .

he cant/is haveing trouble RMA(ing) it because he used the driver that came with the card, on the CD!?
Wow... just wow... he claims he didnt know not to use the CD drivers that went with the card.


Maybe Im just a cheap bas*ard but... 700$ is alot... if card dies within a few days, without overvolt/overclock...

 

[Kenmitch]

If bumpgate wasn't bad enough....Now we got boomgate

Just for the record I was f****d by bumpgate! $1000 lappy out of warranty and long gone before nvidia bastards fessed up to it!

 

[insurgent]

Another 590 that died at default voltages?

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=18778252&postcount=84

 

[Arkadrel]

Another 590 that died at default stock?

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=18778252&postcount=84

Well, it had to happen to someone here and it finally has.

Zotac GTX 590 *** AT DEFAULT VOLTAGE ***

BANG!!!!!

I'm so F*****G P****D at this moment I could scream. I bought it from another site on the day of release. It turned up Saturday, so by that time I'd seen and read the whole fiasco on the web with the cards dying... so naturally I said to myself, "Don't be an idiot, give it a few days before you try clocking it."
Well it's now Monday night and while running 3dMark11 an hour ago I noticed it got really quiet... I leapt for the psu cable. But no. Crack! Poof! Stinking smoke!

I really thought my whole system was gone, the flash was that bright. Thankfully no, I stuck in an old 8800gtx I had and everything booted fine. But the GTX590 is toast, part of the pcb has melted around what looked like a small group of resistors in the lower middle of the card, which have blown, and there's a scorch mark on the other side of the card coming out from under the cooler shroud down to the pci-e fingers.

Believe me the RMA email I've just sent off to E***er was less than gentlemanly. That scared the ever loving c**p out of me. How the hell did Nvidia think they could ship these cards in this state!

PS. Before anyone asks, I dont have a camera, and I've already stuck the bloody thing back in its box for when I get my RMA number tomorrow. Good Riddance!!!

Many thats alot of burnt cards (considering how long the card has been out)... and many of them are at stock voltage without overclocks.

If many of them die like this... wonder what things will look like a few months from now.

 

[thilanliyan]

Another 590 that died at default stock?

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=18778252&postcount=84

Ugh, I really hope these people either get replacement cards pronto or a refund. I'd be so pissed if I just spent $700 on a product, only to find that its specs were so marginal.

Slightly OT, but I remember at least 2 people (whom I won't name and who are no longer with us on these forums :sneaky claim that nVidia made better quality hardware than ATI. Ahem...

I couldn't (and I'm sure most couldn't) tell the quality of a card without knowing what components and what kind of safety margin is built in (that was one of the arguments I had with one of the mentioned). Hehe, the other person said he could "feel" the quality of nvidia cards when he held it in his hand...:biggrin:.

I've never had any card die on me (that wasn't my own doing) but I have seen and read of WAY more people with dead nVidia cards than ATI cards (ie. 8800GTXs, GTX570s, and now GTX590s?). And look at those threads of people baking their dead cards...it's almost invariably an nVidia card they are trying to bring back to life. Case in point:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2146420

How ironic is this:
http://uk.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-590/reviews

From the Hexus review:
"Has significant overclocking potential."

Lol I guess?

 

[pcm81]

I still say that 590 is the best bang for the buck.

 

[insurgent]

In fairness, I haven't found anything to prove that he had a GTX 590. I didn't really search though I leave that to others... if he is lying someone will find out

 

[pcm81]

Lets be nice, 590s got to be good at something, so far it seems that they are good at blowing up. Lets atleast give them that... It seems they aren't much good at anything else, so just let them have this one thing they are good at. Ok?

(Pun intended)

 

[Silverforce11]

ok, LAB501 has nice photos of the VRMs, Voltage Controllers and MOFSETs

http://translate.google.ca/translat...dia-geforce-gtx-590-studiu-de-overclocking/12

Yeah its a DrMos TDA21211, supporting a peak current of 35A.
There's 10 of them. Its peak is ~350W. You can see even at stock the 590 maxes 50W greater than 6990 which puts it over 400W already. Thats why some cards die at stock, its pushing the limit of the components. If you OC it further its asking for it to explode, which from pictures is exactly the VRMs thats exploded.

Again, wait for non-reference models which will have beefier PCBs, to really push the clocks and turn this into a beastly card. NV got caught with their pants down on this release.

Edit: From what i gather on the net with a bit of digging, the Volterra VRMs are more expensive and can handle higher loads. I'm not sure if NV going with barely enough TDA VRM is a cost saving measure or that Volterra didn't have enough supplies.. i gather NV engineers aren't dumb when designing such a power hog card to skimp out on components unless they HAD to (shortage or from marketing trying to make a profit).

 

[OCGuy]

Another 590 that died at default voltages?

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=18778252&postcount=84

Wow that member has 10 posts on that forum, and didnt provide any pictures.

This is what we are taking as "proof" now?


Something tells me there is more than a little guerilla marketing going on right now....

 

[AdamK47]

This dual Fermi card idea looked so good on paper.

 

[Dark Shroud]

This dual Fermi card idea looked so good on paper.

Yes as long as you weren't looking at how hot the cards get under prolonged load.

But hey Nvidia did use software to throttle Furmak so there shouldn't have been any other problems. It's not like the people who buy these types of cards don't actually use them for anything demanding.

 

[distinctively]

Wow that member has 10 posts on that forum, and didnt provide any pictures.

This is what we are taking as "proof" now?


Something tells me there is more than a little guerilla marketing going on right now....

I doubt guerrilla marketing is needed. Just refer to the post above you. The board can't handle the power. That's why the newer drivers keep throttling the card further and further.

 

[distinctively]

Yeah its a DrMos TDA21211, supporting a peak current of 35A.
There's 10 of them. Its peak is ~350W. You can see even at stock the 590 maxes 50W greater than 6990 which puts it over 400W already. Thats why some cards die at stock, its pushing the limit of the components. If you OC it further its asking for it to explode, which from pictures is exactly the VRMs thats exploded.

Again, wait for non-reference models which will have beefier PCBs, to really push the clocks and turn this into a beastly card. NV got caught with their pants down on this release.

Edit: From what i gather on the net with a bit of digging, the Volterra VRMs are more expensive and can handle higher loads. I'm not sure if NV going with barely enough TDA VRM is a cost saving measure or that Volterra didn't have enough supplies.. i gather NV engineers aren't dumb when designing such a power hog card to skimp out on components unless they HAD to (shortage or from marketing trying to make a profit).

The theory running is that the card was originally designed for lower wattage. When word got out of the 6990s power consumption, nVidia had to scramble with the parts they had to try to make it compete. It was too late to order in new parts.

 

[Schmide]

The UK guy that didn't over-volt.

PS. Before anyone asks, I dont have a camera, and I've already stuck the bloody thing back in its box for when I get my RMA number tomorrow. Good Riddance!!!

I call shenanigans, you buy $700 video cards you have enough tech to own a camera somewhere or at the very least know someone with a phone.

 

[Idontcare]

Wow that member has 10 posts on that forum, and didnt provide any pictures.

This is what we are taking as "proof" now?


Something tells me there is more than a little guerilla marketing going on right now....

I see this as universal balance.

For all those threads we suffer through with people raving over the supposed overclock potential of a video-card - "what's that? the GTX460? Oh yeah you practically have to be a dummy to not get 950MHz out of those, on stock volts no less!".

Now karma has come back the other direction, yin to the yang, and we are seeing the pendulum swing equally to the other extreme where everyone races to out-do the next guy in reporting their HTX590 dying in the shortest time with the fewest volts and lowest clocks when it popped.

You see an organized smear campaign, I see fanboys and enthusiasts doing what they've always done - overhype and over-dramatize a video card launch, yet again, on their Mt Dew/redbull fueled benders.

There really is no need to go to such lengths as creating fictitious corporate-backed enemies and hegemony-christened demons, truth is stranger than fiction, and it really doesn't get much more "same old same old" than this right now when it comes to fans of anything (be it video cards, nascar, cars, football, hockey, politics, religion, etc) come together and friction ensues.

 

[Dean]

OK something just is not right here. Now 590 cards ran at default speeds and voltages are dying? How could this have ever made it past Nvidia's Quality Control?

I had 7 and 8 series cards die on me but I usually got at least a year out of them first. I always believed they died young because they were factory overclocked, which is why I refuse to overclock video cards now. This has me wondering though.

 

[pcm81]

I see this as universal balance.

Now karma has come back the other direction, yin to the yang, and we are seeing the pendulum swing equally to the other extreme where everyone races to out-do the next guy in reporting their HTX590 dying in the shortest time with the fewest volts and lowest clocks when it popped.

Good theory, but I have one question for you:
Why would an AMD Fanboy buy/have an Nvidia HTX590 card?

 

[distinctively]

OK something just is not right here. Now 590 cards ran at default speeds and voltages are dying? How could this have ever made it past Nvidia's Quality Control?

I had 7 and 8 series cards die on me but I usually got at least a year out of them first. I always believed they died young because they were factory overclocked, which is why I refuse to overclock video cards now. This has me wondering though.

Agreed. Only one of my factory overclocked cards still exist. I'll guess 6 OC cards but I can't remember for sure. On the other hand, I've accumulated piles of non-OC'd cards that can probably be thrown out as they're so old.

 

[pcm81]

OK something just is not right here. Now 590 cards ran at default speeds and voltages are dying? How could this have ever made it past Nvidia's Quality Control?

I had 7 and 8 series cards die on me but I usually got at least a year out of them first. I always believed they died young because they were factory overclocked, which is why I refuse to overclock video cards now. This has me wondering though.

6990 reseased on March 8th, and GTX590 on March 24th. So, this gives NV 16 days to find a stable OC, which is also high enough to beat 6990 stock performance, package it all and send to vendors. How many cards do you think they tested to make sure that their test specimens were representative of all 590 cards in terms of overclockability?

EDIT:
the stock 590 is factory oveclocked. It is my belief that gtx590 were initially designed to run at 525MHz. Reason why 525MHz is because it would give the same "overclocability" margin (about 25&#37 in percent to the actual 625 MHz as is common in electronics makers. Usually in electronics design the highest clock is determined andthen stock is set 20% lower to account for manufacturing proccess errors. This yilds 25% overclockability margin based on stock clock, for most units.

 

[Arkadrel]

Good theory, but I have one question for you:
Why would an AMD Fanboy buy/have an Nvidia HTX590 card?

Says the person who has 2x 6990

But yeah I think something is up with the 590s still... its not normal for this many cards to die within such a short time of launchdate is it? I cant even remember hearing of reviewers frying cards on launch date before this *its probably happend before, I just cant remember it*.

 

[Dark Shroud]

The UK guy that didn't over-volt.

I call shenanigans, you buy $700 video cards you have enough tech to own a camera somewhere or at the very least know someone with a phone.

I have a $2k+ PC and don't own a camera or cell phone; all my spare money goes to my PC & Car. And while yes I know people with phones & cameras it's not worth it to call them over just to take pictures of a burned out card.

 

[Dean]

Agreed. Only one of my factory overclocked cards still exist. I'll guess 6 OC cards but I can't remember for sure. On the other hand, I've accumulated piles of non-OC'd cards that can probably be thrown out as they're so old.

I just got a very good deal on an XFX HD 6950 1GB XXX that is overclocked to 830/5200. It should arrive in the next day or two and when it gets up and running, it is going to be down clocked to default speeds. Even though all my ATI cards lived a long life or continue to live on, I am not going to be playing with fire as none of the previous ATI cards I bought were overclocked.