SweClockers: Geforce GTX 590 burns @ 772MHz & 1.025V

[insurgent]

I have a $2k+ PC and don't own a camera or cell phone; all my spare money goes to my PC & Car. And while yes I know people with phones & cameras it's not worth it to call them over just to take pictures of a burned out card.

On the other hand I have a cheaper system, a phone and a dslr... and if someone asks me to go to their house to take pics of their burnt card I will take my sweet time before I do... unless there's beer and pizza.

 

[pcm81]

Says the person who has 2x 6990

But yeah I think something is up with the 590s still... its not normal for this many cards to die within such a short time of launchdate is it? I cant even remember hearing of reviewers frying cards on launch date before this *its probably happend before, I just cant remember it*.

Read my last post.

 

[pcm81]

On the other hand I have a cheaper system, a phone and a dslr... and if someone asks me to go to their house to take pics of their burnt card I will take my sweet time before I do... unless there's beer and pizza.

And all I have is a cheap Dijorno pizza and a Nikon D90, which I can't use to take pictures of my burnt graphix cards, because no matter how hard I try my cards are refusing to burn... (Pun intended)

 

[Schmide]

I have a $2k+ PC and don't own a camera or cell phone; all my spare money goes to my PC & Car. And while yes I know people with phones & cameras it's not worth it to call them over just to take pictures of a burned out card.

Psst. If you have a $700 burnt out card, it's worth it. Records are gold in any RMA transaction and for that matter accident with your car. In this day an age the no camera line only goes so far.

It could be true, but calling shenanigans is rightful. Think of it as an arbitration.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I see this as universal balance.

For all those threads we suffer through with people raving over the supposed overclock potential of a video-card - "what's that? the GTX460? Oh yeah you practically have to be a dummy to not get 950MHz out of those, on stock volts no less!".

Now karma has come back the other direction, yin to the yang, and we are seeing the pendulum swing equally to the other extreme where everyone races to out-do the next guy in reporting their HTX590 dying in the shortest time with the fewest volts and lowest clocks when it popped.

You see an organized smear campaign, I see fanboys and enthusiasts doing what they've always done - overhype and over-dramatize a video card launch, yet again, on their Mt Dew/redbull fueled benders.

There really is no need to go to such lengths as creating fictitious corporate-backed enemies and hegemony-christened demons, truth is stranger than fiction, and it really doesn't get much more "same old same old" than this right now when it comes to fans of anything (be it video cards, nascar, cars, football, hockey, politics, religion, etc) come together and friction ensues.

I down clocked my GTX590 to 4MHz on the cores, it fried and melted through my custom tungsten case while I was playing Minesweeper!!!!!1!!!2!! (being sarcastic)

In all seriousness I do agree with OCGuy here, 10 posts and the inability to produce a picture sounds fishy. But, there are plenty of other reports floating around out there that do seem more credible.

 

[pcm81]

I down clocked my GTX590 to 4MHz on the cores, it fried and melted through my custom tungsten case while I was playing Minesweeper!!!!!1!!!2!!

In all seriousness I do agree with OCGuy here, 10 posts and the inability to produce a picture sounds fishy. But, there are plenty of other reports floating around out there that do seem more credible.

China Syndome? Now we know what they put in those 590s....

 

[Schmide]

melted through my custom tungsten case.

I knew the Thermite HSF was a bad idea.

Spoiler

Thermite (2500c) wouldn't melt through a Tungsten (3500c) case. Must have been dicyanoacetylene in ozone (5kc).

 

[taltamir]

I knew the Thermite HSF was a bad idea.

Spoiler

Thermite (2500c) wouldn't melt through a Tungsten (3500c) case. Must of been dicyanoacetylene in ozone.

Nice catch. Even if it is a tungsten alloy it (the video card, not thermite) still shouldn't melt through the case.
Heck, even if it is a plain steel case it wouldn't melt THROUGH the case. This is because as soon as it melts on the video card it will cease functioning (thus cease drawing heat), all you get is one relatively hot droplet of molten metal which will simply transfer its heat to the case without melting through it, Maybe a cheap, thin plastic case... but not steel and certainly not tungsten.

 

[Arkadrel]

http://translate.google.es/translat...onde-al-tema-de-las-geforce-gtx-590-quemadas/


Nvidia 590 drivers last few days:
267.52 -> 267.71 -> 267.85 -> 267.91

The next one after that, upper limit for frequencies goes down to 552/1104/3020 (GPU/shaders/memory) MHz only.

@IDC,

is the above true? does Nvidia limit it to 552mhz on core when gameing? down from the 612mhz or so, the card used when you where running the benchmarks?

Will you redo the benchmarks and see how much it effects the benchmarks with newer drivers?
Also if you buy a card, and it says 6xx mhz core, on the box, but when you use it, its running ~550mhz, isnt that kinda cheating the customer?

 

[SlowSpyder]

I knew the Thermite HSF was a bad idea.

Spoiler

Thermite (2500c) wouldn't melt through a Tungsten (3500c) case. Must of been dicyanoacetylene in ozone (5kc).

Thermite didn't help, but it's the nitrogen triiodide thermal paste that was the problem.

 

[TerabyteX]

http://translate.google.es/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=es&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chw.net%2F2011%2F03%2Fnvidia-responde-al-tema-de-las-geforce-gtx-590-quemadas%2F


Nvidia 590 drivers last few days:
267.52 -> 267.71 -> 267.85 -> 267.91

@IDC,

is the above true? does Nvidia limit it to 552mhz on core when gameing? down from the 612mhz or so, the card used when you where running the benchmarks?

Will you redo the benchmarks and see how much it effects the benchmarks with newer drivers?
Also if you buy a card, and it says 6xx mhz core, on the box, but when you use it, its running ~550mhz, isnt that kinda cheating the customer?

Seems that this site is confirming what you just said. That the new drivers will throttle down the GPU cores often when it hits a certain TDP level during gaming. That will have an impact in performance.

Source: http://www.chw.net/2011/03/nvidia-responde-al-tema-de-las-geforce-gtx-590-quemadas/

Translation: http://translate.google.com/transla...-590-quemadas//nvidia-responde-al-tema-de-las-

 

[wahdangun]

I see this as universal balance.

For all those threads we suffer through with people raving over the supposed overclock potential of a video-card - "what's that? the GTX460? Oh yeah you practically have to be a dummy to not get 950MHz out of those, on stock volts no less!".

Now karma has come back the other direction, yin to the yang, and we are seeing the pendulum swing equally to the other extreme where everyone races to out-do the next guy in reporting their HTX590 dying in the shortest time with the fewest volts and lowest clocks when it popped.

You see an organized smear campaign, I see fanboys and enthusiasts doing what they've always done - overhype and over-dramatize a video card launch, yet again, on their Mt Dew/redbull fueled benders.

There really is no need to go to such lengths as creating fictitious corporate-backed enemies and hegemony-christened demons, truth is stranger than fiction, and it really doesn't get much more "same old same old" than this right now when it comes to fans of anything (be it video cards, nascar, cars, football, hockey, politics, religion, etc) come together and friction ensues.

very true idc, I'm still remember when hd 6870 was launched nvdia send highly oc gtx 460 card to reviewer, and it almost break a war in here, and all the nvdia fanboy have a fierce argument about how great the card are for overclocker and now they insulting reviewer thats trying to overclocking the card to the limit ?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Seems that this site is confirming what you just said. That the new drivers will throttle down the GPU cores often when it hits a certain TDP level during gaming. That will have an impact in performance.

Source: http://www.chw.net/2011/03/nvidia-responde-al-tema-de-las-geforce-gtx-590-quemadas/

Translation: http://translate.google.com/transla...-590-quemadas//nvidia-responde-al-tema-de-las-

I'm curious to see if reviewers will run their tests over with the new driver. Assuming it does lower performance, then I think AMD's claim that the 6990 is the fastest card will have to be hard to argue. The two card are pretty close, I can't see Nvidia being the fastest with a ~50MHz down clock.

 

[TerabyteX]

Here is the traduction of that site as google translator isn't working for some reason.

Two days had passed since the GTX 590 launch date and two cases of burnt video cards had been reported (Techpowerup and Sweclockers), suddenly those cards burnt during overclocking. After time passed, several other GTX 590's were reported as dead. nVidia said the following.


"Those burnt GTX 590 that reached the news was because of inadequate voltage manipulation (Overvolting) to dangerous levels way above the 0.91 to 0.96 stock values along with the combinations of old drivers that had low levels of overcurrent protection. Rest assure that the GTX 590 offers reliable service at stock voltages and with the latest 267.84 drivers, there's an additional level of protection for overclockers."

Does the new nVidia drivers solve the issues?

Not at all, and like every hotfix, some introduces unwelcome effects that we will not explain in detail. Even with those drivers, there's still people that are reporting cases of dead GTX 590. After GTX 590 launch, several driver revisions had been released, 267.52, 267.71 and 267.85 in which offers additional overcurrent protection for overclockers.

Geforce 267.52

Driver that came with GTX 590 samples to reviewers and available for download with the GTX 590 launch. It also comes in a CD with the retail boxes of the GTX 590. It comes with a very low level of overcurrent protection which exploits the full raw power of the GTX 590, plus offers maximum overclocking limits. It is the most used driver by GTX 590 reviewers, but nVidia doesn't recommend using them.

Geforce 267.71

Those drivers were launched few hours after the GTX 590 launch, and it was the nVidia's most recommended driver which limits the overclocking/overvolting levels showing a very small impact in performance compared to previous drivers which aren't recommended by nVidia. Even though these drivers were initially recommended by nVidia, it didn't stop the issues of burnt cards like Tweaktown ( http://www.tweaktown.com/news/19192...590_why_some_have_gone_up_in_smoke/index.html ) and Tbreak ( http://tbreak.com/tech/2011/03/zotac-gtx-590-review/ ), or other users in sites like XtremeSystems, Noticias3D among others.

Geforce 267.85

Those drivers were launched yesterday with a much higher level of control to avoid more GTX 590 failures. Lots of users had reported much worse overclocking results due to its strict overclocking control which slowdown the clocks between the overclocked level and 500MHz, which gives an erratic performance with lots of spikes and stuttering during gaming.

Conclusion:

It looks like the Geforce 267.85 solves the problem, but severely limits the GTX 590 performance to the point that it takes away the performance advanges of nVidia's most powerful graphic card. It is unknown if with this aggressive overcurrent control, will solve the issue in its entirity. At least several forums aren't reporting dead cards with this driver version, but some overclocker enthusiasts won't install the driver and are willing to keep using the old ones as they're not satisfied with the latest driver version overclocking performance, so the number of dead GTX 590 may rise in a few days.
Source: http://www.chw.net/2011/03/nvidia-responde-al-tema-de-las-geforce-gtx-590-quemadas/

 

[MrK6]

NVIDIA's really got to step up their QC. In the last year I've found myself recommending their products less and less just because I don't want to deal with the headache of replacing parts 6 months or a year down the road. I already had to replace a GTX 460, supposedly the best card they've released in awhile, due to a mobo incompatibility issue.

 

[wahdangun]

I'm curious to see if reviewers will run their tests over with the new driver. Assuming it does lower performance, then I think AMD's claim that the 6990 is the fastest card will have to be hard to argue. The two card are pretty close, I can't see Nvidia being the fastest with a ~50MHz down clock.

yeah, i hope anand or tpu will do follow up review to prove this rumor.

Btw is there anyone in anandtech that have Gtx 590?

 

[TerabyteX]

It would be great if reviewers do a review comparing the very first driver with their latest driver, to see if those claims are true, and compare the overclocking and power consumption results.

 

[Idontcare]

http://translate.google.es/translat...onde-al-tema-de-las-geforce-gtx-590-quemadas/


Nvidia 590 drivers last few days:
267.52 -> 267.71 -> 267.85 -> 267.91

@IDC,

is the above true? does Nvidia limit it to 552mhz on core when gameing? down from the 612mhz or so, the card used when you where running the benchmarks?

Will you redo the benchmarks and see how much it effects the benchmarks with newer drivers?
Also if you buy a card, and it says 6xx mhz core, on the box, but when you use it, its running ~550mhz, isnt that kinda cheating the customer?

I don't know tbh, but it seems rather plausible and logical that it would throttle like that.

Intel cpu's have done that since Nehalem, get'em too hot and drawing too many amps and they'll underclock themselves too.

 

[Silverforce11]

They have to lower the clocks, its pushing the hardware to the limit just at default. Reviews should update with a small paragraph explaining the situation to clear the air. If you use the latest safe driver, you are getting -10% performance.

 

[RaistlinZ]

The 590 is offering nothing but FAIL so far. I really had high hopes for it too.

 

[AtenRa]

Yeah its a DrMos TDA21211, supporting a peak current of 35A.
There's 10 of them. Its peak is ~350W. You can see even at stock the 590 maxes 50W greater than 6990 which puts it over 400W already. Thats why some cards die at stock, its pushing the limit of the components. If you OC it further its asking for it to explode, which from pictures is exactly the VRMs thats exploded.

Again, wait for non-reference models which will have beefier PCBs, to really push the clocks and turn this into a beastly card. NV got caught with their pants down on this release.

Edit: From what i gather on the net with a bit of digging, the Volterra VRMs are more expensive and can handle higher loads. I'm not sure if NV going with barely enough TDA VRM is a cost saving measure or that Volterra didn't have enough supplies.. i gather NV engineers aren't dumb when designing such a power hog card to skimp out on components unless they HAD to (shortage or from marketing trying to make a profit).

Peak wattage is not 350W, that’s the wattage when we have 1.0V (watt = Amps * Volts). Default voltage of GTX590 is 0.938V meaning that the cores will draw (10 x 35A) * 0.938V = 328,3W.

If we over-voltage to 1.05V then the two cores will draw 367,5W. Remember that this is only for the two GF110 chips and not for the entire card and this is only the theoretical maximum Wattage because the MOSFET has less than 100% efficiency.

The Infineon MOSFET (TDA21211) can supply the necessary wattage to the two CF110 chips so something else is happening.

Edit: I could be wrong but IMHO I will say its heat related.

 

[WelshBloke]

Wow that member has 10 posts on that forum, and didnt provide any pictures.

This is what we are taking as "proof" now?


Something tells me there is more than a little guerilla marketing going on right now....

I know that I've never taken pictures and posted them on a forum before requesting an RMA.

Is that what you normally do?

 

[AtenRa]

One more thing,

GTX590 needs 700W PSU with minimum 12V at 50A and I will say that a lot of users don’t consider that when they install the card in to their PSU. Most of the PSUs have more than one 12V line and because GTX590 needs 2x 8-pins each cable must be at a different 12V line.

 

[3DVagabond]

I see this as universal balance.

For all those threads we suffer through with people raving over the supposed overclock potential of a video-card - "what's that? the GTX460? Oh yeah you practically have to be a dummy to not get 950MHz out of those, on stock volts no less!".

Now karma has come back the other direction, yin to the yang, and we are seeing the pendulum swing equally to the other extreme where everyone races to out-do the next guy in reporting their HTX590 dying in the shortest time with the fewest volts and lowest clocks when it popped.

You see an organized smear campaign, I see fanboys and enthusiasts doing what they've always done - overhype and over-dramatize a video card launch, yet again, on their Mt Dew/redbull fueled benders.

There really is no need to go to such lengths as creating fictitious corporate-backed enemies and hegemony-christened demons, truth is stranger than fiction, and it really doesn't get much more "same old same old" than this right now when it comes to fans of anything (be it video cards, nascar, cars, football, hockey, politics, religion, etc) come together and friction ensues.

It's all true. You, obviously, don't know how to properly O/C your card. It's all your fault. /sarc

J/K mate. I hear what you are saying.

 

[3DVagabond]

It would be great if reviewers do a review comparing the very first driver with their latest driver, to see if those claims are true, and compare the overclocking and power consumption results.

Make sure they test the new drivers first. If they bench with the old ones, it might be a real short review.