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HomerJS

Lifer
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Never said he was

It is a Joe Biden problem and he will need to address it. Hunter Biden is an exploitable liability.
How EXACTLY is it a Joe Biden problem? Agreed he needs to hit Trump back but that is the only "problem". Can't let smears slide. John Kerry learned that.

Was Hunter Biden being on the board of Barisma an indication of corrupt practices by Joe?
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
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Was Hunter Biden being on the board of Barisma an indication of corrupt practices by Joe?
It will be come debate time. Guaran-fucking-tee you will see headlines and hear Trump talk about Joe Biden's corruption, Biden family corruption, project project project.

Thanks to Trump and the idiots that follow him, Biden's tainted goods. I still cannot for the life of me understand how people think he will win this election.
 
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interchange

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Tangential but related story.

I interview many candidates for our medical residency program. We score these candidates based on our discussions with them so that we have some objective comparison.

One subscore is a communication score which basically grades speech along a spectrum from 1 (can't speak English, unintelligible) to 7 (articulate, composed, flawless speech essentially) and I'm generally a "tough grader" because I try to stick close to the rubric.

When my colleagues give me grief about some of my communication subscores, I laugh and say that *MY* score would probably only be a 5-6 depending on when you catch me because I have a tendency to speak very quickly and occasionally mumble. Am I a 7 when lecturing? Yeah, generally, but to your point, all the time? Of course not.

At least y'all talk about it. I'm not part of the committee and have just done interviews in the past. I have no idea how my scores compare to peers.

Anyway, to @Perknose point, the category of imperfectly expressing yourself is far too diverse to make meaningful answers on that basis. To me that would include people I would evaluate more highly because the lack of perfect scripting on responses indicates a genuineness and willingness to be vulnerable by reducing the attention to monitoring what someone else may be making of your response. And it also includes people showing evidence of a significant cognitive deficit. That's pretty important when it comes to the responsibilities of a President. As for Trump, whether his challenges have anything to do with a neurocognitive decline is not of high relevance to me -- he has proven regardless of etiology to be mentally unfit as President.
 
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Right.

So there should be unilateral disarmament? It seems like super PACs have been helping a number of candidates, including Sanders

Money in politics is pretty disgusting, but if you can't get elected, you can't fix the problem.
 
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fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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So there should be unilateral disarmament? It seems like super PACs have been helping a number of candidates, including Sanders

Money in politics is pretty disgusting, but if you can't get elected, you can't fix the problem.
The argument of ‘this gives people an advantage in getting elected so I’m not going to do that’ is an extremely dumb way or addressing the problem.

It seems that Bernie has belatedly realized this as when he was flying high after New Hampshire he made a major point of how he was totally uninterested in Bloomberg’s help if he were the nominee. He is now walking that back, and that’s a good thing!

People need to focus on the fact that there is a felon in the White House and what matters far more than anything else is removing and then prosecuting him.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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So there should be unilateral disarmament? It seems like super PACs have been helping a number of candidates, including Sanders

Money in politics is pretty disgusting, but if you can't get elected, you can't fix the problem.

The dishonest smear that Sanders is taking dark money was debunked more than a week ago, but of course you're still parroting it because you don't care about facts.

Biden is pretty disgusting.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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It will be come debate time. Guaran-fucking-tee you will see headlines and hear Trump talk about Joe Biden's corruption, Biden family corruption, project project project.

Thanks to Trump and the idiots that follow him, Biden's tainted goods. I still cannot for the life of me understand how people think he will win this election.

Trump's only policy is to attack others personally. It won't matter who the nominee is. It's set in stone. It won't have to be factual, just has to appeal to his base and some independents with enlarged amygdalas
 
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fskimospy

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At this moment if Sanders wants to save his campaign he needs to start conducting serious outreach to other elements of the democratic coalition. One part of that outreach needs to be to dump the Bernie Bros publicly and disavow their support. As I kept saying before, the behavior of his most fervent supporters has seriously damaged him as it alienated the supporters of other candidates who might otherwise like him.

Democrats hate Trump and Bernie Bros remind them of Trumpkins. Toss them overboard.
 
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fskimospy

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Trump's only policy is to attack others personally. It won't matter who the nominee is. It's set in stone. It won't have to be factual, just has to appeal to his base and some independents with enlarged amygdalas
What’s weird about this is people claiming that because Trump invented a lie about one candidate they are tainted goods and we must choose another as if Trump would not just invent a lie about that one too.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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At this moment if Sanders wants to save his campaign he needs to start conducting serious outreach to other elements of the democratic coalition. One part of that outreach needs to be to dump the Bernie Bros publicly and disavow their support. As I kept saying before, the behavior of his most fervent supporters has seriously damaged him as it alienated the supporters of other candidates who might otherwise like him.

Democrats hate Trump and Bernie Bros remind them of Trumpkins. Toss them overboard.

Goddamn you are such a baby.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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What’s weird about this is people claiming that because Trump invented a lie about one candidate they are tainted goods and we must choose another as if Trump would not just invent a lie about that one too.

It's pretty blatant behavioral control tactics. Just take a play from the GOP playbook and tell them to fuck off. We already know they lie about everything, so don't even listen.
 

HomerJS

Lifer
Feb 6, 2002
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It will be come debate time. Guaran-fucking-tee you will see headlines and hear Trump talk about Joe Biden's corruption, Biden family corruption, project project project.

Thanks to Trump and the idiots that follow him, Biden's tainted goods. I still cannot for the life of me understand how people think he will win this election.
If Biden's people are smart they will get together with Hunter and put this to bed early. History has taught us you can't let smears stand. I understand Joe not wanting to get his son in the middle of this but Hunter had better step up for his father.

Deal with this now so when Trump brings it up in the future, Joe can say, questions answered, I had nothing to do with Hunter getting a job. Hunter is an adult any more questions ask him. Next pivot to Trump's taxes and "what exactly is pussy grabbing and how much did you pay Stormy?

Next Bloomberg can hit the airways with the long list of actual corruption by Trump vs the Barisma allegation.
 
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Jaskalas

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Jun 23, 2004
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i'd be perfectly happy to pay more taxes to get "free" healthcare. just like i pay taxes to get "free" roads, "free" fire department service, "free" police service, and so on.

taxes are the cost of civilization.

No no no, insurance is e-vile!! It's socialism... it's communism! How dare you try to improve it by covering more people!? It isn't Capitalism unless half the people are sick and dying on the streets as god intended!
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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If Biden's people are smart they will get together with Hunter and put this to bed early. History has taught us you can't let smears stand. I understand Joe not wanting to get his son in the middle of this but Hunter had better step up for his father.

Deal with this now so when Trump brings it up in the future, Joe can say, questions answered, I had nothing to do with Hunter getting a job. Hunter is an adult any more questions ask him. Next pivot to Trump's taxes and "what exactly is pussy grabbing and how much did you pay Stormy?

Sure. But if I were Biden I would focus on Trump's obvious "policy" reversals since 2016. Where's the infrastructure? Healthcare fixes? Now you're ok with cutting SS and Medicare when you previously stated you wouldn't?
 
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sandorski

No Lifer
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Honestly, why?

The party is trying to move its agenda forward and is a more technically unified body than the "Democratic party" electorate? How many Trumpsters have you seen even on this forum say that they'll vote for Bernie in the primary just so Trump can beat him? These are the folks honestly voting in the primary in a "democratic" fashion.
It absolutely is the party's job to "tip the scales" toward candidates that 1) represent the party's values/ideals/policies and 2) they think can win. Party politics aren't a democracy. This is exactly why I advocate to get government out of the business of helping party's pick their candidates through sponsoring primaries. Party functions should not involve government at all.

Then why the pretext of this process? If the Party Elites have such an agenda already, they should select their Candidate like Cardinals select the Pope and end the sham of Democratic selection by the voting public. The time of Party Insider selection occurs at the point one attempts to get on the initial ballot, not during the process when you have opened the selection up to the Public.
 
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fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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Goddamn you are such a baby.

I told you before that you guys were alienating possible supporters and you didn’t care because you thought you would win anyway. Well, looks like you were wrong.

Want to have a chance at winning? Look to do better, instead of attacking people who 90% agree with you, partner with them. Bernie stands for things most Democrats like, with the exception of one thing, people like you remind us of /r/the_donald.

I doubt you or the other Bros will take this advice but it’s true.
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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Neither are senile, imho. Both have problems expressing themselves perfectly in the 24/7 crucible of our modern political spotlight.

Let me ask each and every one of you here, regardless of your fucking age:

Honestly, how do YOU think you'd hold up under the rigors of this unrelenting spotlight? Perfectly? Yeah, sure!


Well, I know I'd be completely terrible. But that's one reason among a great many why I'm not running for high office! I think maybe one should expect a bit more of someone wanting the most prestigious job in the world.

I still think Biden and Trump are striking for the rambling incoherence of much of their public speech. No way would I get through any middle-class job interview speaking the way Trump does regularly or how Biden does at his worst.

Trump is far worse, I think, he's consistently like that, Biden seems to have good and bad patches.

But there are a lot of different things involved - one being the fact that old white guys in the US don't have to meet the same standards as others in order to be considered qualified. I'd put hyperbole about 'senility' down to a reaction against that, rather than a prejudice against the old (I can only assume you are defending them because you see it as that, because I don't entirely get why you care about this, otherwise)

That maybe needs to be separated from a (not unreasonable) cultural trait that doesn't trust hyper-articulacy and values non-elite styles of speech.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
Nov 4, 2004
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I told you before that you guys were alienating possible supporters and you didn’t care because you thought you would win anyway. Well, looks like you were wrong.

Want to have a chance at winning? Look to do better, instead of attacking people who 90% agree with you, partner with them. Bernie stands for things most Democrats like, with the exception of one thing, people like you remind us of /r/the_donald.

I doubt you or the other Bros will take this advice but it’s true.

Time to support the Dem candidate, hands down. The future is AOC for Bernie minded people.
 

ondma

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Neither are senile, imho. Both have problems expressing themselves perfectly in the 24/7 crucible of our modern political spotlight.

Let me ask each and every one of you here, regardless of your fucking age:

Honestly, how do YOU think you'd hold up under the rigors of this unrelenting spotlight? Perfectly? Yeah, sure!
Irrelevant question because I am not running for president.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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Time to support the Dem candidate, hands down. The future is AOC for Bernie minded people.
It has always been time to support the nominee. If Sanders somehow pulls this out I’ll vote for him in a second.

Bernie minded people will do the same if they care more about his ideals than their wounded pride. It is unclear if all of them do though.
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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Irrelevant question because I am not running for president.

Exactly. Puzzled why Perknose cares about this minor side-issue.

Negative comment about the age of the contenders seems to follow the same pattern as gibes about all those aging male action movie stars who keep beating up bad guys when they are clearly well past their prime, while the female actors get sidelined to play grandmothers as soon as they are over 30.