What about nforce motherboards like the MSI K7N420PRO (MS-6373 6373-020) nForce MCP 200/266MHz FSB DDR ATX?
Got AGOIA "Y" stepping. Works great at 10.5*166 on my 8k3a+ 1.0.
One question here though. In the bois, it said AGP/PCI is 66/33, however in the sisoftware sandra 2002 pro SP1 it's 1/4x, not 1/5x. Maybe I should reinstall windows and sandra? Also, it think I am using KT266A motherboard. Maybe, that's the problem.
Anyone can confirm this problem in the sandra?
BTW, sandra say it's a xp2100+
One question here though. In the bois, it said AGP/PCI is 66/33, however in the sisoftware sandra 2002 pro SP1 it's 1/4x, not 1/5x. Maybe I should reinstall windows and sandra? Also, it think I am using KT266A motherboard. Maybe, that's the problem.
Anyone can confirm this problem in the sandra?
BTW, sandra say it's a xp2100+
Originally posted by: DaHan
Got AGOIA "Y" stepping. Works great at 10.5*166 on my 8k3a+ 1.0.
One question here though. In the bois, it said AGP/PCI is 66/33, however in the sisoftware sandra 2002 pro SP1 it's 1/4x, not 1/5x. Maybe I should reinstall windows and sandra? Also, it think I am using KT266A motherboard. Maybe, that's the problem.
Anyone can confirm this problem in the sandra?
BTW, sandra say it's a xp2100+
Sandra does not properly see a KT333 board.
That is normal.
reinstalling windows or sandra will not help.
Check out FAQ at http://www.sisoftware.demon.co.uk/sandra/index.htm
Q: How do I tell the KT266/266A/333 apart in Sandra?
A: All these chipsets have the same PCI ID and revision ID (Doh!). Internally Sandra is able to tell them apart but cannot display this as we'd need to fake an ID. But you can tell them apart from the Max FSB / Memory Speed data:
KT333 - Max Memory Speed should be 2x 166MHz (333).
KT266A - Max FSB Speed should be 2x 133MHz (266).
KT266 - none of the above.
newegg is out of refurbished epox and gigabyte motherboard. just saw this post today. too bad. would be a nice upgrade from my t-bird
Originally posted by: RobsTV
Originally posted by: DaHan
Got AGOIA "Y" stepping. Works great at 10.5*166 on my 8k3a+ 1.0.
One question here though. In the bois, it said AGP/PCI is 66/33, however in the sisoftware sandra 2002 pro SP1 it's 1/4x, not 1/5x. Maybe I should reinstall windows and sandra? Also, it think I am using KT266A motherboard. Maybe, that's the problem.
Anyone can confirm this problem in the sandra?
BTW, sandra say it's a xp2100+
Sandra does not properly see a KT333 board.
That is normal.
reinstalling windows or sandra will not help.
Check out FAQ at http://www.sisoftware.demon.co.uk/sandra/index.htm
Q: How do I tell the KT266/266A/333 apart in Sandra?
A: All these chipsets have the same PCI ID and revision ID (Doh!). Internally Sandra is able to tell them apart but cannot display this as we'd need to fake an ID. But you can tell them apart from the Max FSB / Memory Speed data:
KT333 - Max Memory Speed should be 2x 166MHz (333).
KT266A - Max FSB Speed should be 2x 133MHz (266).
KT266 - none of the above.
Thanks for the answer, RobsTV. It shows 2*166.
Your CPU temperture is amazing. So, I go ahead order one for $5 and some round cables. You used AS III or what? I am using AS II, and tried Antec reference also. Wouldn't help. 47C normally. I know it's not bad, but ...
Is there any point in picking up one of these 1600's for an Epox 8kha+? This board doesn't have the 1/5 mem/pci divider, so I don't know if you could realistically expect all of your cards and drives to work at too much above 150 mhz anyway, regardless of how good the chip was...?
I do not know about "we" because I think you are pointing to yourself and garyboz only.
Yes, overclockers are like fishermen, they tell tales vastly exaggerated. Whoever is guided by those stories would expect sci-fi that won't happen. There is a very small number of people that run AMD processors 166 on a 133 Mhz bus in reality and they payed for that well out of their wallet. Whether they are aware of that or not is a topic for psychology. Good luck.
8kha+ is a fine choice for the XP1600+. In fact, that is what I can run at 171MHz, when mem is at 1:1.
Fluke? Not at all.
Check out Amdmb.com Forums > Athlon Motherboards > Epox Motherboards
"Most" of these KT266a boards have no problems hiiting above 166MHz, with all sorts of cards.
Here, 2 NICs, 2 video cards (GF3 & Riva128), TV/Tuner, and modem function problem free, even at 171MHz, but as stated, everyday speed is 166MHz.
Contrary to what some "think" here, check out the link above and see what we all "know" about our boards.
With memory set to SPD, and the right Bios, most of them also hit close to 200MHz, (192MHz max here).
For another great site showing the truth, check out:
"Alliance For The Advancement Of The Overclocking Arts" > EPoX MotherBoards
Check out what boards were used at: Overclockers.com - CPU Database
Some guy with XP2200+ has the highest overclocking speed of all, and he does it with a 8kha+ at 155fsb x 14.5.
Why some (one) continue to thread crap in here is strange. If you don't like the deal, and don't want to offer help, move on.
It is not threadcrapping. I am just pointing that most of these overclockers forums stories you linked are fairy tales or the stories of people that spend considerable amount of money to buy top components to do the job they conveniently exaggerate for the purpose of boasting on those forums, that is the name of the game there.
Yes, Epox 8KHA+ may run 166, in fact 200 is what is possible in Bios though that is just available fiction. That is one of the boards made for overclockers but the fact is most of your components will need serious investment to do that. Start with cooling. If I am not mistaken the claim is made that you can do that with $6 cooler. That is a fiction too. In fact you will have to start with at least $30 for cooler unless you want to waste CPU for 30 seconds performance so that you can boast on some of those OC forums.
I budged in this thread by answering the question is it better idea to buy XP1800. Yes, it is for the most people. Then I was personally assaulted by this character "garyboz," check the thread.
Yes, Epox 8KHA+ may run 166, in fact 200 is what is possible in Bios though that is just available fiction. That is one of the boards made for overclockers but the fact is most of your components will need serious investment to do that. Start with cooling. If I am not mistaken the claim is made that you can do that with $6 cooler. That is a fiction too. In fact you will have to start with at least $30 for cooler unless you want to waste CPU for 30 seconds performance so that you can boast on some of those OC forums.
I budged in this thread by answering the question is it better idea to buy XP1800. Yes, it is for the most people. Then I was personally assaulted by this character "garyboz," check the thread.
If you haven't noticed, this is an Overclockers/Enthusiasts Thread more or less. And that they're all wives tales? Check out the Overclockers database which I told you to go to before. At 1.75ghz, there are a ton of people with the AGOIA stepping chips with Air Cooling. I honestly believe you have no idea what overclocking is about, or else by now you would see why people are buying this. An XP1800 is NOT a better buy for the overclocker, because A)Its extremely hard getting 'em to run at the 166mhz FSB unlike the 1600+ 2) The XP1800 is more expensive, 25$ more expensive, which can buy a cooler and some AS3 and still have change left over. Try reading through the WHOLE thread, maybe you'll come out of this with a little bit of knowledge. Btw, mine should be here tomorrow. And Steve, how do you know that cooling with the $6 is fiction when you've never tried it yourself? Stop the crapping, move on.
Yes, great. This needs to be reported Anandtech since they evaluated T'bred after the release and they couldn't go more than 400 Mhz less than that guy. That is I guess because they didn't know they have to use $6 cooler.
This above is exactly what I am talking about - expensive investment and then exaggeration for the sake of boasting.
months ago I bought a Duron 1G from Newegg, with a magic code AHLCA on the CPU. What I did is just set the jumper at 133 instead of 100, not even raise the voltage. The system runs perfectly since then. Passed all kind of tests, prime95, sandra stress, 3DMark2001, PCMark2002, etc.
Well, what i am trying to say is that, CPUs perform differently from batchs to batchs.
Well, what i am trying to say is that, CPUs perform differently from batchs to batchs.
Fatbrain, that is because Duron is very much a different story. First it is on 100 Mhz bus so most of the components are ready to switch to 133. But even then you need some decent cooling. In case of Duron you need a motherboard that has temperature sensor because you should not overclock without that. That way you can burn Duron but also do a damage to a motherboard. Duron has no sensor on its own as far as I know.
Using AS II here. Next purchase will be AS III, but keeping with the "dirt cheap, low cost formula", using what I have.
You are using 8k3a+, which uses the XP1600+ internal diode for temp.
I am using 8kha+ which does not use Diode. 8kha+ uses thermistor in CPU socket, under CPU.
Diode temps have shown to be more accurate, and also usually show about 7c to 10c higher than non-diode temps.
So your 47c would probably read about 37c to 40c if you had 8kha+ board.
Nothing to worry about, as temp shown is just a reference point.
The best way to see how hot it can safely go is to overclock and severe test until instability sets in, and note the temp.
Then lower speed so that the instability temp never comes close.
Instability sets in way, way before any damage from temp can occur.
To help keep things cool, case is Maxtop with $2.00 Panaflo L1's in top blowhole, front intake, and rear exhaust.
Originally posted by: stevejst
Yes, great. This needs to be reported Anandtech since they evaluated T'bred after the release and they couldn't go more than 400 Mhz less than that guy. That is I guess because they didn't know they have to use $6 cooler.
This above is exactly what I am talking about - expensive investment and then exaggeration for the sake of boasting.
Don't know why I keep responding to crap, but misfacts drive me nuts.
Anandtech used STOCK cooler, so yes, this $40 HSF, (now priced at $6), WILL do better.
Take a look at other overclockers sites, and you will see that the XP2200+ is a different animal,
with some overclocking badly, while others had no problems hitting over 2100MHz with air cooling.
But, this XP2200+ is not the subject of this thread.
Only reason why I mentioned it was to confirm that the motherboard used, 8kha+, works fine at high FSB speeds.
You do NOT need high end or expensive parts. You do NOT need KT333.
EDIT:
Just as a test, I installed stock retail 1GHz T-Bird heatsink.
Under light load, stock vcore, 8kha+, XP1600+ at 166x10.5, temp only hit 53c.
XP1600+ at XP2100+, stock cooling
Funny how it is perfectly acceptable to overclock an Intel CPU by 50% (1.6A to 2.4GHz = +800MHz), using stock HSF,
yet if you want to overclock an AMD by 1/2 that amount, (1400MHz to 1740MHz = +340MHz), using a high end HSF,
that is a fairy tail???
The proof is in the posts. Pop the XP1600+ in, increase fsb to 166, done. Tough wasn't it?Okay....Im about to overclock my computer. I was going to use a 1800+, but since I heard
the 1600 is better at overclocking I'll do that instead.
My problem is that I have two motherboards and don't know which will perform better.
Will the Abit KG7-Raid, or the MSI K7T266 Pro-Ru work better?
Thanks.
the 1600 is better at overclocking I'll do that instead.
My problem is that I have two motherboards and don't know which will perform better.
Will the Abit KG7-Raid, or the MSI K7T266 Pro-Ru work better?
Thanks.
stevejst
I think there are some valid points in your replies here, although you may be overly negative about the realities of overclocking.
However, the general principle of this hot deal is that the XP1600 offers greater headroom in the over-clocking department for a lower cost.
Whether or not the CPU will actually reach the desired speed is neither here nor there
Assuming the $68 CPU reaches the speeds advertised then it is a good deal.
One very narrow minded comment you often make is that the higher the cost of a component - the better it will perform. This is sometimes the case - but very often higher priced good are no better.
A good example of this can be found with PSU's - I used to live in Hong Kong and you could get good PSU's for next to nothing. When my friend built a Lian Li aluminium cased system he asked the guy in the shop which PSU he recommended - he pointed to the HK$50 PSU (approx US$7!!)
Personally I always go for the cheaper option of the CPU's and attempt to overclock each and everytime.
Of all the systems I have ever owned since way back in '98 with a K6-2 300@336Mhz, C300A@450, PIII450@600, D700@933/950 to the present day with a Duron 1Ghz (which does 1.2Ghz in my KT7A - 1.05Ghz in my K7S5A) it has always been very straightforward and involved very small amounts of time.
In summary, if you can just pop it into your system and run at the overclocked speeds then it is a very worthwhile CPU
I think there are some valid points in your replies here, although you may be overly negative about the realities of overclocking.
However, the general principle of this hot deal is that the XP1600 offers greater headroom in the over-clocking department for a lower cost.
Whether or not the CPU will actually reach the desired speed is neither here nor there
Assuming the $68 CPU reaches the speeds advertised then it is a good deal.
One very narrow minded comment you often make is that the higher the cost of a component - the better it will perform. This is sometimes the case - but very often higher priced good are no better.
A good example of this can be found with PSU's - I used to live in Hong Kong and you could get good PSU's for next to nothing. When my friend built a Lian Li aluminium cased system he asked the guy in the shop which PSU he recommended - he pointed to the HK$50 PSU (approx US$7!!)
Personally I always go for the cheaper option of the CPU's and attempt to overclock each and everytime.
Of all the systems I have ever owned since way back in '98 with a K6-2 300@336Mhz, C300A@450, PIII450@600, D700@933/950 to the present day with a Duron 1Ghz (which does 1.2Ghz in my KT7A - 1.05Ghz in my K7S5A) it has always been very straightforward and involved very small amounts of time.
In summary, if you can just pop it into your system and run at the overclocked speeds then it is a very worthwhile CPU
Hi, I have aquired a lot of the GC68 fan you can find here: for $6. However I'm sure stevejst has persuaded many of you with his well thought out arguments and his impecable statements of fact. I know I was personally move by his, "If it costs more it must be better arguement." I am now offering a limited number of these GC68 cpu coolers for $39.95 This is NOT a joke. If you want to brag to your friends about how much you paid for your CPU fan I can accommodate you. Imagine how much more impressed they will be when you tell them your 1600+ cpu overclocks to 1900+ speeds not using some chumpy $6 cooler but by a genuine $40 cooler. PM me for details.
Mine just arrived...... it's an AGOIA "Y" stepping
Now all I need is a KT400 motherboard and I'm good to go.
Oh yeah, and one of those $6/$39.95 CG68 coolers.
Now all I need is a KT400 motherboard and I'm good to go.
Oh yeah, and one of those $6/$39.95 CG68 coolers.
Mail just arrived today with my package...it's a AROIA? How well does this one OC? Any information is appreciated.
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