Susan Rice is who we thought she was

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Chiropteran

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as are you. as is Trump.

why the fuck do you continue to cling to the dingleberries that Trump presents you? DO you honestly only care about what Chernovich shovels your way through your daily Periscope meetings? Are you ever going to be interested in rejoining this country at some point?

I don't lie. And apparently you are easily deceived by the media.

I do find your double standards hilarious, though.

"Well uh even if Rice contradicted herself, she hasn't been proven a liar, so you can't assume anything"

"yep, trump is an evil Russian plant, even though we have had surveillance on him for the last 8 months and still have zip to bring an actual case against him"
 

Ackmed

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Most of the media didn't report it? Wtf are you talking about?
What lie did she tell on the record?


I am talking about, reading different news sites when this broke, a lot avoided it. Not a peep about it. Not until she refuted it, did they write about it.

Sgt. Bergdahl wasn’t simply a hostage; he was an American prisoner of war captured on the battlefield," she stated. "He served the United States with honor and distinction ... This is such a joyous day

Do you think that is factual?

Blaming Benghazi on an internet video. Do you think that is factual?

I don't for either. "He served the United States with honor and distinction" this one really is as far from the truth as you can be from the information we have. Which I would call a lie.

But as I said, I will wait for further proof or not of anything in this case before making a call either way. Not that what I think really matters, but she does deserve the process of uncovering facts and getting down to the truth of things. As do others in similar situation, which rarely happens around here if they're from the right.
 

Chiropteran

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you're still a child, aren't you? I hope they require 10th grade civics in your local public school. You simply have no clue.

You always seemed like a decent guy when I conversed with you in offtopic. When did you become a huge jackass?
 

Chiropteran

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LOL @ piece of shit hoping for better treatment.

Weird, a minute ago everyone was accusing me of using alts. If I had an alt account why would I give a crap? I'd just switch accounts. You idiots can't even keep your lies straight.
 

agent00f

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Weird, a minute ago everyone was accusing me of using alts. If I had an alt account why would I give a crap? I'd just switch accounts. You idiots can't even keep your lies straight.

I'm sure this somehow makes sense to degenerates along with the other garbage they concoct.
 

thraashman

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Blaming Benghazi on an internet video. Do you think that is factual?
The FBI, the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, the guy who masterminded the Benghazi attack, and several members of a Benghazi militia group who participated in the attack all have said the video was partial to largely the motivation for the attack. So ... yeah, I'd say it's pretty factual.
 

Younigue

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I don't lie. And apparently you are easily deceived by the media.

I do find your double standards hilarious, though.

"Well uh even if Rice contradicted herself, she hasn't been proven a liar, so you can't assume anything"

"yep, trump is an evil Russian plant, even though we have had surveillance on him for the last 8 months and still have zip to bring an actual case against him"

I don't want them to rush the investigation to appease my desire to see Trump gone. I want everything they do have on him to stick. From what I can gather you would like very much for them to rush the investigation so you can continue to have a corrupt, despicable thing as your leader. I hate waiting but I would hate more if the their (factual) evidence fell apart due to negligence or lawyer scummery. That thing in highest office is a horrible, lawbreaking, scumbag who will take advantage of anyone including you. He has no moral compass with which to refer to ensure or assure anyone of anything because we're not his people. His people are his family, the best of and most willing c*cksuckers among the filthy rich and likely Putin. Unless you've had opportunity to get your mouth close to his pant-monster, you're out.
 

Chiropteran

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I don't want them to rush the investigation to appease my desire to see Trump gone. I want everything they do have on him to stick. From what I can gather you would like very much for them to rush the investigation so you can continue to have a corrupt, despicable thing as your leader. I hate waiting but I would hate more if the their (factual) evidence fell apart due to negligence or lawyer scummery. That thing in highest office is a horrible, lawbreaking, scumbag who will take advantage of anyone including you. He has no moral compass with which to refer to ensure or assure anyone of anything because we're not his people. His people are his family, the best of and most willing c*cksuckers among the filthy rich and likely Putin. Unless you've had opportunity to get your mouth close to his pant-monster, you're out.

I just don't even get this mindset. You think Trump is evil scum degenerate. Okay, sure. But what exactly is his evil plan behind giving people EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT?

I mean, if he was going to start skinning puppies alive or something I could understand the hate. But if his super dooper evil master plan is to just give the american people what they actually want, then what exactly is the big fear? You afraid that more jobs is going to ruin the world? Replacing obamacare with something less broken is a bad thing? Funding NASA makes Trump an evil villain?

Which policy of his, exactly, makes him so terrible?
 

agent00f

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I just don't even get this mindset. You think Trump is evil scum degenerate. Okay, sure. But what exactly is his evil plan behind giving people EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT?

I mean, if he was going to start skinning puppies alive or something I could understand the hate. But if his super dooper evil master plan is to just give the american people what they actually want, then what exactly is the big fear? You afraid that more jobs is going to ruin the world? Replacing obamacare with something less broken is a bad thing? Funding NASA makes Trump an evil villain?

Which policy of his, exactly, makes him so terrible?

Pretty easy to see that Trump's campaign is predicated on pandering to white nationalism, and also pretty easy to see why his degenerates don't see it as such.
 

Chiropteran

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Are you trying to imply minorities don't care about jobs? That is pretty fucking racist.

Trump is about the nation of America. The fact that you that you see focusing on ourselves as evil or terrible is really sad, IMO.
 

Moonbeam

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The mind of a liberal, folks. Rotten to the core.

I think it's worse than meth.
Thanks for admitting you're wrong because meth starts with an m too. If you tried to spell it like "m"eth you'd have had no chance. How is the cat?. Don't let agent embarrass you so badly you forget to feed him. He spends half his days trying to say that people hating themselves is too simplistic an answer to anything and the other half of the day trying to make others feel that way. You might almost guess he feels so bad about himself he wants others to feel the same.

By the way its a wise fox who knows his own scent. Take bat echo location for example. Bats fly around twittering fuck you fuck you in ultrasonic frequencies listening for when the fuck yous come back. They can get all fucked up knowing where they are if they get a signal back that mimics their own fuck you. Poor bats, when they hear themselves they go fuck you fuck you coming back they always imagine it's them who said it to somebody else. It's like stuffing "c"ocaine" in your ears.
 

Jhhnn

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I just don't even get this mindset. You think Trump is evil scum degenerate. Okay, sure. But what exactly is his evil plan behind giving people EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT?

I mean, if he was going to start skinning puppies alive or something I could understand the hate. But if his super dooper evil master plan is to just give the american people what they actually want, then what exactly is the big fear? You afraid that more jobs is going to ruin the world? Replacing obamacare with something less broken is a bad thing? Funding NASA makes Trump an evil villain?

Which policy of his, exactly, makes him so terrible?

Trump did not win majority support or even a plurality of support in the election yet he pursues a radical right agenda as if he did. It's not what the American people want at all.
 

Amused

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You always seemed like a decent guy when I conversed with you in offtopic. When did you become a huge jackass?

When the problem is with everyone else, that usually means the problem is with you.

Your complete lack of basic logic and critical thinking when it comes to these issues is why everyone is calling you out. Not only are you appearing ignorant, but you're using that to also appear like an all around awful person.

Maybe it's time for some introspection?
 

Younigue

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I just don't even get this mindset. You think Trump is evil scum degenerate. Okay, sure. But what exactly is his evil plan behind giving people EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT?

I mean, if he was going to start skinning puppies alive or something I could understand the hate. But if his super dooper evil master plan is to just give the american people what they actually want, then what exactly is the big fear? You afraid that more jobs is going to ruin the world? Replacing obamacare with something less broken is a bad thing? Funding NASA makes Trump an evil villain?

Which policy of his, exactly, makes him so terrible?

You are hysterical in the insane way. He won't fulfill any of those promises in the nature to which the people want. They don't seem to be able to replace The Affordable Care Act with anything resembling affordable and I don't mean just financially. He doesn't care about jobs. He cares about money for him and his rich friends. Have you not been paying attention to what he has been doing thus far? He is going to hurt the Environment, divide the people more than they already are. Segregate and demoralize. Hurt international relations. Poison the water. None of that is worth what "the people"(not me) think they want. He is a bigot surrounding himself by advisors and decision makers that are just as bad as him. The elderly, the people in need he will sacrifice... It goes on and on, his degree of deplorable knows no bounds.

These people you speak of, they would have to be a special kind of hateful to "want" what he's giving them. Stop being blind and so gross as to want these things. It's a horrible way to walk this earth among other humans. The system you think you want will tear the country apart. Ugh, just stop being gross.
 
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Chiropteran

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When the problem is with everyone else, that usually means the problem is with you.

Your complete lack of basic logic and critical thinking when it comes to these issues is why everyone is calling you out. Not only are you appearing ignorant, but you're using that to also appear like an all around awful person.

Maybe it's time for some introspection?

Sorry, it's just you and your cult that I have a problem with. Not "everyone else". Nice try.
 

Younigue

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Sorry, you are the one who is insane.

He already has fulfilled dozens of his promises.

Holy Hanna, you have no grasp on reality. You aren't just the run of the mill Trumpster, you're the all-in, flogging yourself in the name of a God named the Kumquat Twat. You'll have those scars for life you know? Any religion that requires you to hurt yourself is a batsh*t crazy religion. Mmm'kay.
 
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agent00f

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Are you trying to imply minorities don't care about jobs? That is pretty fucking racist.

Trump is about the nation of America. The fact that you that you see focusing on ourselves as evil or terrible is really sad, IMO.

Minorities largely don't vote for degenerates who try their best to avoid criticizing the klan. Contrast that those who're all about blaming their problems on lower status browns.
 

Chiropteran

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Holy Hanna, you have no grasp on reality. You aren't just the run of the mill Trumpster, you're the all-in, flogging yourself in the name of a God named the Kumquat Twat. You'll have those scars for life you know?

So you think appointing a supreme court justice is evil and terrible?

You think suspending immigration from certain countries for safety reasons is terrible and evil? (Hint: obama did it first, where was your outrage?)

You think our tax dollars should be going to illegal immigrants with no oversight or controls?

You hate jobs? I guess that has been established.

You think the trans-pacific partnership was a good idea?

You hate promoting women in STEM jobs?

You love NAFTA now?

You prefer the people of flint suffer longer, instead of getting aid?

Fuck it, I don't have the patience to type it all out. Trump did more good in a quarter than Obama did in 8 years.


Campaign Promise 1: To replace Antonin Scalia with a like-minded justice from a list of 20

Campaign Promise 2: To suspend immigration from terror-prone countries

  • Trump has attempted to enact a Travel Ban that is 100% CONSTITUTIONAL AND is made from the seven (six, now) "countries of concern" outlined by the Hussein Administration. This has been blocked by an extremely liberal Hawaiian judge who was appointed by Obama. (The blocking of this travel ban might piss me off more than anything that has happened during his presidency, because judges should be blind to politics, but that is proving to be false.) Hopefully this will go to the Supreme Court and be overturned quickly.
Campaign Promise 3: To defund and crack down on sanctuary cities

  • Trump has implemented a YUGE crackdown on sanctuary cities, threatening to defund them
Campaign Promise 4: To revive the Keystone Pipeline and Dakota Access Pipeline

Campaign Promise 5: To pull the US out of the TPP, an Obama-era trade deal detrimental to the US

  • Trump pulled us out of the TPP which would have been absolutely disastrous for the US
Campaign Promise 6: DONALD TRUMP LOVES WOMEN AND WANTS TO HELP WOMEN!

  • Trump has signed an Executive Order promoting women in STEM jobs (careers real feminists strive for, not "dance therapy" feminists)

  • Trump has Launched a Council empowering female leaders and female entrepreneurs
Campaign Promise 7: To renegotiate, or pull out of Bill Clinton's terrible trade deal, NAFTA

  • Trump met with Justin Trudeau (what a joke) to discuss the tweaking of NAFTA to benefit the US more, after he threatens to leave it
Campaign Promise 8: To undo ridiculous Obama-era federal agency regulations

Campaign Promise 9: To rollback Obama-era regulations on small businesses

  • Trump has rolled back ridiculous Obama-era regulations that have made it nearly impossible for small businesses to hire employees
Campaign Promise 10: To help America's inner-cities deeply in need of rebuilding

  • Trump has signed an Executive Order to give major funding to "Historically Black Colleges and Universities," helping out inner-cities immensely
Campaign Promise 11: To protect our policemen, the true everyday heroes

Campaign Promise 12: To crackdown on illegal immigration and to BUILD A WALL

Campaign Promise 13: To bolster our depleted military

  • Trump has increased our military budget because we don't want to use our military, but want to be prepared to use it
Campaign Promise 14: To enact a five year lobbying ban on government Officials after they leave office

Campaign Promise 15: To crackdown on drug cartels and illegal drugs crossing the border

Campaign Promise 16: To revitalize the dying coal industry in the US

Campaign Promise 17: To create American JOBS and bring companies back to America

  • Trump negotiated a deal with Carrier promising to bring manufacturing and jobs back to the US.

  • Trump has met with CEOs from huge companies to work on bringing jobs back to America

  • There was an increase of 298,000 jobs in February alone (liberals will say that counts in Obama's fiscal year, but we know the truth)

  • Trump met with Intel CEO who promised $7 Billion investment and over 3,000 high paying (not "shovel ready" bullshit jobs) in America

  • Trump met with the CEO of Softbank who has promised 50,000 more American jobs and has already fulfilled 3,000 of those jobs

  • Kroger has promised over 10,000 new jobs in the era of Trump

  • The month of March yielded 263,000 new jobs, which passes the month's estimated 185,000 Big League
Campaign Promise 18: Pushing NATO allies to pay their fair share or face the reality of the US possibly leaving

  • Trump has put major pressure on the members of NATO to pay their fair and equal share because there are only a handful of countries in NATO who currently pay as much as agreed upon
Campaign Promise 19: To make America energy independent, relieving us from our dependence on foreign entities, such as OPEC

Campaign Promise 20: To enact a hiring freeze on government employees to help stop corruption

  • Trump enacted a hiring freeze to all federal employees, cutting down on the over-bloated bureaucracy
Campaign Promise 21: Trump could be the president that takes us to Mars!

  • Trump signed a Bill allowing NASA funding, including an exploration to Mars
Campaign Promise 22: To undo many of Obama's unconstitutional Executive Orders

Campaign Promise 23: The repeal and replacement of Obamacare. The recent GOP fallout of AHCA Plan was no fault of Trump's. The blame solely belongs to Speaker Ryan. He created a shit bill and couldn't even capitalize to get enough votes. Obamacare will crash in 2017 when individual mandates kick in and Democrats will be to blame. That is when Trump will truly work to Repeal and Replace it with a plan he promised us.

  • Trump got rid of the idiotic penalty in Obamacare that fines you if you choose not to participate in the program
Campaign Promise 24: To "Bomb the shit out of ISIS"

  • He called for a drone strike in Afghanistan killing Qari Yasin, a Pakistani Al-Qaeda leader
Campaign Promise 25: To not take a salary as President

ACTIONS NOT PROMISED ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, BUT HAVE BEEN PUT IN EFFECT:

  1. (Even though it was Mike Pence) The defunding of clinics that perform abortions. Because no matter whether you are pro-choice/pro-life, the government should not be funding abortions. (Also, if people bring up the Hyde Amendment which is supposed to not let any federal funding go towards abortions, LET THEM KNOW that US taxpayers pay for about 24% of abortions despite of that "amendment")

  2. Huge spikes in the NASDAQ average index and the DOW average index starting November 8th. (This will count for Obama unfortunately, but we know where the real credit belongs.)

  3. He has placed sanctions on Iran after they tested ballistic missiles

  4. He has met with/talked to over 30 foreign leaders.

  5. Trump has moved on to tax reform, lowering taxes for Americans

  6. He negotiated down the Price of the new Air Force One one billion dollars in a meeting that lasted just one hour

  7. He issued major cuts to the costs of the F-35 saving billions

  8. He has opened the eyes of the American public to just how unbelievably corrupt (pretty believable to most) the Hussein Administration was.
 

ivwshane

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I am talking about, reading different news sites when this broke, a lot avoided it. Not a peep about it. Not until she refuted it, did they write about it.



Do you think that is factual?

Blaming Benghazi on an internet video. Do you think that is factual?

I don't for either. "He served the United States with honor and distinction" this one really is as far from the truth as you can be from the information we have. Which I would call a lie.

But as I said, I will wait for further proof or not of anything in this case before making a call either way. Not that what I think really matters, but she does deserve the process of uncovering facts and getting down to the truth of things. As do others in similar situation, which rarely happens around here if they're from the right.

I suggest you get some new news sources then.

As for her comment on what she said about bergdahl, it was appropriate. I doubt you thought it was appropriate because you apparently think it's ok for people of power to claim someone is guilty of a crime before the accused has had any trial. I also suspect that had the Obama came out and claimed the guy was a traitor you and your idiot friends would have been screaming bloody murder for talking shit about a US soldier.
 

Chiropteran

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Minorities largely don't vote for degenerates who try their best to avoid criticizing the klan. Contrast that those who're all about blaming their problems on lower status browns.

Oh, is that why she lost?

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Younigue

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So you think appointing a supreme court justice is evil and terrible?

You think suspending immigration from certain countries for safety reasons is terrible and evil? (Hint: obama did it first, where was your outrage?)

You think our tax dollars should be going to illegal immigrants with no oversight or controls?

You hate jobs? I guess that has been established.

You think the trans-pacific partnership was a good idea?

You hate promoting women in STEM jobs?

You love NAFTA now?

You prefer the people of flint suffer longer, instead of getting aid?

Fuck it, I don't have the patience to type it all out. Trump did more good in a quarter than Obama did in 8 years.


Campaign Promise 1: To replace Antonin Scalia with a like-minded justice from a list of 20

Campaign Promise 2: To suspend immigration from terror-prone countries

  • Trump has attempted to enact a Travel Ban that is 100% CONSTITUTIONAL AND is made from the seven (six, now) "countries of concern" outlined by the Hussein Administration. This has been blocked by an extremely liberal Hawaiian judge who was appointed by Obama. (The blocking of this travel ban might piss me off more than anything that has happened during his presidency, because judges should be blind to politics, but that is proving to be false.) Hopefully this will go to the Supreme Court and be overturned quickly.
Campaign Promise 3: To defund and crack down on sanctuary cities

  • Trump has implemented a YUGE crackdown on sanctuary cities, threatening to defund them
Campaign Promise 4: To revive the Keystone Pipeline and Dakota Access Pipeline

Campaign Promise 5: To pull the US out of the TPP, an Obama-era trade deal detrimental to the US

  • Trump pulled us out of the TPP which would have been absolutely disastrous for the US
Campaign Promise 6: DONALD TRUMP LOVES WOMEN AND WANTS TO HELP WOMEN!

  • Trump has signed an Executive Order promoting women in STEM jobs (careers real feminists strive for, not "dance therapy" feminists)

  • Trump has Launched a Council empowering female leaders and female entrepreneurs
Campaign Promise 7: To renegotiate, or pull out of Bill Clinton's terrible trade deal, NAFTA

  • Trump met with Justin Trudeau (what a joke) to discuss the tweaking of NAFTA to benefit the US more, after he threatens to leave it
Campaign Promise 8: To undo ridiculous Obama-era federal agency regulations

Campaign Promise 9: To rollback Obama-era regulations on small businesses

  • Trump has rolled back ridiculous Obama-era regulations that have made it nearly impossible for small businesses to hire employees
Campaign Promise 10: To help America's inner-cities deeply in need of rebuilding

  • Trump has signed an Executive Order to give major funding to "Historically Black Colleges and Universities," helping out inner-cities immensely
Campaign Promise 11: To protect our policemen, the true everyday heroes

Campaign Promise 12: To crackdown on illegal immigration and to BUILD A WALL

Campaign Promise 13: To bolster our depleted military

  • Trump has increased our military budget because we don't want to use our military, but want to be prepared to use it
Campaign Promise 14: To enact a five year lobbying ban on government Officials after they leave office

Campaign Promise 15: To crackdown on drug cartels and illegal drugs crossing the border

Campaign Promise 16: To revitalize the dying coal industry in the US

Campaign Promise 17: To create American JOBS and bring companies back to America

  • Trump negotiated a deal with Carrier promising to bring manufacturing and jobs back to the US.

  • Trump has met with CEOs from huge companies to work on bringing jobs back to America

  • There was an increase of 298,000 jobs in February alone (liberals will say that counts in Obama's fiscal year, but we know the truth)

  • Trump met with Intel CEO who promised $7 Billion investment and over 3,000 high paying (not "shovel ready" bullshit jobs) in America

  • Trump met with the CEO of Softbank who has promised 50,000 more American jobs and has already fulfilled 3,000 of those jobs

  • Kroger has promised over 10,000 new jobs in the era of Trump

  • The month of March yielded 263,000 new jobs, which passes the month's estimated 185,000 Big League
Campaign Promise 18: Pushing NATO allies to pay their fair share or face the reality of the US possibly leaving

  • Trump has put major pressure on the members of NATO to pay their fair and equal share because there are only a handful of countries in NATO who currently pay as much as agreed upon
Campaign Promise 19: To make America energy independent, relieving us from our dependence on foreign entities, such as OPEC

Campaign Promise 20: To enact a hiring freeze on government employees to help stop corruption

  • Trump enacted a hiring freeze to all federal employees, cutting down on the over-bloated bureaucracy
Campaign Promise 21: Trump could be the president that takes us to Mars!

  • Trump signed a Bill allowing NASA funding, including an exploration to Mars
Campaign Promise 22: To undo many of Obama's unconstitutional Executive Orders

Campaign Promise 23: The repeal and replacement of Obamacare. The recent GOP fallout of AHCA Plan was no fault of Trump's. The blame solely belongs to Speaker Ryan. He created a shit bill and couldn't even capitalize to get enough votes. Obamacare will crash in 2017 when individual mandates kick in and Democrats will be to blame. That is when Trump will truly work to Repeal and Replace it with a plan he promised us.

  • Trump got rid of the idiotic penalty in Obamacare that fines you if you choose not to participate in the program
Campaign Promise 24: To "Bomb the shit out of ISIS"

  • He called for a drone strike in Afghanistan killing Qari Yasin, a Pakistani Al-Qaeda leader
Campaign Promise 25: To not take a salary as President

ACTIONS NOT PROMISED ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, BUT HAVE BEEN PUT IN EFFECT:

  1. (Even though it was Mike Pence) The defunding of clinics that perform abortions. Because no matter whether you are pro-choice/pro-life, the government should not be funding abortions. (Also, if people bring up the Hyde Amendment which is supposed to not let any federal funding go towards abortions, LET THEM KNOW that US taxpayers pay for about 24% of abortions despite of that "amendment")

  2. Huge spikes in the NASDAQ average index and the DOW average index starting November 8th. (This will count for Obama unfortunately, but we know where the real credit belongs.)

  3. He has placed sanctions on Iran after they tested ballistic missiles

  4. He has met with/talked to over 30 foreign leaders.

  5. Trump has moved on to tax reform, lowering taxes for Americans

  6. He negotiated down the Price of the new Air Force One one billion dollars in a meeting that lasted just one hour

  7. He issued major cuts to the costs of the F-35 saving billions

  8. He has opened the eyes of the American public to just how unbelievably corrupt (pretty believable to most) the Hussein Administration was.
Lol, f*ck it. Drink the kool aid. I swear you won't like it. Just did a cooking competition with my friends and Orange kool-aid was one of the secret ingredients. It was horrible!