Support for gay marriage may be leveling off

[fskimospy]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pew_Charitable_Trusts

Founded by rich, conservative, religious wackos who wanted to change public opinions in government to their favor, but also claims to be non-partisan and non-ideological. Yea, just color me completely convinced about the legitimacy of that gay marriage poll Takeahiker.

Did they also make sure they asked the question to every Christian they always poll listed in their handy dandy Rolodex for Jesus pollsters, too?

"The trust also helped fund the Gospel and Our Culture Network, which published books such as Missional Church: A vision for the sending of the Church in North America.[19]"

So they really are what they claim they aren't after all.

The Pew Charitable Trusts is an extremely reputable organization.

 

[Bowfinger]

81% of people under 30 support SSM... I don't see how someone could change their view on that as they get older (while the older people who are against it will be dying off, hopefully sooner rather than later)

Yep. This is another one of those issues where demographics changes make the outcome inevitable. The train is coming, TH. Time to get off the tracks and get on board.

 

[SlickSnake]

The Pew Charitable Trusts is an extremely reputable organization.

And can you say "AMEN BROTHER"?

They are so pissed off there about gay marriages like Takeahiker is, that they simply had to manufacture and rig a nice, biased poll against it. Because who asked them to take their biased gay marriage poll besides other religious wackos that manage and direct their social policy initiatives and work there? And how is that not completely obvious? Do I need to spend a few hours digging up all the various paid directors and managers religious affiliations to make a point I already know is a fact just to convince you? I got better things to do with my time, thanks anyhow.

 

[nehalem256]

Support for gay marriage should have zero influence on legalization of gay marriage anyway.

So you think its purely coincidence that courts starting ruling against same-sex marriage bans at exactly the same time support for same-sex marriage became a majority position? :hmm:

 

[Texashiker]

decreasing support for a civil rights issue over time would fly in the face of any issue I can think of in the modern world.

Living an immoral lifestyle should not be a civil right. This is something you decide to do.

 

[MrPickins]

Living an immoral lifestyle should not be a civil right.

Thankfully, you don't get to define what constitutes "immoral".

Edit, due to your edit:

This is something you decide to do.

Yeah, no.

Saying this just makes you look even more dumb.

 

[nageov3t]

Living an immoral lifestyle should not be a civil right.

and yet regardless, here we are.

I can understand (if disagree with) why someone raised to by anti-gay marriage would still be anti gay marriage today... but I don't see the thought process where a 30 year-old today who supports gay marriage would find themselves at 50 being like "you know what, on second thought -- fuck those gay people. no more marriage for them."

we're on an inexorable slide toward support and normalcy of gay marriage. the more commonplace it becomes, the less reasons for kids brought up in that society to think of is as immoral like you do. the horse has left the barn.

 

[smackababy]

Living an immoral lifestyle should not be a civil right. This is something you decide to do.

Is it not immoral to literally post the dumbest shit I've ever read? I doubt you are choosing to be so stupid; you were born that way.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Thankfully, you don't get to define what constitutes "immoral".

Edit, due to your edit:



Yeah, no.

Saying this just makes you look even more dumb.

Rarely does toothless hiker disappoint in this.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Thankfully, you don't get to define what constitutes "immoral".

Good thing he has no power whatsoever when it comes to this and many other things he doesn't like.

Edit, due to your edit:



Yeah, no.

Saying this just makes you look even more dumb.

Par for the course I would say. Might have something to with being from far southeast Texas.

 

[SlickSnake]

Living an immoral lifestyle should not be a civil right.

And it's absolutely none of your damned business what people do in their bedrooms amoung consenting adults. You are about as immoral and on the wrong side of history as ISIL is. Unfortunately, you are just too far brainwashed by religion pretending to be Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny as a kid to ever be much use as a rational thinking adult. Just like all the other braindamaged, bigoted, gay bashers here that take such delight in trolling issues they readily admit has nothing to do with them at all.

Unless someone is holding a shotgun to your head, and forcing a gay marriage on you, then you are just ignorant, trolling buffons with too much free time on your hands. Otherwise, you wouldn't be here endlessly telling others what to think and who to love according to your religious fables, myths and endless interpretations, and many of which are just outright wrong, even based on the original source material. For instance, The King James Bible, which is the largest circulation Bible on Earth, is a false Bible full of deliberate changes and errors, just to make the King happy, yet how many uneducated Christians will still swear by it as being the infallible word of God? Most of them, I'd wager. And that pretty much says it all, in a nutshell.

News flash, your personal religious fantasies and fetishes are not shared by most people. Whatever you might think religiously, your views will always be in the minority compared to what the worlds population thinks about your twisted religion of choice. So it's about time you all finally grew up and realized that fact, and either come out of the closet and stop fantasizing about gay sex, or find something else more constructive to do with your time besides making your religion of choice look stupid to everyone else who don't believe like you do, gay or not.

 

[WHAMPOM]

http://www.ajc.com/ap/ap/us/poll-su...hR4P/?icmp=ajc_internallink_textlink_homepage



People are getting tired of the gay communities heavy handed tactics. Don't like our lifestyle? Here is a lawsuit and where is our money?

The gay community is reaping what they sow. You sow intolerance for those who disagree with your lifestyle, that is what you are going to reap.

You really have to link to something that is not in the margin of error.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Living an immoral lifestyle should not be a civil right. This is something you decide to do.

And if I happen to think that getting divorced or complaining about child support or having a child get in trouble with the law are signs of an immoral lifestyle, what then? Do I get to lock you up because you don't share the same moral code as me? What makes your interpretation of morality any more correct than someone else's? It can't be majority opinion, since more people are in favor of gay marriage than opposed to it according to your own link. Who made you the arbiter of social morality?

 

[WHAMPOM]

Living an immoral lifestyle should not be a civil right. This is something you decide to do.

So you think marrying your life partner is immoral? LOL Customs practiced in your small tribe may not apply to the larger world.

 

[piasabird]

I am getting awful tired of hearing about it. It is not even news worthy. State laws are irrelevant.

 

[nehalem256]

And if I happen to think that getting divorced or complaining about child support

Well you really have to pick one or the other of the above

Also, while same-sex marriage activists like to bring up divorce as an example of another immoral lifestyle I find that very few, if any, are actually opposed to it.

or having a child get in trouble with the law are signs of an immoral lifestyle, what then?

Well obviously it is, you don't typically get arrested for opening a soup kitchen

Do I get to lock you up because you don't share the same moral code as me? What makes your interpretation of morality any more correct than someone else's? It can't be majority opinion, since more people are in favor of gay marriage than opposed to it according to your own link. Who made you the arbiter of social morality?

Well then there should be no need to file lawsuits to get their lifestyle supported right?

So you think marrying your life partner is immoral?

So I take it you find divorce to be immoral right?

LOL Customs practiced in your small tribe may not apply to the larger world.

You would consider China, India, Vietnam, Korea, and Japan to be "small tribes"?

 

[MrPickins]

Par for the course I would say. Might have something to with being from far southeast Texas.

The Piney Woods generates some awfully strange folks, and I'm talking all the way up to Tyler and beyond.

 

[nageov3t]

edit: nm, accidentally replied to a troll.

 

[alzan]

Living an immoral lifestyle should not be a civil right. This is something you decide to do.

Yet another TH fail thread

 

[Retro Rob]

81% of people under 30 support SSM... I don't see how someone could change their view on that as they get older (while the older people who are against it will be dying off, hopefully sooner rather than later)

They won't change their views, and I am fairly confident that probably half of that 81% are gving in to public pressure to accept this as the new norm.

Really, it takes a lot of strength to maintain your own personal morality (esoecially if it contracdicts societal morals) than to accept societies ever-changing view of morality. Enviorment is the leading factor in SSM acceptance, I don't think most people sincerely do. They would rather be accepted than rejected.

Comparing it to racial segregation etc (though there are some similarties) is nothing more than a bully tactic.

 

[smackababy]

They won't change their views, and I am fairly confident that probably half of that 81% are gving in to public pressure to accept this as the new norm.

Really, it takes a lot of strength to maintain your own personal morality (esoecially if it contracdicts societal morals) than to accept societies ever-changing view of morality. Enviorment is the leading factor in SSM acceptance, I don't think most people sincerely do. They would rather be accepted than rejected.

Comparing it to racial segregation etc (though there are some similarties) is nothing more than a bully tactic.

It is posts like this, that attempt to rationalize why it is okay to be against same sex marriage, that are the most damaging. It looks like it is reasonable, but it isn't. Your morals not aligning with society isn't courageous. If I believed it to be moral to rape children, am I a coward for "conforming to society"? Comparing it to racial segregation is not a bully tactic. It is nearly identical, with identical arguments of why it shouldn't exist.

There are zero logical reasons a man cannot legally marry another man. There is no harm that will come to society. If someone can give me a single reason why same sex marriage should not be legal that doesn't involve tradition, religion, or cannot be applied to opposite sex marriage, I will support not allowing it.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

They won't change their views, and I am fairly confident that probably half of that 81% are gving in to public pressure to accept this as the new norm.

Really, it takes a lot of strength to maintain your own personal morality (esoecially if it contracdicts societal morals) than to accept societies ever-changing view of morality. Enviorment is the leading factor in SSM acceptance, I don't think most people sincerely do. They would rather be accepted than rejected.

Comparing it to racial segregation etc (though there are some similarties) is nothing more than a bully tactic.

Why is it nothing more than a bully tactic? White people were content to live apart from black people and consider them irreversibly different until they interacted with them and realized they were actually good people. Straight people were content to live apart from gay people and consider them irreversibly different until they interacted with them and realized they were actually good people. Exposure to people from a culture you don't typically interact with does a lot to dispel internal prejudices you've established about those cultures absent any examples to the contrary.

 

[Texashiker]

Yet another TH fail thread

I believe people for the most part are sexually fluid. Certain barriers have been put in place by society that tells us we "have" to be one or the other.

This social conditioning starts in school with us being told there is only one right answer to a question. From the time we start kindergarten all the way through high school and college we are told to stay within certain boundaries, draw within the lines, there is only one right answer.

My personal opinion, the true state of human sexuality is somewhere between straight and bi-sexual. Being 100% straight and 100% gay does not exist. It is like a golden unicorn, it just does not exist.

Support for gay marriage / gay relationships will never get anywhere close to 100%, because humanity is programmed to reproduce.

Gays will always be shunned to some degree because they are an evolutionary dead end.

 

[nehalem256]

There are zero logical reasons a man cannot legally marry another man. There is no harm that will come to society. If someone can give me a single reason why same sex marriage should not be legal that doesn't involve tradition, religion,

Yes there is. It continues down the path of making marriage into a worthless institution that is just a circle-jerk to get government benefits.

Of course part of the reason you have problems seeing this is because liberals have been leading us down this path for decades.

or cannot be applied to opposite sex marriage, I will support not allowing it.

Is that like there isn't any argument presented for same-sex marriage that doesn't apply equally to marrying a toaster or a dog?

 

[nageov3t]

Gays will always be shunned to some degree because they are an evolutionary dead end.

that's true... just the other day I walked past a barren woman who was shunned by the whole village for her failure to bear children. they say a witch put a curse on her.