Survivors of Abortions

[Moonbeam]

luvly, you can make out with me any time, but let me brush first. I'm paranoid about having corn stuck to my teeth.

 

[imported_Papi]

As I always say.

Unless you are the one having the abortion done. You don't have any say and your opinion means shiite. Shut up and mind your own business.

You can't be against abortion and complain about the economy all at the same time.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: yayo
As I always say.

Unless you are the one having the abortion done. You don't have any say and your opinion means shiite. Shut up and mind your own business.

So a baby is just private property? Did you see the mother that was beating her daughter, caught on camera (wasn't it at a walmart?) I guess that applies there too...

 

[ATLien247]

So, Moonbeam, since you believe there is absurdity in absolutes, do you also believe in the concept of "right and wrong"?

 

[Moonbeam]

ATLien247, Yes, I have such an absurd belief.

 

[ATLien247]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
ATLien247, Yes, I have such an absurd belief.

Well, that almost explains everything that you spout...

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bush lost the popular vote; he lost in Florida; he was appointed by the Supreme Coup. Because he is a Christian Fundamentalist, the notion that he has no mandate does not exist. He was elected by God to reverse the long difficult road women have been marching to equality. The Republicans will not eliminate abortion, but they will succeed, I'm pretty sure, in driving it into the back alleys for the poor and other countries for their daughters.

A vote for a conservative is a vote for a whole host of pernicious retrograde stupidities.

Where is the ignore the BS button when you need one?

 

[bGIveNs33]

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Bush lost the popular vote; he lost in Florida; he was appointed by the Supreme Coup. Because he is a Christian Fundamentalist, the notion that he has no mandate does not exist. He was elected by God to reverse the long difficult road women have been marching to equality. The Republicans will not eliminate abortion, but they will succeed, I'm pretty sure, in driving it into the back alleys for the poor and other countries for their daughters.

A vote for a conservative is a vote for a whole host of pernicious retrograde stupidities.

Where is the ignore the BS button when you need one?

Exactly.

As we all know, the popular vote doesn't matter when it comes to the presidential election. If you have a problem with it, than call your local congressman. Bush did NOT loose in Florida. And the Supreme court stepped in because the Florida supreme court was breaking federal law. Please know the facts before you say stuff like that. That is propaganda and you should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

"What is actually sacred is consciousness and the sense of self, the person who knows that he or she is." - Moonbeam

Thanks for telling us, once and for all, what is actually sacred. Actually, it sound like any child up to six months should qualify for arbitrary beheading at your whim or convenience by your definition of "sacred."

Your definition of sacred is just that, your definition. My definition is different and extends to the earliest biological signs of life which will eventually lead to consciousness and sense of self. Whose right? There's no way to prove that either sides definition is "right.", so why take a chance? Go with the most conservative estimate just on the chance that exterminating a fetus is murdering something sacred.

Nazi Germany argued that Jews were "less than" to justify their genocide. That same argument is being made against children in their mother's wombs in America today by people like you.

 

[JellyBaby]

Go with the most conservative estimate just on the chance that exterminating a fetus is murdering something sacred.

Or, because you're not sure whether aborting a fetus constitutes taking a life, leave the option up to the parent.

Seems to be it's all opinion and that's why conflict with this issue persists.

 

[Moonbeam]

Oh man, am I confused. First I get accused of spouting because I believe in right and wrong, even though I confess it's absurd. Then when I explain to everybody what is right and wrong, I get told it's just my opinion. What a terrible mess. Maybe there isn't any such thing as right and wrong, then. Maybe all this is just a big argument between people who have been brainwashed to think one way or another. If there's no truth, no right and wrong, then I guess we'll just have to make something up. OK, how about we give women choice since it's all a subjective decision anyway.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Oh man, am I confused. First I get accused of spouting because I believe in right and wrong, even though I confess it's absurd. Then when I explain to everybody what is right and wrong, I get told it's just my opinion. What a terrible mess. Maybe there isn't any such thing as right and wrong, then. Maybe all this is just a big argument between people who have been brainwashed to think one way or another. If there's no truth, no right and wrong, then I guess we'll just have to make something up.

I agree.

OK, how about we give women choice since it's all a subjective decision anyway.

How about we don't?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ATLien247

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
ATLien247, Yes, I have such an absurd belief.

Well, that almost explains everything that you spout...

To bad you've never said anything here worth remembering. Try coming up with a worthwhile comment or opinion of your own regarding this or any other issue before you slam somebody for being absurd.

 

[ATLien247]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
To bad you've never said anything here worth remembering. Try coming up with a worthwhile comment or opinion of your own regarding this or any other issue before you slam somebody for being absurd.

Too bad for not having said anything memorable? That would depend on if it was intended as such. I try not to express myself too much here in ATOT, because I usually get flamed for it. And flamed for no other reason than that I might disagree with somebody else who's more mouthy than I.

I know Moonbeam understood what I asked him based on how he answered. I did not intend it as a "slam", so there's no need for you to come to his defense, Red.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: ATLien247

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
To bad you've never said anything here worth remembering. Try coming up with a worthwhile comment or opinion of your own regarding this or any other issue before you slam somebody for being absurd.

Too bad for not having said anything memorable? That would depend on if it was intended as such. I try not to express myself too much here in ATOT, because I usually get flamed for it. And flamed for no other reason than that I might disagree with somebody else who's more mouthy than I.

I know Moonbeam understood what I asked him based on how he answered. I did not intend it as a "slam", so there's no need for you to come to his defense, Red.

Of course there isn't any need, Moonie can deal with the best of them here. I guess I just get frustrated reading the same tripe from the mindless conservative clones (well regarding Abortion)

 

[Moonbeam]

ATLien247, now that we've got that out of the way preliminaries out of the way, perhaps you'd care to tell me what you meant by:

So, Moonbeam, since you believe there is absurdity in absolutes, do you also believe in the concept of "right and wrong"? and:

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
ATLien247, Yes, I have such an absurd belief.
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Well, that almost explains everything that you spout...
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I have to say that I don't know whether you think I'm spouting because I believe in absolutes that I admit are absurd or because I'm not an absolutist or what.

All I can figure for sure, upon reflection, is that you probably chose the word 'spout' to imply that I'm a fountain of wisdom.


By the way, there's nothing quite so gratifying on ATOT, here, as having Red on your side. Pardon me if I savor my temporary delight.


Edit: PS, I'm asking your opinion.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: ATLien247

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
To bad you've never said anything here worth remembering. Try coming up with a worthwhile comment or opinion of your own regarding this or any other issue before you slam somebody for being absurd.

Too bad for not having said anything memorable? That would depend on if it was intended as such. I try not to express myself too much here in ATOT, because I usually get flamed for it. And flamed for no other reason than that I might disagree with somebody else who's more mouthy than I.

I know Moonbeam understood what I asked him based on how he answered. I did not intend it as a "slam", so there's no need for you to come to his defense, Red.

Of course there isn't any need, Moonie can deal with the best of them here. I guess I just get frustrated reading the same tripe from the mindless conservative clones (well regarding Abortion)

how's that any different than the moraless liberal clones

this is a debate not to be decided on ATOT - people don't change their minds in chat rooms, just by living life... it just seems that we've got a lot of wannabe liberals and die-hard conservatives in here expressing themselves but expression isn't going to lead to anything, just frustration from both parties. Thread is over guys! Go home! Spend some time with your significant other! And for heaven's sake use a condom to prevent these threads from having to happen in the first place! :Q

hmm... which actually brings a thought to my head... How many of you guys who support pro-choice, consider abortions as a means of "casual birth control"? Come on, I want to see some hands!

 

[cressida]

eh..... It's gettin' hot in here (so hot). So take off all your clothes

 

[JellyBaby]

people don't change their minds in chat rooms, just by living life

If you're open to new ideas, AT can indeed change you. I came in here confident the War on Drugs was just and worthwhile and stuff like weed was the devil's tool. After a couple of threads of heated discussion whereupon Red Dawn called me a wanker (and made some great points, too), I had a totally different opinion.

Also, I had no idea a libertarian party existed and my study of history was rather poor up until I found this place. My opinion on hardware changed a bit, too, but definitely my philosophy was tested by OT.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: JellyBaby

people don't change their minds in chat rooms, just by living life

If you're open to new ideas, AT can indeed change you. I came in here confident the War on Drugs was just and worthwhile and stuff like weed was the devil's tool. After a couple of threads of heated discussion whereupon Red Dawn called me a wanker (and made some great points, too), I had a totally different opinion.

Also, I had no idea a libertarian party existed and my study of history was rather poor up until I found this place. My opinion on hardware changed a bit, too, but definitely my philosophy was tested by OT.

Nooooo! Watch out! The liberals are eating you alive! Don't fall for the trap!

Here's the scenario - liberals make decisions based on "feelings" and only people's "feelings" have any weight in society. Conservatives make decisions based on "facts" and facts outweigh "feelings". Which is why conservatives are "clones", because their unanimous agreement is based on... facts. Liberals are each unique, very diverse, because they make life decisions based on how it affects their own feelings or somebody else's feelings. Regardless of moral implication. Because morals have no place in feelings - they're restrictive. Feelings have no place in morals, which is why conservatives appear to liberals as being so cold hearted.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: JellyBaby

people don't change their minds in chat rooms, just by living life

If you're open to new ideas, AT can indeed change you. I came in here confident the War on Drugs was just and worthwhile and stuff like weed was the devil's tool. After a couple of threads of heated discussion whereupon Red Dawn called me a wanker (and made some great points, too), I had a totally different opinion.

Also, I had no idea a libertarian party existed and my study of history was rather poor up until I found this place. My opinion on hardware changed a bit, too, but definitely my philosophy was tested by OT.

Nooooo! Watch out! The liberals are eating you alive! Don't fall for the trap!

Here's the scenario - liberals make decisions based on "feelings" and only people's "feelings" have any weight in society. Conservatives make decisions based on "facts" and facts outweigh "feelings". Which is why conservatives are "clones", because their unanimous agreement is based on... facts. Liberals are each unique, very diverse, because they make life decisions based on how it affects their own feelings or somebody else's feelings. Regardless of moral implication. Because morals have no place in feelings - they're restrictive. Feelings have no place in morals, which is why conservatives appear to liberals as being so cold hearted.

So sad, to be unaware of your own ignorance.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: SagaLore

Originally posted by: JellyBaby

people don't change their minds in chat rooms, just by living life

If you're open to new ideas, AT can indeed change you. I came in here confident the War on Drugs was just and worthwhile and stuff like weed was the devil's tool. After a couple of threads of heated discussion whereupon Red Dawn called me a wanker (and made some great points, too), I had a totally different opinion.

Also, I had no idea a libertarian party existed and my study of history was rather poor up until I found this place. My opinion on hardware changed a bit, too, but definitely my philosophy was tested by OT.

Nooooo! Watch out! The liberals are eating you alive! Don't fall for the trap!

Here's the scenario - liberals make decisions based on "feelings" and only people's "feelings" have any weight in society. Conservatives make decisions based on "facts" and facts outweigh "feelings". Which is why conservatives are "clones", because their unanimous agreement is based on... facts. Liberals are each unique, very diverse, because they make life decisions based on how it affects their own feelings or somebody else's feelings. Regardless of moral implication. Because morals have no place in feelings - they're restrictive. Feelings have no place in morals, which is why conservatives appear to liberals as being so cold hearted.

So sad, to be unaware of your own ignorance.

Just an observation! Deny it all you want. (and denial = ignorance!)

btw, sorry to have hurt your feelings!

 

[no0b]

 

[JellyBaby]

Nooooo! Watch out! The liberals are eating you alive! Don't fall for the trap!

Here's the scenario - liberals make decisions based on "feelings" and only people's "feelings" have any weight in society. Conservatives make decisions based on "facts" and facts outweigh "feelings". Which is why conservatives are "clones", because their unanimous agreement is based on... facts. Liberals are each unique, very diverse, because they make life decisions based on how it affects their own feelings or somebody else's feelings. Regardless of moral implication. Because morals have no place in feelings - they're restrictive. Feelings have no place in morals, which is why conservatives appear to liberals as being so cold hearted.

Some of my beliefs are very liberal but I'm about as far from a stereotypical socialist liberal democrat as you can get if that's what you infer. I think once you gain a bit of experience you'll find categorizing people (who are often surprisingly complex) into political categories is a mistake and substantially limits your worldview.

 

[Moonbeam]

Nooooo! Watch out! The liberals are eating you alive! Don't fall for the trap!

Here's the scenario - liberals make decisions based on "feelings" and only people's "feelings" have any weight in society. Conservatives make decisions based on "facts" and facts outweigh "feelings". Which is why conservatives are "clones", because their unanimous agreement is based on... facts. Liberals are each unique, very diverse, because they make life decisions based on how it affects their own feelings or somebody else's feelings. Regardless of moral implication. Because morals have no place in feelings - they're restrictive. Feelings have no place in morals, which is why conservatives appear to liberals as being so cold hearted.
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That was a wonderfully emotion filled rant. Too bad it's nothing but a factless emotional outburst. As soon as you at least figure out that you are filled with emotionalism you can begin the difficult task of sorting out which of your emotions is rational and which are the product of insanity. One begins to know, to be capable of discernment, to have wisdom when one can contact and feel fully and freely as your were supposed to. The cold heartedness you describe is so because it is dead, repressed, anally retentive. It is fear of being alive, of living, of being vulnerable, of being able to be hurt. You are in fact up side down in reality. To suppress feeling is to be blind to the source of joy. It is depression, emptiness, and meaninglessness.

You can't eliminate feeling, you can only deny to yourself and others that you have them. It is the inability to feel that makes man a monster.