<< Zonker you got a lot of nerve to quote Spiro Agnew. >>
About as much nerve as you've got quoting Malcom X. It's just a quote, get over it.
<< Zonker you got a lot of nerve to quote Spiro Agnew. >>
About as much nerve as you've got quoting Malcom X. It's just a quote, get over it.
It was sent in an email to me. The Q & A was claimed to have been written by a lawyer. I took out references to his name because I didn't know him.
I don't agree quite 100% with the way it was written.
There was a Florida newspaper article (I thought is was Miami) about forecasting who REALLY got the most votes in Florida. Many of us here commented on the article. I thought someone even said that the newspaper that did the article was for Bush.
I don't agree quite 100% with the way it was written.
There was a Florida newspaper article (I thought is was Miami) about forecasting who REALLY got the most votes in Florida. Many of us here commented on the article. I thought someone even said that the newspaper that did the article was for Bush.
Name calling again classy? That's not very "classy" of you. Like I said, it's just a quote. Get over it.
hehehehe... yet another failed attempt (in a series of many) to try and distort things to try to plead the case for Goron and against Bush.
This is the tipoff: <<It says Bush wins, even if Gore got the most votes.>>
After which count exactly did Gore have more votes? The first? Nope. After the recount perhaps? Nope. After manual counts from several counties added? Nope. After trying to throw out absentee ballots as much as possible? Nope. Hmm... I can't seem to find ANY count that shows Gore to have more votes - not even the one made by the Florida Gore Supreme Court, it still had Bush ahead. The Gorons are simply assuming that if they were allowed more time to alter votes through an unconstitutional process, they could surely manufacture the votes needed.... but they never got that chance. Oh how mean of those meanie justices
This is the tipoff: <<It says Bush wins, even if Gore got the most votes.>>
After which count exactly did Gore have more votes? The first? Nope. After the recount perhaps? Nope. After manual counts from several counties added? Nope. After trying to throw out absentee ballots as much as possible? Nope. Hmm... I can't seem to find ANY count that shows Gore to have more votes - not even the one made by the Florida Gore Supreme Court, it still had Bush ahead. The Gorons are simply assuming that if they were allowed more time to alter votes through an unconstitutional process, they could surely manufacture the votes needed.... but they never got that chance. Oh how mean of those meanie justices
<< It was sent in an email to me. The Q & A was claimed to have been written by a lawyer. I took out references to his name because I didn't know him.
There was a Florida newspaper article (I thought is was Miami) about forecasting who REALLY got the most votes in Florida. Many of us here commented on the article. I thought someone even said that the newspaper that did the article was for Bush. >>
[sarcasm]well, that's pretty factual... something we can all put our faith and trust in.[/sarcasm]
<< I don't agree quite 100% with the way it was written. >>
At least there's that.
Ride525, If I send you an e-mail and claim to be a lawyer will you post it here also?
I might have a bridge to sell you also.
I might have a bridge to sell you also.
<< Ride525, If I send you an e-mail and claim to be a lawyer will you post it here also? >>
Doubtful.....
What a load of crap. Must have been written by Daley and Boies in anticipation of Daley's book, "My Father Did It: The Law Stopped Me Though".
But you posted that e-mail full of inaccuracies and half-truths from someone you don't know.
You don't seem too discriminating. It's only the e-mails that are full of democratic lies that you post. I understand now.
You don't seem too discriminating. It's only the e-mails that are full of democratic lies that you post. I understand now.
George Shrub--The only person elected to the highest office not by popular vote,not by electoral vote,but by an activist republican majority 5-4 decesion in the U.S. Supreme Court.This in court where he sued to have the count of ballots that would determine the truth of who won removed from the system.
It will be fun picking this jerk apart for the next four years.
He's about to announce his token black to be Sec. of State. I'm blacker than powell,and I'm white! I wonder what the black community thinks of this appointment?
Bush will roll out some sensational BS appointent every day to keep you of track of his backroom dealings of selling off your country to the oil interests around the world.
Enjoy
It will be fun picking this jerk apart for the next four years.
He's about to announce his token black to be Sec. of State. I'm blacker than powell,and I'm white! I wonder what the black community thinks of this appointment?
Bush will roll out some sensational BS appointent every day to keep you of track of his backroom dealings of selling off your country to the oil interests around the world.
Enjoy
See what you have done Ride525, even Tripleshot believes those lies in that e-mail and is repeating them.
Gov. Bush won the electoral vote.
Someone please tell me what a "desesion" is?
The Supreme Court decision was that the arbitrary, standardless vote creating handcounts as conducted in Florida counties were unconstitutional. They were right.
The Supreme Court correctly let the laws created by the Florida legislature stand. The counts were to be completed by December 12th.
Gov. Bush won the electoral vote.
Someone please tell me what a "desesion" is?
The Supreme Court decision was that the arbitrary, standardless vote creating handcounts as conducted in Florida counties were unconstitutional. They were right.
The Supreme Court correctly let the laws created by the Florida legislature stand. The counts were to be completed by December 12th.
Tripleshot
The only person elected to the highest office not by popular vote,not by electoral vote...
This isn't really true...
Hayes v. Tilden; " It was ultimately resolved by an ad hoc Electoral Commission created by Congress and consisting of 5 Supreme Court justices, 5 senators, and 5 House members. After 16 weeks of heated controversy, a president was finally chosen three days before the scheduled inauguration. By an 8 to 7 margin, the Electoral Commission awarded all of the contested 20 electoral ballots to Hayes, allowing the Republican to win the presidency by one electoral vote, 185-184."
but by an activist republican majority 5-4 decesion in the U.S. Supreme Court.
This isn't really accurate either....
AP coverage of the Supremes
"From the per curiam opinion of seven justices:
.....Because it is evident that any recount seeking to meet the December 12 date will be unconstitutional for the reasons we have discussed, we reverse the judgment of the Supreme Court of Florida ordering a recount to proceed."
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Get off your soap box man....
The only person elected to the highest office not by popular vote,not by electoral vote...
This isn't really true...
Hayes v. Tilden; " It was ultimately resolved by an ad hoc Electoral Commission created by Congress and consisting of 5 Supreme Court justices, 5 senators, and 5 House members. After 16 weeks of heated controversy, a president was finally chosen three days before the scheduled inauguration. By an 8 to 7 margin, the Electoral Commission awarded all of the contested 20 electoral ballots to Hayes, allowing the Republican to win the presidency by one electoral vote, 185-184."
but by an activist republican majority 5-4 decesion in the U.S. Supreme Court.
This isn't really accurate either....
AP coverage of the Supremes
"From the per curiam opinion of seven justices:
.....Because it is evident that any recount seeking to meet the December 12 date will be unconstitutional for the reasons we have discussed, we reverse the judgment of the Supreme Court of Florida ordering a recount to proceed."
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Get off your soap box man....
Thorn if guys are going to try to accuse Gore of trying steal an election I don't think quoting one of the biggest frauds in political history is the right way to go. Agnew was a theif, liar, and fraud. And no he didn't get along with blacks, so what. But you can't accuse someone of trying to steal an election and then quote a man who took payoffs, kickbacks, and bribes. And eventually resigned from office because of it. Maybe you forgot about Watergate. Your attempt to bring up Malcolm X was cheap way to try and make my statement racial, which it wasn't, idiot. And no I am not going to let u right wing conservatives, I call them (pigmently challenged), phonys continue to post your lame BS with no response. Bush won through a Republican court decision and fought to have legal ballots not looked at. And he succeeded through a Republican court. And yea everybody knows Bush is going to throw out a few tokens. But when you look at the Republican party ain't like there's a lot to choose from.
Boy I'd love to see you guys take on Alan Dershowitz or the other constitutional scholars who have all been saying this ruling is completely partisan and not based on any kind of constitutional law. If you think they're all liberals think again. There are a lot of conservatives who can actually see past their petty victory and realize that it was a hollow one.
"University of Chicago law professor Cass Sunstein, who considers himself to be an admirer of the Rehnquist court, said that his faith in the justices has been shaken. 'The good thing you can say about this case is that it settled things in the leat messy way. But ass a matter of law it is a real embarrassment. It's the worst moment for the court, atleast since Roe," Sunstein said, referring to the 1973 ruling in Roe vs. Wade that upheld the right to abortion.
'The equal protection holding is a bolt out of the blue. There is no precedent for it and there's no support in history for this type of ruling,' Sunstein said. 'And for it come now in a 5-4 decision, it's just very hard to explain"
He doesn't exactly sound like a liberal whining does he?
"University of Virginia law professor A.E. dick Howrd also said that he finds the ruling difficult to explain on legal grounds.
'This is a remarkable use of the equal protection clause. It is not consistent with anything they have done in the past 25 years,' Howard said. 'No one even claimed there was intentional discrimination here.'"
I love the republican's word for truth they don't like, "spin". A day or two ago there was a thread about how RUSS is always right. Maybe that's cause at times like this when he's wrong, he's smart enough to not say anything besides "haha". I guess you can't be wrong just saying, "haha", but you're pretty damn far from being right. Rehnquist had said that he would like to retire with a republican president and last fall Scalia said that he would retire if Gore was elected because he wouldn't have a shot at becoming Chief Justice. I guess these guys do sound pretty unbiased. Hehe, you think we're whining? Wrong again bub, we're just letting you guys know that even though Bush is going to become president, he definitely didn't win. He was elected by the supreme court which had conservative majority and used it to put their guy in office. If you think there ruling was fair than apparently you haven't looked over all the cases in the past dealing with this clause and seen how this goes against every ruling and belief that these conservative justices have made clear. You guys are the ones whining because you're guy is going to be president, but we won't acknowledge the fact that he won. Well that's cause he didn't.
"University of Chicago law professor Cass Sunstein, who considers himself to be an admirer of the Rehnquist court, said that his faith in the justices has been shaken. 'The good thing you can say about this case is that it settled things in the leat messy way. But ass a matter of law it is a real embarrassment. It's the worst moment for the court, atleast since Roe," Sunstein said, referring to the 1973 ruling in Roe vs. Wade that upheld the right to abortion.
'The equal protection holding is a bolt out of the blue. There is no precedent for it and there's no support in history for this type of ruling,' Sunstein said. 'And for it come now in a 5-4 decision, it's just very hard to explain"
He doesn't exactly sound like a liberal whining does he?
"University of Virginia law professor A.E. dick Howrd also said that he finds the ruling difficult to explain on legal grounds.
'This is a remarkable use of the equal protection clause. It is not consistent with anything they have done in the past 25 years,' Howard said. 'No one even claimed there was intentional discrimination here.'"
I love the republican's word for truth they don't like, "spin". A day or two ago there was a thread about how RUSS is always right. Maybe that's cause at times like this when he's wrong, he's smart enough to not say anything besides "haha". I guess you can't be wrong just saying, "haha", but you're pretty damn far from being right. Rehnquist had said that he would like to retire with a republican president and last fall Scalia said that he would retire if Gore was elected because he wouldn't have a shot at becoming Chief Justice. I guess these guys do sound pretty unbiased. Hehe, you think we're whining? Wrong again bub, we're just letting you guys know that even though Bush is going to become president, he definitely didn't win. He was elected by the supreme court which had conservative majority and used it to put their guy in office. If you think there ruling was fair than apparently you haven't looked over all the cases in the past dealing with this clause and seen how this goes against every ruling and belief that these conservative justices have made clear. You guys are the ones whining because you're guy is going to be president, but we won't acknowledge the fact that he won. Well that's cause he didn't.
quote a man who took payoffs, kickbacks, and bribes
Oh how quickly we forget about campaign fundraising in China....
the words appropriatly characterise the negativity being expressed by the followers of Gore who refuse to respect both Gore's sentiments and the ruling of the final arbitrar of law under the Constitution...
Oh how quickly we forget about campaign fundraising in China....
the words appropriatly characterise the negativity being expressed by the followers of Gore who refuse to respect both Gore's sentiments and the ruling of the final arbitrar of law under the Constitution...
I think both parties totally suck when it comes to campaign financing(although one party actually wants to do something about it). It's not even worth getting into a back and forth on that. I will concede that the democrats have shady fundraising, and so do the republicans. Every voter, despite party line, should push for finance reform so that we can have equal elections without politicians having to take money from private interests.
As far as not respecting Gore's you're wrong. After seeing that speech, I respect him more than ever. But in his speech he said he strongly disagrees with the courts decision and so do I. If you don't, that's cause the man you wanted to win, won and not because you have some respect for ruling of the final arbitrar of law under the Constitution..
If the supreme court had allowed a recount, the republicans would have whined even more(except in that case the justices would have actually made the correct constitutional decision). After seeing this blatant bias in the high court, they have forced me and every other citizen whose knowledgable about the decision to lose faith in their nonpartisanship.
I guess the Florida legislature know
knows we're right too
(stolen from chess9's post about this very political move)
Anyone notice how 20 states including California didn't make the Dec. 12th deadline. Uh oh, we must have a constitutional crisis! Nope you were all just fooled into thinking Dec. 12th is a real deadline. It's just the deadline to guarantee that your electors won't get challenged by the legislature which they would have no right to do.
As far as not respecting Gore's you're wrong. After seeing that speech, I respect him more than ever. But in his speech he said he strongly disagrees with the courts decision and so do I. If you don't, that's cause the man you wanted to win, won and not because you have some respect for ruling of the final arbitrar of law under the Constitution..
If the supreme court had allowed a recount, the republicans would have whined even more(except in that case the justices would have actually made the correct constitutional decision). After seeing this blatant bias in the high court, they have forced me and every other citizen whose knowledgable about the decision to lose faith in their nonpartisanship.
I guess the Florida legislature know
knows we're right too
(stolen from chess9's post about this very political move)
Anyone notice how 20 states including California didn't make the Dec. 12th deadline. Uh oh, we must have a constitutional crisis! Nope you were all just fooled into thinking Dec. 12th is a real deadline. It's just the deadline to guarantee that your electors won't get challenged by the legislature which they would have no right to do.
stony...
If you truely accept Gore's sentiments
Now the U.S. Supreme Court has spoken. Let there be no doubt, while I strongly disagree with the court's decision, I accept it. I accept the finality of this outcome which will be ratified next Monday in the Electoral College. And tonight, for the sake of our unity of the people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession.
then the quote about "nattering nabob's" obviously does not apply to you
If you truely accept Gore's sentiments
Now the U.S. Supreme Court has spoken. Let there be no doubt, while I strongly disagree with the court's decision, I accept it. I accept the finality of this outcome which will be ratified next Monday in the Electoral College. And tonight, for the sake of our unity of the people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession.
then the quote about "nattering nabob's" obviously does not apply to you
but classy, you forgot about the democrat lockbox also known as the Florida Supreme court. You going to say THEY weren't biased in their manufacturing of laws? Bah. Much less, the supreme court has no direct thing to gain. The Florida members could well have been hoping that this decision would get them one of the several supreme court nominations coming up. Talk about having something to gain by scatching Gore's back.... hmmmmmm.....
PLease. Everyone can throw half-arsed conspiracy theories around all day. Stop it please.
PLease. Everyone can throw half-arsed conspiracy theories around all day. Stop it please.
I really can't get past the fact that "some" people in here (b*tching and moaning democrats) call the US Supreme Court's ruling partisan and not the florida court's. What a bunch of hypocrites. Furthermore, like many I imagine, I have more faith in the nonpartisan nature of the US Supreme court than the florida courts with (6/7) democrat justices. Just keep singing your song, it'll get old soon enough. The people aren't with you, and won't be. The republicans got criticized very much for whining about Clinton for 8 years, you'd think once the roles were reversed you wouldn't be so quick to set yourself to be a pariah so quickly. Too many red faced democrats in here for their own good.
Time will tell which candidate would have been the better choice. All of you: stop getting your panties all caught up in bunches and deal with it. All I ever read in these posts are misguided and misinformed crap. Bubye now.
The only person elected to the highest office not by popular vote,not by electoral vote,but by an activist republican majority 5-4 decesion in the U.S. Supreme Court
It's been established that the only activist court that was involved in the legal proceedings regarding the election is the Florida Supreme Court. They had that repuation before this whole thing started, and did their best to live up to it by attempting to write new laws from the bench and circumvent those with rightful authority.
It's been established that the only activist court that was involved in the legal proceedings regarding the election is the Florida Supreme Court. They had that repuation before this whole thing started, and did their best to live up to it by attempting to write new laws from the bench and circumvent those with rightful authority.
<< It's been established that the only activist court that was involved in the legal proceedings regarding the election is the Florida Supreme Court. >>
Established? By James Baker? The Republican Party? Ok, you sure convinced me.....
Ok, you sure convinced me.....
Cool, that means the Jedi mind-trick works.
The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded. - Ben Kenobi
Cool, that means the Jedi mind-trick works.
The Force can have a strong influence on the weak-minded. - Ben Kenobi
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