Surely it's been asked but: What mental problem would make somebody buy a *PONTIAC* crossfire?

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Clearly the most important thing about a car is how much HP is has
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You're the second person to make that ever so inane and baseless comment. It's a sports car - or pretends to be. If somebody came along with something that looks and feels like a sports car and put it up around ferrari price as a contender and charged $200k for it but it had only 260 horse power would you make a similarly thoughtless comment?

Sports cars are defined as such because they are fast. Why don't you clue us all in to how a car is going to be fast if it lacks much horsepower?

I asked the question because I don't see how the crossfire is competitive with others in the price range. It's SLOW. It's a SLOW car that tries to look and be fast. And it costs $35k.

 

DougK62

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Skoorb you're an asshat. I can tell you that there are a LOT of people out there that would rather take a Chrysler/Mercedes over an Infinity.
 

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Originally posted by: DougK62
Skoorb you're an asshat. I can tell you that there are a LOT of people out there that would rather take a Chrysler/Mercedes over an Infinity.
I don't recall putting a sticky on the thread that said all morons please post. So, why don't you please TELL me why these people are considering it? Apparently I'm an asshat for even questioning why somebody would want one so why don't you rub those two tiny brain cells of yours together and tell me?

 

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you would think that someone with almost 28,000 posts would know when they are starting a flame fest.

go outside and mow your grass, or scoop dog crap. waste your time doing something useful
 

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Originally posted by: gotey
you would think that someone with almost 28,000 posts would know when they are starting a flame fest.

go outside and mow your grass, or scoop dog crap. waste your time doing something useful
All I've really learned with my 28,000 posts it that sometimes you can't predict how children are going to react to a stimulus. In this case the stimulus is insulting a car none of them will be able to afford for another decade. I didn't insult anybody's mother, race, etc. The passive-aggressive nature of my "what mental problem" was tongue in cheek. Now if somebody here had just bought a crossfire I can imagine them perhaps finding offense at that but nobody on these boards has one, so I can't imagine why some of the youngsters here are taking such a personal offense at the thread as if I just defiled their grandparent's grave or something!

I even had to PM francodman to see if he has any deep rooted issues about me, but he seems unable to respond. I'm sorry for killing your dog, francodman :confused:
waste your time doing something useful
Isn't that kind of an oxyfrancodman - i mean oxymoron? :p
 
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Originally posted by: Skoorb
3000 lbs. 215 horsepower. $35k. Answer?

There seem to be a lot of cars for the same price that would obliterate it. And don't say it's because it's got a mercedes background and of great quality, handles well, etc. The thing has no damn power!

215hp is enough.
It's fugly, that's for sure.
 

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Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Originally posted by: Skoorb
3000 lbs. 215 horsepower. $35k. Answer?

There seem to be a lot of cars for the same price that would obliterate it. And don't say it's because it's got a mercedes background and of great quality, handles well, etc. The thing has no damn power!

215hp is enough.
It's fugly, that's for sure.
It's enough to give a $20k SRT4 a run for its money ;)

 
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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Originally posted by: Skoorb
3000 lbs. 215 horsepower. $35k. Answer?

There seem to be a lot of cars for the same price that would obliterate it. And don't say it's because it's got a mercedes background and of great quality, handles well, etc. The thing has no damn power!

215hp is enough.
It's fugly, that's for sure.
It's enough to give a $20k SRT4 a run for it's money ;)

Maybe it needs fat tires to be fast.

 

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Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Originally posted by: Skoorb
3000 lbs. 215 horsepower. $35k. Answer?

There seem to be a lot of cars for the same price that would obliterate it. And don't say it's because it's got a mercedes background and of great quality, handles well, etc. The thing has no damn power!

215hp is enough.
It's fugly, that's for sure.
It's enough to give a $20k SRT4 a run for it's money ;)

Maybe it needs fat tires to be fast.
Nah, you could give it 48 inch wide tires it's still gonna be slow ;)
 

mAdD INDIAN

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It's a posuer vehicle, in the same vein as the Audi TT and the Prowler.

You think an Audi TT is fast? No, its not. Its car to get looks in, same as the Prowler and the new Crossfire.

The Prowler was pretty slow too, but it sure was a headturner.

The only thing that worries me, is that why is Chrysler/Dodge focusing on expensive cars? Whatever happened to focusing on giving out new competitive products for their volume sellers (ie: family cars such as the Camry and such.)
 

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Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
It's a posuer vehicle, in the same vein as the Audi TT and the Prowler.

You think an Audi TT is fast? No, its not. Its car to get looks in, same as the Prowler and the new Crossfire.

The Prowler was pretty slow too, but it sure was a headturner.

The only thing that worries me, is that why is Chrysler/Dodge focusing on expensive cars? Whatever happened to focusing on giving out new competitive products for their volume sellers (ie: family cars such as the Camry and such.)

the current stratus isn't that old... mindshare is worthwhile as well
 

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Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
It's a posuer vehicle, in the same vein as the Audi TT and the Prowler.

You think an Audi TT is fast? No, its not. Its car to get looks in, same as the Prowler and the new Crossfire.

The Prowler was pretty slow too, but it sure was a headturner.

The only thing that worries me, is that why is Chrysler/Dodge focusing on expensive cars? Whatever happened to focusing on giving out new competitive products for their volume sellers (ie: family cars such as the Camry and such.)
I do remember the prowler. It definitely is a head turner when you see it but 240 HP mounted to an automatic transmission and the ungodly price they charged certainly didn't bring the buyer good bang for buck.

It will be nice to see how the crossfire sells. If somebody in this thread can tell me why it's worth $35k it will sell of its own merit. And if they can't, perhaps it will sell just because it looks fast and is something different. Heck, people buy the aztec :)
 

mAdD INDIAN

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN
It's a posuer vehicle, in the same vein as the Audi TT and the Prowler.

You think an Audi TT is fast? No, its not. Its car to get looks in, same as the Prowler and the new Crossfire.

The Prowler was pretty slow too, but it sure was a headturner.

The only thing that worries me, is that why is Chrysler/Dodge focusing on expensive cars? Whatever happened to focusing on giving out new competitive products for their volume sellers (ie: family cars such as the Camry and such.)

the current stratus isn't that old... mindshare is worthwhile as well

The Stratus isn't competitive though. I mean how often do you see it pop up in comparos? Look at the cars in the news right now, the Mazda6, the Camry, the Accord, the Altima, and now the new Malibu.

I've never seen a Stratus being compared to any of these cars or even being mentioned in any automotive article.

I don't follow what the "mindshare" is?
 

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Much will be made of the fact that the Crossfire relies heavily on the same parts bin used for the Mercedes SLK, but the bottom line is that the Crossfire excels in design, packaging, suspension tuning and build quality ? areas in which the Chrysler team had primary responsibility, especially when working with coachbuilder Karmann, which assembles the cars in Osnabrück, Germany. For Chrysler, in getting a new icon that it can sell for less than $35,000, the sum of the Mercedes parts and partnership is greater than the whole.


It's not a bad looking car, and comes with a nice warrany, too. The only thing wrong is that it's american?
 

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Originally posted by: mAdD INDIAN

The Stratus isn't competitive though. I mean how often do you see it pop up in comparos? Look at the cars in the news right now, the Mazda6, the Camry, the Accord, the Altima, and now the new Malibu.

I've never seen a Stratus being compared to any of these cars or even being mentioned in any automotive article.

I don't follow what the "mindshare" is?

the stratus was redesigned before most of the cars you named, i think 2001. its been reviewed and nothing significant has changed, so why should they review it again? when a new one hits in a couple years it'll be reviewed and maybe it'll be competitive then and maybe it won't, but just because there hasn't been a new one for a few years doesn't mean that chrysler has just abandoned midsized boring cars. no one redesigns cars that fast. there isn't much money to be made there so i wouldn't really blame them if they did.
 
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Originally posted by: Skoorb
3000 lbs. 215 horsepower. $35k. Answer?

There seem to be a lot of cars for the same price that would obliterate it. And don't say it's because it's got a mercedes background and of great quality, handles well, etc. The thing has no damn power!

What car are you actually talking about? There is no Pontiac Crossfire. You mean Chrysler Crossfire right?
I like that car. :D

 

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Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
Originally posted by: Skoorb
3000 lbs. 215 horsepower. $35k. Answer?

There seem to be a lot of cars for the same price that would obliterate it. And don't say it's because it's got a mercedes background and of great quality, handles well, etc. The thing has no damn power!

What car are you actually talking about? There is no Pontiac Crossfire. You mean Chrysler Crossfire right?
I like that car. :D
took you 50 posts to see that? :) I was winding up Geno! Well in fact I did think it was the pontiac at first
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mAdD INDIAN

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Originally posted by: FrustratedUser
My brain read Crossfire as Sunfire. But then another part was like 'WTF! $35K for a Pontiac?'

The new Pontiac GTO is gonna be around 32-35k. Of course, I think its totally worth the price!

I love that car!