Surprise, surprise, Joe Biden was a draft dodger

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NeoV

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Saying a president has to have military experience is ignorant.

Prof J - let me see if I understand correctly - McCain's military service is heroic - Kerry's can be completely ignored because he had the balls to question what they did - Cheney's deferments are not as bad as Biden's - and no mention of Bush and his 'alleged' service in the National Guard?

That's quite the convoluted little world you live in.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Genx87
As I have already said. How can a person like Obama instruct our military into battle if he hasnt himself or at least served?

I find that argument weak. We elect leaders to carry out the job description regardless of past qualifications. In this case a president will send our troops into battle even if he\she hasnt done so themselves.
Nobody said anything about his qualifications just his lack of character.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Genx87
As I have already said. How can a person like Obama instruct our military into battle if he hasnt himself or at least served?

I find that argument weak. We elect leaders to carry out the job description regardless of past qualifications. In this case a president will send our troops into battle even if he\she hasnt done so themselves.
Nobody said anything about his qualifications just his lack of character.

And what is his character in this instance based on?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Genx87
As I have already said. How can a person like Obama instruct our military into battle if he hasnt himself or at least served?

I find that argument weak. We elect leaders to carry out the job description regardless of past qualifications. In this case a president will send our troops into battle even if he\she hasnt done so themselves.
Nobody said anything about his qualifications just his lack of character.

And what is his character in this instance based on?
Him being a hypocritical asshole.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Genx87
As I have already said. How can a person like Obama instruct our military into battle if he hasnt himself or at least served?

I find that argument weak. We elect leaders to carry out the job description regardless of past qualifications. In this case a president will send our troops into battle even if he\she hasnt done so themselves.
Nobody said anything about his qualifications just his lack of character.

And what is his character in this instance based on?
Him being a hypocritical asshole.

How?
 

racolvin

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Funny thing about these criticisms is that we condemn people for doing what was within their legal power to avoid going somewhere for a war that is commonly considered a waste of time and in any case was a hellish activity. Would I have avoided going? You can bet your ass.

I can agree with you with one proviso: If you went out of your way to avoid serving and possibly getting killed, do NOT try to put yourself in an official capacity to send other peoples children off to war to do the dying that you yourself so studiously avoided.

I could care less which party is involved but government service is no different than being a good employee manager: never ask your employees to do something you wouldn't do yourself.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: winnar111
When did Biden vote against this war? Oh, he didn't.

When did your Traitor In Chief and his cabal of traitors, murderers. torturers, war criminals, war profiteers and liars feed all of their lies pimping their war to Congress and the American people? Could it be before they were rushed to a vote?

I haven't posted a long, docuemented list of their lies for a couple of days. Please search for it before challenging the fact that the Bushwhackos lied about their "reasons" for starting their criminal war.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: Woofmeister
Don't worry though, while McCain was being tortured by the North Vietnamese, Biden was doing his own bit for America--graduating from a second tier law school.

Edit Wait, did I call Syracuse University College of Law a second tier law school? My mistake, it's more like fourth tier.

1) I have no idea what tier Syracuse was in the 1960's when he went there, but now it's a tier 1 school.

US News

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...ollege_of_Law#Rankings

2) McCain graduated the naval academy 5th from last out of a class of 899. That's 895th out of 899.
http://www.hometownannapolis.c...adne/2008/03_31-16/TOP

3) Palin went through 3 undergraduate schools before graduating with a degree.

4) Obama? (First black) Editor of the Law Review at the most prestigious law school in the world.

I don't think you want to go digging into academic credentials this cycle.
 

m1ldslide1

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Biden had the good judgement not to go murder innocent Vietnamese for wanting to be free of occupation (from US/France/Japan/et al)? One more reason to vote for him.


No shit. What I'd like to know however is his motive - did he disagree with the war for the obvious reasons that imperialism and murder are immoral, or did he just not want to go because he wanted to make money at home instead?
 

Svnla

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Craig,

First of all, I have to give you kudos to take time out and reply in a long and thoughtfull way. You do have some insights and didn't blow out smoke in this subject.

When I said "invade and occupied our land", I didn't use it as a figure of speech. Those communists took our family properties and lands because we were "evil and took advance of the poor peansants"...in their words...nevermind that our parents worked very hard to pay for those lands/properties. At least we didn't get treat like Khmer Rouge regime did to their own people in Cambodia.

The communists did try to unify the country...but by force...via proxy with the VC <Vietcong...ie...southern Vietnamese communists> and attacks <Tet offense>. They never used any free elections so the people from the North and South could decided their future.

I know about the deal HCM tried to have with the US government right after the end of WWII. Too bad things didn't turn out that way.
 

CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: palehorse
At this point in time, only ego can account for any U.S. citizen who believes themselves above drafted service to the U.S. There has not yet been any war in U.S. history that justifies such a decision -- therefore, it can only be described as cowardice.

There has not been a war since WW2 where the draft has been justified, therefore everyone is above the draft.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: Svnla
Originally posted by: Craig234
Biden had the good judgement not to go murder innocent Vietnamese for wanting to be free of occupation (from US/France/Japan/et al)? One more reason to vote for him.

Commies from the North are innocent and want to be free of occupation??? What good book of history you been reading? Must be some good books from Hanoi Jane.

Why don't you ask the true innocent Southern Vietnameses want to be free and live free from Communist rule how bad those commies treated them. How about millions of Catholics from the North moved South before the country was divided in half to get away from Communist. How the North invaded the South and took over in 1975. How all those Southern Vietnameses lost their families/homes/properties/their kids couldn't go to college or get a good job just because they were not in the Communist party. Shall I go on?

Ever hear of "re-educated" camps in Vietnam? Ever hear of the Killing Fields in Cambodia? Ever hear of boat people? I was one of those boat people and spent time in the refugee camps and I can speak from first hand experience, it was NOT fun <just survived>.

My good god. I don't post in PnN much but some of you are so blind in partision/bickering just for the sake of politics..it is so sad.

I see you've met Craig, one of our resident COMMUNISTS. Sorry about that...

Very nice reply btw! :thumbsup:

FIXED

ugh, where's Joe McCarthy when you need him.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Originally posted by: palehorse
At this point in time, only ego can account for any U.S. citizen who believes themselves above drafted service to the U.S. There has not yet been any war in U.S. history that justifies such a decision -- therefore, it can only be described as cowardice.

There has not been a war since WW2 where the draft has been justified, therefore everyone is above the draft.

Like I said, "ego"...

move.
 

Woofmeister

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And we still wait for the routine release of Biden's medical records to confirm his chronic asthma. Even some of the more hysterical Obama supporters in the media are beginning to notice that Biden is dragging his feet.
 

fskimospy

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Wow, this thread is retarded. The reason Cheney's deferments were news was because of his outspoken and vehement support for the two wars in question. Biden was not a supporter of the Vietnam war and he is not a supporter of the Iraq war. (although he did vote for the AUMF)
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: Woofmeister
And we still wait for the routine release of Biden's medical records to confirm his chronic asthma. Even some of the more hysterical Obama supporters in the media are beginning to notice that Biden is dragging his feet.

Andrew Sullivan is hardly the "media." He's one guy who, for the moment, supports Obama, but he's a Libertarian conservative, hardly MSM.

I think the records you want would be in the Selective Service's files, not his own medical records.
 

Thump553

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I'd love to see a breakdown of the ages of the posters in this thread. Better still, bar everyone from posting unless they were a male of draft age in the Vietnam debacle. You won't find much pissing and moaning about Biden then.

 

jonks

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What amusing about this thread is that Dems are generally very enthusiastic about Obama and his VP pick would have little effect on those feelings. While McCain's base is less than enthused about him, so he needed to pick a VP his base would like.

So attacking the Dems VP is pretty irrelevent because the star of the ticket is on top, where he belongs. That doesn't appear to be the case with the...zzzzzzzz.....*snore*..z...zz....wha? sorry, I was watching the McCain convention speech. What was I saying?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Thump553
I'd love to see a breakdown of the ages of the posters in this thread. Better still, bar everyone from posting unless they were a male of draft age in the Vietnam debacle. You won't find much pissing and moaning about Biden then.
That's the truth. I also contend that if there was still a Draft we would have never gone into Iraq as Bush and his handlers would have known that it would have meant sure defeat in 04.
 

Woofmeister

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Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: Woofmeister
And we still wait for the routine release of Biden's medical records to confirm his chronic asthma. Even some of the more hysterical Obama supporters in the media are beginning to notice that Biden is dragging his feet.

Andrew Sullivan is hardly the "media." He's one guy who, for the moment, supports Obama, but he's a Libertarian conservative, hardly MSM.

I think the records you want would be in the Selective Service's files, not his own medical records.

No. Biden's Selective Service file has been examined by the AP already. His personal medical records, on the other hand, would probably be dispositive as to whether or not Biden faked his asthma. I would think that chronic asthma serious enough to be classified 1-Y would be a lifetime ailment, evidence of which would be found throughout Biden's medical records.

Your point about Sullivan not being a full-fledged member of the MSM is well-taken, but he's the only one who's noticed that Biden's records are still MIA. Besides, like watching a train wreck, Sully is impossible to look away from.
 

Infohawk

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Why should anyone care if someone tried to avoid a clearly bogus war? The only reason it bothers me that Bush & Co. avoided Vietnam is that they're hypocritical chickenhawks.