Suspected mortor attack site yeilds more weapons

SuperTool

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Hmmmmm, any WMDs yet?

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How 'bout now?

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Anything?

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;)

They should send the Verizon Wireless guy there. :D
Let me guess, CAD is gonna tell us about the sarin, and how we all should be scared and be happy we have spent $200B to find some 20 year old shells.
 

OneOfTheseDays

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We were told they had WMD's (mortar shells, rocket launchers, and grenades are NOT WMDS). Obviously these terrorists are gonna have access to weapons like these, it's pretty much expected. Do you expect them to fight back with rocks?
 

OneOfTheseDays

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We were told they had WMD's (mortar shells, rocket launchers, and grenades are NOT WMDS). Obviously these terrorists are gonna have access to weapons like these, it's pretty much expected. Do you expect them to fight back with rocks?
 

CADsortaGUY

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Muqtada Militia Attacks U.S. Soldiers, More Weapons Found
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, June 3, 2004---Task Force 1st Armored Division soldiers were attacked today during a search of a school near Kufa, suspected site of several recent mortar attacks, according to a Central Commands news release.

While approaching the school, soldiers from the 2nd Battalion, 37th Armor Regiment, were fired upon with rocket-propelled grenades and small arms, the release stated. Soldiers returned fire, killing a 'significant number' of attackers. Three soldiers were wounded, the news release said.

A search of the school yielded two 82 mm mortar tubes, a 120 mm mortar tube, two RPG launchers with RPGs, a light anti-tank weapon, several AK-47 assault rifles, 10 hand grenades, 40 60 mm mortar rounds, and 20 120 mm mortar rounds.

The latest weapons find was one of several this week by U.S. soldiers.

Soldiers from the 1st Infantry Division discovered two weapons caches in Tikrit June 1, adding to six caches found over the Memorial Day weekend.

According to CENTCOM news release, soldiers discovered more than 60 artillery rounds under a bridge near Bayji June 1. Later that day, they stopped a dump truck carrying 137 artillery rounds.

An explosive ordnance disposal team destroyed a portion of the rounds found at the bridge and transported the remainder to a coalition facility for destruction.

Munitions on board the dump truck were transported to a coalition facility for destruction and the driver was detained.

Division soldiers detained 60 suspected weapons smugglers and confiscated 1,650 artillery rounds hidden in nine trucks near Samarra May 31.

The suspects were taken to a coalition detention facility for questioning and the weapons were taken to a Coalition base for destruction.

In all, over the Memorial Day weekend, soldiers discovered six caches near Mansuriyah, Baqubah, Tikrit and Balad, according to CENTCOM officials.

The weekend weapons caches contained more than 400 artillery rounds, 101 anti- aircraft rounds, 57 mortar rounds, 47 rocket-propelled grenades, a RPG launcher, a machine gun and other munitions.

In related news, coalition forces have begun using a new hand-carried device called Vapor Tracer 2 to detect and identify vapors and particles produced by explosives and narcotics.

The detection system is currently being used in civilian airports throughout the United States to check people, baggage, vehicles and cargo for explosive substances.

Vapor Tracer 2 uses an atmospheric sampling technique that is extremely sensitive and fast.

Soldiers from Troop F, 9th Cavalry Regiment, used the Vapor Tracer 2 earlier in May on a mission to find a suspected cache of explosives.

The Vapor Tracer 2 is now being used at checkpoints around the coalition's central Baghdad "Green Zone."

Elsewhere in Iraq, coalition forces throughout the country are continuing with rebuilding efforts.

In Ramadi, Marines paid Kharma city officials $19,000 in initial payments for projects to improve the city's infrastructure and other programs.

Improvement projects include a $21,500 project to improve electrical power distribution, a $23,500 project to install billboards and flagpoles, and $2,500 to fund clean-up initiatives.

Marines also provided $7,000 in start-up funds for a soccer and handball in Fallujah.

In Baghdad, the 5th Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division , is working to repair faulty sewage facilities in the district of Rashid.

Over the next 12 to 18 months, the team plans to help the people of the district to overhaul the neglected sewage system there.

The plan calls for building new sewer lines to areas that never had service. In these areas, raw sewage currently runs from homes into open canals that pass through the center of town.

According to the news statement, the Coalition Provisional Authority has approved $40 million for the project. Iraqi contractors will do most of the work with oversight from the combat team and an American contractor, the release stated.

In addition, the unit is working on projects to solve the area's lack of trash- collection facilities, and will contract local Iraqi companies to clean manholes, fix broken lines and get substations running at 100 percent capacity.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jun2004/n06032004_200406032.html[/q
 

OneOfTheseDays

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keep it up though CAD, your one of the few Bush supporters left that still defends him. It's quite funny actually.
 

SuperTool

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Marines also provided $7,000 in start-up funds for a soccer and handball in Fallujah.
Our taxpayer funds in action. $7,000 in start-up funds for a soccer and hand ball. Could have picked those up for $30 at Sportmart :D Either they paid too much for the balls or for the editor's salary :D
 

SuperTool

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Maybe those are Haliburton soccer $7000 soccer balls, from the company that charged taxpayers for driving air filled tankers. What did they call air in those manifests, I forgot? :D
 

maddogchen

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A search of the school yielded two 82 mm mortar tubes, a 120 mm mortar tube, two RPG launchers with RPGs, a light anti-tank weapon, several AK-47 assault rifles, 10 hand grenades, 40 60 mm mortar rounds, and 20 120 mm mortar rounds.

Class. Today we're going to teach you how to aim and fire mortars. Next we'll explain to you the functions of RPGs and lastly for the most advanced students: AK-47s and hand grenades.
 

Ozoned

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There would be a high probability that the result of this find would be that a few less names
would need to be posted in perknose stickie on war dead...

This is good news...:thumbsup:

Of course, it is like the premise of removing sadamm in a way, as we will never truly know what we have prevented by being preemptive.. :gift:
 

Infohawk

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Of course, it is like the premise of removing sadamm in a way, as we will never truly know what we have prevented by being preemptive.. :gift:

We know some of what we did not prevent. We didn't prevent an imminent WMD attack. And that was one of the official reasons for going to war when we did. Bush didn't want to wait for the weapons inspectors. He wanted to go in soon because Saddam and his WMDs were a serious threat at that time. Well, it turns out there were no WMDs and there was no way there was going to be an imminent WMD attack.
 

Genesys

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Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Do you expect them to fight back with rocks?

yes. dont you?

hell, i dont want no damn terrist shootin at my boys with no damn guns 'n sh|t!
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Do you expect them to fight back with rocks?

yes. dont you?

hell, i dont want no damn terrist shootin at my boys with no damn guns 'n sh|t!

Then the US shouldn't have sold/given weapons to the Taliban and Saddam in the first place.
 

Genesys

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Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Do you expect them to fight back with rocks?

yes. dont you?

hell, i dont want no damn terrist shootin at my boys with no damn guns 'n sh|t!

Then the US shouldn't have sold/given weapons to the Taliban and Saddam in the first place.

i completely agre. i dont really like the idea of sharing technology or weapons with anyone who isnt a valuable and completely trusted ally. England or Austrialia for example. I'd trust them with with any sort of weapons we give them or any sort of technology we might bequeath to them. However, im a little leery about giving weapons/technology to middle eastern countries knowing their disposition for regime changes.
 

maddogchen

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Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Do you expect them to fight back with rocks?

yes. dont you?

hell, i dont want no damn terrist shootin at my boys with no damn guns 'n sh|t!

Then the US shouldn't have sold/given weapons to the Taliban and Saddam in the first place.

i completely agre. i dont really like the idea of sharing technology or weapons with anyone who isnt a valuable and completely trusted ally. England or Austrialia for example. I'd trust them with with any sort of weapons we give them or any sort of technology we might bequeath to them. However, im a little leery about giving weapons/technology to middle eastern countries knowing their disposition for regime changes.

I'm not sure its the US weapons we should be worried about, its those damn cheap Soviet era RPGs, AK-47s, and other weapons that have flooded the third-world countries. Afghanistan is littered with Soviet and Chinese weaponry. So are many nations in Africa and the Middle East.

I'm not sure what Skyclad is talking about. Most of Saddams weapons came from Soviets and its allies. Their guns, tanks, and aircraft are Soviet. Missiles are copies of N Korean scuds. I think 90% are Soviet weapons. They did have a few French Rolands though. And we didn't sell or give weapons to the Taliban. They weren't around in the Soviet-Afghan war in the 80s. We gave weapons to fighters, some of who later joined the Taliban when they spread from Pakistan and took over the whole country in the 90s.
 

nutxo

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Of course, it is like the premise of removing sadamm in a way, as we will never truly know what we have prevented by being preemptive.. :gift:

We know some of what we did not prevent. We didn't prevent an imminent WMD attack. And that was one of the official reasons for going to war when we did. Bush didn't want to wait for the weapons inspectors. He wanted to go in soon because Saddam and his WMDs were a serious threat at that time. Well, it turns out there were no WMDs and there was no way there was going to be an imminent WMD attack.


#1 How do you know We didn't prevent an imminent WMD attack?

#2 "Bush didn't want to wait for the weapons inspectors." How long did we wait?

#3 "Well, it turns out there were no WMDs and there was no way there was going to be an imminent WMD attack." Once again, how do you know there are no WMD? Did saddam tell you this?
 

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Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Of course, it is like the premise of removing sadamm in a way, as we will never truly know what we have prevented by being preemptive.. :gift:

We know some of what we did not prevent. We didn't prevent an imminent WMD attack. And that was one of the official reasons for going to war when we did. Bush didn't want to wait for the weapons inspectors. He wanted to go in soon because Saddam and his WMDs were a serious threat at that time. Well, it turns out there were no WMDs and there was no way there was going to be an imminent WMD attack.


#1 How do you know We didn't prevent an imminent WMD attack?

#2 "Bush didn't want to wait for the weapons inspectors." How long did we wait?

#3 "Well, it turns out there were no WMDs and there was no way there was going to be an imminent WMD attack." Once again, how do you know there are no WMD? Did saddam tell you this?

#1 It's hard to deploy weapons that you don't have.

#2 The inspectors said it would take two more months and nothing indicated that Iraq had any WMD's at that point.

#3 All of the 120 sites have been searched, nothing has been found, sure, he might have moved them to Syria or the moon or wherever but i think that it would have been known if he had. Besides, does it make sense to move out your weapons when you are being invaded? "hey, they are shooting at me, i must hide my gun"
 

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Originally posted by: nutxo
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Of course, it is like the premise of removing sadamm in a way, as we will never truly know what we have prevented by being preemptive.. :gift:

We know some of what we did not prevent. We didn't prevent an imminent WMD attack. And that was one of the official reasons for going to war when we did. Bush didn't want to wait for the weapons inspectors. He wanted to go in soon because Saddam and his WMDs were a serious threat at that time. Well, it turns out there were no WMDs and there was no way there was going to be an imminent WMD attack.


#1 How do you know We didn't prevent an imminent WMD attack?

#2 "Bush didn't want to wait for the weapons inspectors." How long did we wait?

#3 "Well, it turns out there were no WMDs and there was no way there was going to be an imminent WMD attack." Once again, how do you know there are no WMD? Did saddam tell you this?

#1 How do you know we did?

#2 Moot

#3 Again, did he tell you?

In baseball, they would call that batting .000

Keep playing, I can put the ball on the tee for you if you like....

:roll:
 

XMan

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Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Then the US shouldn't have sold/given weapons to the Taliban and Saddam in the first place.

I didn't know the US manufactured RPGs, AK-47s, MiGs, T-60 tanks, or ZSU-23-4s.

Thanks for the info. :roll: Dumbass.
 

Red Dawn

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These Militias having all these ordinances is a direct result of Rummy following Chalabi's advice to disband the Iraqi Army. Once they were disbanded there was nobody to guaerd the weapons depots thus giving these Militias access to them.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
These Militias having all these ordinances is a direct result of Rummy following Chalabi's advice to disband the Iraqi Army. Once they were disbanded there was nobody to guaerd the weapons depots thus giving these Militias access to them.

THAT issue right there is one that in hind-sight looks monumentally stupid - disbanding the Army. However, I can understand why they thought it was a good idea at the time. It just didn't work out like they had hoped/figured. I think everyone in the brass or Whitehouse would agree that we probably shouldn't have done that in hindsight.

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