Susan Rice is who we thought she was

[Amused]

The fact we are debating this is nuts. It's amazing that people keep eating this stuff up. Just 2 weeks ago wasn't it that Obama asked the UK to spy on him? I would assume the diehards would learn.

Yes, and the right-wing cult media along with Trump himself is just throwing out shit to see what sticks in a desperate attempt to mitigate, divert and dilute the facts.

 

[cytg111]

you still don't get it, when Susan Rice made requests to have American names unmasked, she didn't know who those names were at the time.

she wasn't spying, if anything, it suggests that members of the Trump campaign were connected with questionable foreign behavior.

And the fact that IC granted the unmasking means that national security was indeed at risc.. otherwise it would have been denied.
While IC wont comment on ongoing investegations they just did anyway albeit indirectly. Heh and Trump started this process himself with his damned wiretapped tweets.. suicide by tweet. Dam Son. Thats ignorant.

 

[alien42]

Yes, I know. Why can some spot a con man and some can't? Isn't that the more important issue?

as James Randi said...

"There exists in society a very special class of persons that I have always referred to as the Believers. These are folks who have chosen to accept a certain religion, philosophy, theory, idea or notion and cling to that belief regardless of any evidence that might, for anyone else, bring it into doubt. They are the ones who encourage and support the fanatics and the frauds of any given age. No amount of evidence, no matter how strong, will bring them any enlightenment."

doesn't answer the why, but i have observed the same behavior in stock scams that people lose 100% of their investment.

 

[fskimospy]

Chiropt is an indoctrinated Trump drone. A victim of Russian psyops and Trump propaganda. He doesn't even understand how the FBI and CIA work. The FBI handles domestic issues and the CIA foreign, they are not allowed to cross over into the other one's realm. If the Russians are breaking the law domestically in the US; ie: hacking servers in the US and pushing propaganda domestically in the US with fake news on social media or whacko outlets like Breitbart, Dailycaller, Infowars - the FBI handles that because it's happening domestically.

These are challenged individuals. Trump and his team are under extreme scrutiny, the FBI in investigating them, Russia helped Trump win the election and Trump fanatics are desperate to grab onto anything to not face those facts. Trump could have excreted out any piece of propaganda and these fools would have run with it. The more relevant question is how much of an effect will this current Rice propaganda piece have on more objective people and how they view Trump. The drones will carry Trump's testicles no matter what, the undecideds not so much.

It's just feels over reals, which is ironic considering what they accuse liberals of.

 

[Amused]

And the fact that IC granted the unmasking means that national security was indeed at risc.. otherwise it would have been denied.
While IC wont comment on ongoing investegations they just did anyway albeit indirectly. Heh and Trump started this process himself with his damned wiretapped tweets.. suicide by tweet. Dam Son. Thats ignorant.

As president, he had advance knowledge and had been shown the CIA and FBI evidence a month ago. Hell, Trump himself walked out of the meeting admitting the Russians were involved.

He knew about the Russian wiretaps all along. This is him trying vainly to get out ahead of it. He most certainly did not spill the beans. He is trying to control the narrative by turning the story on it's head. By releasing it first himself as a conspiracy that he was tapped rather than waiting for it to come out as he and co-conspirators are charged.

 

[Moonbeam]

He gets it... he doesn't care. TrollTards aren't concerned with how stupid they are. They have convinced themselves they are right. At this point he's just following a script. Fuck this America hating conservaterrorist piece of shit and all like him. I hope him and his ilk see the inside of internment camps before It's over.... they are enemies of the State.

All well and good but My bet is that they feel just like you do and want you in a camp, and why would you want to go with their methodology when they just might win? At least when they gas you in some sort of chamber the future world may say, "geez these gasees got gassed but they didn't want to do that to the opposition. You have to give them points for that."

Of course passions demand satisfactions and it may be difficult to transcend a frustrated desire for justice just to serve some future idealism.

 

[alien42]

And the fact that IC granted the unmasking means that national security was indeed at risc.. otherwise it would have been denied.
While IC wont comment on ongoing investegations they just did anyway albeit indirectly. Heh and Trump started this process himself with his damned wiretapped tweets.. suicide by tweet. Dam Son. Thats ignorant.

and to add to all of that, Trump could declassify these documents at any time and he is the only person with that power. the simple fact that he hasn't says everything.

 

[Chiropteran]

you still don't get it, when Susan Rice made requests to have American names unmasked, she didn't know who those names were at the time.

According to her? She is already caught on the record LYING about it. You can't use her words to prove anything, she is a proven liar.

 

[Moonbeam]

as James Randi said...

"There exists in society a very special class of persons that I have always referred to as the Believers. These are folks who have chosen to accept a certain religion, philosophy, theory, idea or notion and cling to that belief regardless of any evidence that might, for anyone else, bring it into doubt. They are the ones who encourage and support the fanatics and the frauds of any given age. No amount of evidence, no matter how strong, will bring them any enlightenment."

doesn't answer the why, but i have observed the same behavior in stock scams that people lose 100% of their investment.

Yes and it doesn't answer the question. But I believe it fair to assume that people are this way who have some need to be that way. Would you agree with that? In our evolutionary past it wasn't a good idea to imagine a tiger is a butterfly so some force must be in play to overcome ones internal caution meter, no?

 

[cytg111]

As president, he had advance knowledge and had been shown the CIA and FBI evidence a month ago. Hell, Trump himself walked out of the meeting admitting the Russians were involved.

He knew about the Russian wiretaps all along. This is him trying vainly to get out ahead of it. He most certainly did not spill the beans. He is trying to control the narrative by turning the story on it's head. By releasing it first himself as a conspiracy that he was tapped rather than waiting for it to come out as he and co-conspirators are charged.

That makes alot of sense as a rational thinking strategist.. I think you give him too much credit though. What narrative is he trying to control? The judge and prosecuter is surely not biting and he has the worst approval ratings of a president ever(citation needed).. Noone able to save him is taking his drivel seriously.

 

[Chiropteran]

and to add to all of that, Trump could declassify these documents at any time and he is the only person with that power.

And the fact that IC granted the unmasking means that national security was indeed at risc.. otherwise it would have been denied.

So funny how you contradict each other while trying to ignore the news that is occuring.

"The president has that power!"

"The president can't even do that unless national security is at risk!"

 

[Amused]

According to her? She is already caught on the record LYING about it. You can't use her words to prove anything, she is a proven liar.

Provide valid proof she is lying about this.

Not innuendo. Not conspiracy logic. Actual, factual evidence she is lying about this subject right here.

 

[Chiropteran]

That makes alot of sense as a rational thinking strategist.. I think you give him too much credit though. What narrative is he trying to control? The judge and prosecuter is surely not biting and he has the worst approval ratings of a president ever(citation needed).. Noone able to save him is taking his drivel seriously.

Save him from what?

 

[Chiropteran]

Provide valid proof she is lying about this.

Not innuendo. Not conspiracy logic. Actual, factual evidence she is lying about this subject right here.

Watch the damn videos.

When you deny something, and then later admit to doing it: either you were lying when you denied it, or you were lying when you admitted to doing it.

Can't believe you are defending this idiot.

 

[Moonbeam]

According to her? She is already caught on the record LYING about it. You can't use her words to prove anything, she is a proven liar.

Nobody who can think will be persuaded by this argument because the only proof of her record of lying springs from your delusional state. In shour, I dismiss your argument because you chose an avatar that begins with a c and everybody knows that's bad. You are all alone in the world, the only one who knows that what you believe is true. I believe you probably believe in the delusions you invent but I can't match you in inventiveness. Your proof is comedy to me. so let me just take a moment to do what you do and simply tell you you're competently wrong. Now that that is settled, have you fed your cat?

 

[Amused]

Watch the damn videos.

When you deny something, and then later admit to doing it: either you were lying when you denied it, or you were lying when you admitted to doing it.

Can't believe you are defending this idiot.

She wanted nothing to do with it. And then was dragged back in.

So what? Prove she is lying.

Funny thing is, the CIA and FBI all say Trump wasn't tapped. They say the Russians were. But yeah, she's lying now.

Great illogic there.

Try harder.

 

[Chiropteran]

In shour, I dismiss your argument because you chose an avatar that begins with a c and everybody knows that's bad. /QUOTE]

Wow, liberalism is a mental disease.

My avatar is a Minotaur. Minotaur starts with "m".

 

[Chiropteran]

She wanted nothing to do with it. And then was dragged back in.

So what? Prove she is lying.

Funny thing is, the CIA and FBI all say Trump wasn't tapped. They say the Russians were. But yeah, she's lying now.

Great illogic there.

Try harder.

Okay, you want to make this interesting? When she goes to jail you will delete your account, k?

 

[Amused]

Okay, you want to make this interesting? When she goes to jail you will delete your account, k?

Fact: Trump was not wiretapped. Shady Russian spies were. (Source: FBI, CIA, Susan Rice)

Fact: Trump campaign staff and crew were recorded talking to said shady Russians via the taps on the Russian's phones.

Fact, Rice asked to"unmask" the Trumpers who were recorded in conversations with the shady Russians.

End of fucking thread.

 

[ivwshane]

Yeah, hmm, weird. Why would the incumbent want to spy on the opposite party during an election season?

Are you guys really this dense that the obvious motive escapes you?

Can you explain why comey wanted to write an op-ed about Russia involvement back in the middle of 2016 and Obama told him not to and instead waited until all the intelligence agencies weighed in on the issue? Can you explain that one boot licker?

 

[Chiropteran]

Fact: Trump was not wiretapped. Shady Russian spies were. (Source: FBI, CIA, Susan Rice)

Fact: Trump campaign staff and crew were recorded talking to said shady Russians via the taps on the Russian's phones.

Fact, Rice asked to"unmask" the Trumpers who were recorded in conversations with the shady Russians.

End of fucking thread.

The problem is, at the end of the day you are going to be proven wrong, but it won't matter because you will latch onto the next controversy.

If you are so positive she is telling the truth and did nothing wrong, why not agree to delete your account if she goes to jail?

 

[ivwshane]

Okay, you want to make this interesting? When she goes to jail you will delete your account, k?

When she doesn't will you delete your account and all your alt accounts?

 

[ivwshane]

The problem is, at the end of the day you are going to be proven wrong, but it won't matter because you will latch onto the next controversy.

If you are so positive she is telling the truth and did nothing wrong, why not agree to delete your account if she goes to jail?

You are projecting.

 

[Chiropteran]

Can you explain why comey wanted to write an op-ed about Russia involvement back in the middle of 2016 and Obama told him not to and instead waited until all the intelligence agencies weighed in on the issue? Can you explain that one boot licker?

No, I can't explain your dirty bedtime fantasies. Try a shrink.

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't know but from where I stand I can understand conservative angst. The widespread recognition that Trump is a Russian plant and can be blackmailed by them would cost his his Presidency and that means out the window with the Great Conservative Dream, fuck themselves by fucking America. I mean, who would allow reason and logic to get in the way of that?