... ?
I wrote in my post that I was NOT going with the cheaper PSU... think you may have misread
I think the Corsair 400W is plenty for now and just right for future HD adds and video card addition. It's like the best brand (one of em) or so I hear. I agree with you about PSU, I don't want to gamble on something that is so important for the system.
I wrote in my post that I was NOT going with the cheaper PSU... think you may have misread
I think the Corsair 400W is plenty for now and just right for future HD adds and video card addition. It's like the best brand (one of em) or so I hear. I agree with you about PSU, I don't want to gamble on something that is so important for the system.
The corsair 400CX is a very solid choice.
Let us know how you get on once you've put everything together
Let us know how you get on once you've put everything together
holy holy holy holy holy crap.
this.
is
AWESOME
my goodness this computer is FAST. like super super super super super fast. i love it. keep in mind i was using a 2.0ghz sempron laptop b4 this. ZOMG I LOVE IT
question: with this 940 x4 setup should i try to get a 64-bit copy of XP? will it improve performance? i'll upgrade to windows 7 later once it's been out for longer... only have 4gb of ram so XP is my preferred as of now
LOVE THIS COMP THANK YOU AT!
this.
is
AWESOME
my goodness this computer is FAST. like super super super super super fast. i love it. keep in mind i was using a 2.0ghz sempron laptop b4 this. ZOMG I LOVE IT
question: with this 940 x4 setup should i try to get a 64-bit copy of XP? will it improve performance? i'll upgrade to windows 7 later once it's been out for longer... only have 4gb of ram so XP is my preferred as of now
LOVE THIS COMP THANK YOU AT!
* 64-bit XP just isn't an "upgrade" for you. The 64-bit version of XP didn't live up to its potentialOriginally posted by: BaboonGuy
question: with this 940 x4 setup should i try to get a 64-bit copy of XP? will it improve performance?
i'll upgrade to windows 7 later once it's been out for longer... only have 4gb of ram so XP is my preferred as of now
* If you're planning on Windows 7 anyway, there's no reason you shouldn't get started with it now. If nothing else, use a 64-bit Vista.
* Don't worry about 4GBs now. With video editing, you should see a bump in performance with a 64-bit OS.
cool thanks for info. probably change OS's soon, but i'm still reveling in how F'ING FAST this thing is.
oh and a couple notes on my build. i wish i got a 90 degree sata cable for one side of it. the way the HD is designed, it's just better, no risk of not being able to close the case door.
it's a bit loud, but i bet two 120mm silent-ish fans will help that immensely. didn't need the thermal grease, the cpu came with a pad on the hsf.
onboard graphics of radeon 5300 is pretty damn good imo (warcraft III ft dota plays like butter).
it's a bit loud, but i bet two 120mm silent-ish fans will help that immensely. didn't need the thermal grease, the cpu came with a pad on the hsf.
onboard graphics of radeon 5300 is pretty damn good imo (warcraft III ft dota plays like butter).
Which case did you finally go with? The rosewill? There are plenty of nice quiet fans that will fit in there.
And a SOLID NO to XP 64-bit. Stick with XP 32-bit for now, and then jump on the Windows 7 x64 bandwagon when you're ready. By all accounts Win7 is rock solid...
And a SOLID NO to XP 64-bit. Stick with XP 32-bit for now, and then jump on the Windows 7 x64 bandwagon when you're ready. By all accounts Win7 is rock solid...
cooool
yea i went with the rosewill r5604
it's a pretty sexy case. i have to admit, really good built quality imo. only thing is it seems it's missing a PCI slot cover where they probably presumed you'd put a video card in, however i didn't get one.
another thing (for newbies) that wasn't mentioned in the mechbgon guide or the corsair guide is that you may need to get some adapters for your sata drives to fit with your PSU. i read that my corsair came with 6x sata power things so i thought i was fine. that's 2 lines of 3x sata power connectors. but fsr when i was building i only saw 1 and was freaking out a little bit because i wasn't sure i'd be able to connect the 1st one on the line to my hd then have enough distance to get the 3rd one in the dvd burner. turns out i did once i moved my hd up. but not all psu's come with 2 lines, so that's just something to be aware of guys.
oh and i had a minor setback because my RAM wasn't being recognized as 1066 just 800 and the only way to change this is to active manual overclock in the bios. so i did that thinking i could just change the mem settings and be okay. i did, changed speed to 1066 and restart. Then the mobo would BEEPBEEPBEEPBEEPBEEPBEEPBEEP and i couldn't get into windows or even bios. Had to reset the CMOS jumper.
yea i went with the rosewill r5604
it's a pretty sexy case. i have to admit, really good built quality imo. only thing is it seems it's missing a PCI slot cover where they probably presumed you'd put a video card in, however i didn't get one.
another thing (for newbies) that wasn't mentioned in the mechbgon guide or the corsair guide is that you may need to get some adapters for your sata drives to fit with your PSU. i read that my corsair came with 6x sata power things so i thought i was fine. that's 2 lines of 3x sata power connectors. but fsr when i was building i only saw 1 and was freaking out a little bit because i wasn't sure i'd be able to connect the 1st one on the line to my hd then have enough distance to get the 3rd one in the dvd burner. turns out i did once i moved my hd up. but not all psu's come with 2 lines, so that's just something to be aware of guys.
oh and i had a minor setback because my RAM wasn't being recognized as 1066 just 800 and the only way to change this is to active manual overclock in the bios. so i did that thinking i could just change the mem settings and be okay. i did, changed speed to 1066 and restart. Then the mobo would BEEPBEEPBEEPBEEPBEEPBEEPBEEP and i couldn't get into windows or even bios. Had to reset the CMOS jumper.
If you went with the G.Skill RAM early in this thread, then more than likely you need to change the voltage too. By default it will be at 1.8v and it requires 2.0-2.1v
hmmm... i'm having problems doing this.
i can set the RAM up to 1066 and then I change the memory voltage up to 2.15V which should be plenty? however, when i get to windows i get all these errors then it restarts itself. right now i'm back at 800 and stable.
also biostar has a software overclocking utility and one in their bios... maybe i should use the software one?
stay away from software overclocking. Yes, it's easy. But it is very generous with voltages, you can do a whole heck of a lot better in terms of how high you go AND keeping the voltages lower by doing it in BIOS.
For the RAM, you might have to go into the timings and manually set them to the default listed. I think they are 5-5-5-15? maybe the mobo is using the 800mhz timings which would be around 4-4-4-12 probably. You shouldn't have to go to 2.15v. try 2.0v first, then 2.1v.
For the RAM, you might have to go into the timings and manually set them to the default listed. I think they are 5-5-5-15? maybe the mobo is using the 800mhz timings which would be around 4-4-4-12 probably. You shouldn't have to go to 2.15v. try 2.0v first, then 2.1v.
Originally posted by: Blain
Actually you may have been right! I've been getting really intermittent system crashes
I also couldn't get my RAM to run 1066 stable so I just settled at 800 and it is rock solid or so I thought. I ran Prime95 for about 30min and the system held up fine.
Then just now I am surfing the web and youtube does this GLITCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH thing and my computer is frozen. Though tbh I didn't try task manager. Then also, it somehow turned off when I was off at work... don't know how but I think it was a crash cause my brother wasn't closed properly.
Ugh
Don't have the money to snatch up a new PSU right now so I guess I'll live with it.oh and b4 anyone says heating issue: I looked at the CPU temp right after this last crash (pretty sure it was a crash) and it was only at 44C
The random lockup sounds like memory (could also be NB voltage or CPU voltage). You're going to have to trouble shoot one item at a time. I'd run memtest first to check and make sure the memory isn't bad.
I doubt it's the temps, but if you use coretemp or realtemp they both have logging features. If you check the temp after you restart the computer the CPU may have cooled off a bit by then.
I doubt it's the temps, but if you use coretemp or realtemp they both have logging features. If you check the temp after you restart the computer the CPU may have cooled off a bit by then.
K. Ran Memtest86. Passed WOOHOO!
Just upped CPU voltage from 1.312 to 1.344. Hopefully this ends the random lockups (they happen like once every two days though, so not too bad... just with video editing a lock up at the wrong time could be pretty bad).
CPU-Z says CPU voltage is 1.360V... while mobo on boot-up said 1.344. Don't know who to trust. Really don't want the CPU to be over volted, looking for uber longevity here
SpeedFAN also says Vcore1 is 1.36V (Vcore2 is 1.25V)
What is wrong with XP x64? I have been running it for over a year and only had problems with drivers for a Netgear WiFi card that was a piece of crap anyway. We know what is in his rig and there is nothing special that would be hard to get drivers for. I have found XP x64 to be extremely stable and fast. WoW and all my stream games play perfect and video stuff IS faster then when I switch to regular XP, and I don't hit that 3.5gig ceiling that the 32 bit version has.
@BaboonGuy - Make sure you run the tests long enough. If you've run memtest and it passes all the tests, it's probably not bad RAM. So let's then look at CPU test like Prime95 or OCCT. For a quick check, run them for an hour or two, but to ensure it's *really* stable (and with what you're doing... you need stability) run them longer. Personally, I use OCCT 1hr for my quick checks, and then i run prime95 for 8-12hrs checking for stability. Some people run them for 24hrs+, it depends on your comfort level.
I'm not sure what is a reasonable voltage for that chip, somebody else will have to chime in on that. You will see different values in BIOS vs CPU-z. I'm pretty sure CPU-Z is what you want to go with since the BIOS is what you set the board to, and CPU-Z is reading what you're actually getting.
@ccbadd - XPx64 was plagued by driver and application compatibility problems. Little stuff like printers wouldn't work, or scanners, lots of programs, or whatever. Check the Adobe forums for issues with XPx64 and Adobe compat problems, there are TONS. According to the OP he is using photoshop, and might also be using premiere for video (I'm guessing that). Both have tons of confirmed issues with Xpx64. CS3 didn't support 64-bit windows of any flavor, but people were able to get it to work with little to no troubles in Vista x64. I'm pretty sure CS4 "officially" supports 64-bit Vista, but not XPx64.
Since the choice at the time was XP 32-bit (no problems, but you lose ~0.5GB of RAM) or XP 64-bit which would give him access to all his RAM but would *more than likely* put him in a world of hurt for his software I chose to recommend the former. Vista x64 is much better than XPx64 (IMO), but at this point Win7 is right around the corner. So my advice is to stick with XPx86 for now and lose out on the .5GB of RAM until Win7x64 comes out.
I'm not sure what is a reasonable voltage for that chip, somebody else will have to chime in on that. You will see different values in BIOS vs CPU-z. I'm pretty sure CPU-Z is what you want to go with since the BIOS is what you set the board to, and CPU-Z is reading what you're actually getting.
@ccbadd - XPx64 was plagued by driver and application compatibility problems. Little stuff like printers wouldn't work, or scanners, lots of programs, or whatever. Check the Adobe forums for issues with XPx64 and Adobe compat problems, there are TONS. According to the OP he is using photoshop, and might also be using premiere for video (I'm guessing that). Both have tons of confirmed issues with Xpx64. CS3 didn't support 64-bit windows of any flavor, but people were able to get it to work with little to no troubles in Vista x64. I'm pretty sure CS4 "officially" supports 64-bit Vista, but not XPx64.
Since the choice at the time was XP 32-bit (no problems, but you lose ~0.5GB of RAM) or XP 64-bit which would give him access to all his RAM but would *more than likely* put him in a world of hurt for his software I chose to recommend the former. Vista x64 is much better than XPx64 (IMO), but at this point Win7 is right around the corner. So my advice is to stick with XPx86 for now and lose out on the .5GB of RAM until Win7x64 comes out.
Okay, running Prime 95 for 10 hours hopefully. So far so good, except CPU is at 60C. Max is 62C :X
really weird. I checked CPU-Z and voltage is now at 1.328V? I didn't change anything. P95 still going strong.
looks like you've been p95'ing for over 12hours now?
No errors shown? temps look good?
And memtest passed also?
I think next step might be to check your hard drive. I had a machine that randomly BSOD'd and got progressively worse and worse. I checked all the hardware out and couldn't find the culprit. Turns out the drive was dying. It went thru scandisk once or twice with the usual cleaning up indexes, which is why i didn't suspect it. I ran a check with WD Diagnostics and SMART failed, *then* scandisk started finding errors. I replaced the drive and all is right with the world.
EDIT: Can you put up the final parts list you used? it's kinda scattered throughout the thread...
EDIT2: Your voltage in CPU-Z will fluctuate depending on load. Unless your mobo supports load line calibration (LLC), but I'm not sure if that's just an Intel thing.
No errors shown? temps look good?
And memtest passed also?
I think next step might be to check your hard drive. I had a machine that randomly BSOD'd and got progressively worse and worse. I checked all the hardware out and couldn't find the culprit. Turns out the drive was dying. It went thru scandisk once or twice with the usual cleaning up indexes, which is why i didn't suspect it. I ran a check with WD Diagnostics and SMART failed, *then* scandisk started finding errors. I replaced the drive and all is right with the world.
EDIT: Can you put up the final parts list you used? it's kinda scattered throughout the thread...
EDIT2: Your voltage in CPU-Z will fluctuate depending on load. Unless your mobo supports load line calibration (LLC), but I'm not sure if that's just an Intel thing.
Yep I turned of p95 about 2 hrs ago. So the CPU is stable. I really think it is the voltage being upped because I haven't gotten a lock-up and I've been using it regularly... I'll do the HD test too though to make sure.
Hmmm I have a Hitachi HD so I'll guess I'll download their "Fitness Test" thing. Apparently it tests smart so that should be equivalent:
http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/download.htm#SD
"Analyzes Drive Fitness
Three modes of operation.
- High confidence level quick test
- Full media scan
- Exerciser
Performs real-time analysis of your drive to quickly determine if problem exists.
Identifies system problems such as cable or temperatures.
Automatically logs significant drive parameters to track potential impacts to the drive operations (diskette version only).
Restores Drive Fitness
Erase-boot-sector utility (Use option: Erase Boot Sector).
- Note: this utility overwrites customer data to allow repair of bad sectors.
Low-level format utility (Use option: Erase Disk).
- Note: this utility overwrites customer data to allow repair of bad sectors.
Includes Utilities
Drive information.
SMART operations for supported hard disk drives."
So I'll run that along with the other proggy at the same time. EDIT: oops can't run them at the same time. The fitness test thing requires to be self-booted from a CD or something, argh what a pain.
I'll also post my final list of components later... bit tired now.
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