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[her209]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
And we need to remember the Truth written in the Chinese news is going to be accurate right.

You're right. Only American news is accurate and unbiased.

Tell me, who would you think is less likely to outright lie? The widely varied privately owned US media, or the state controlled Chinese media?

I don't know. Why don't you tell me (since I'm obviously going to get the wrong answer)?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
And we need to remember the Truth written in the Chinese news is going to be accurate right.

You're right. Only American news is accurate and unbiased.

Tell me, who would you think is less likely to outright lie? The widely varied privately owned US media, or the state controlled Chinese media?

I don't know. Why don't you tell me (since I'm obviously going to get the wrong answer)?

I just want you to think about it for a minute. That's all.

To claim that the American media is lying, is to claim that the dozens of independant media outlets have all conspired to lie. To claim that the Chinese media has lied is to claim that their totalitarian government choose to lie.

Which one is more likely?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused
How do we know that is what happened? We do not. It could very well be that when he took her down to the ground, he dropped on her with his knee. Or it could just be that her account is full of crap and her bruises came from being dropped and restrained. It wouldn't be the first time a criminal defendant has lied.

Exactly! How do we know that he didn't try to cop a feel. She refusing, he began to beat her. Its wouldn't be the first time a police officer has written a false report.

Uh huh. Even she doesn't claim he tried to "cop a feel."

The claims she is making don't make any sense. She is claiming that he waved her to stop with one hand, maced her with the other, threw her to the ground and he and two of his buddies kicked her repeatedly.

That report makes no sense. Why? Because there is no provocation.

that doesn't mean anything... it wouldn't be the first time people have attacked others with no provocation. it's entirely possible this guy is some sadistic power tripper that saw a chance to take advantage of a foreigner thinking that they wouldn't make a big deal out of it and just go home.

OK, then why is he on the job? Why doesn't he AND his three coworkers have a history of unprovoked violence?

Sorry, like I said, this doesn't make sense.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused
How do we know that is what happened? We do not. It could very well be that when he took her down to the ground, he dropped on her with his knee. Or it could just be that her account is full of crap and her bruises came from being dropped and restrained. It wouldn't be the first time a criminal defendant has lied.

Exactly! How do we know that he didn't try to cop a feel. She refusing, he began to beat her. Its wouldn't be the first time a police officer has written a false report.

Uh huh. Even she doesn't claim he tried to "cop a feel."

The claims she is making don't make any sense. She is claiming that he waved her to stop with one hand, maced her with the other, threw her to the ground and he and two of his buddies kicked her repeatedly.

That report makes no sense. Why? Because there is no provocation.

that doesn't mean anything... it wouldn't be the first time people have attacked others with no provocation. it's entirely possible this guy is some sadistic power tripper that saw a chance to take advantage of a foreigner thinking that they wouldn't make a big deal out of it and just go home.

OK, then why is he on the job? Why doesn't he AND his three coworkers have a history of unprovoked violence?

Sorry, like I said, this doesn't make sense.

you must be kidding me, it doesn't make any sense that there are cops that shouldn't be cops? how do you know he doesn't have a history? it wasn't in the OP article.

 

[stringcheeseincident]

forget about the mustard...what if these blt's were plain?

 

[Vic]

I think we should just make a let-the-cops-kick-the-sh!t-out-of-everyone holiday. No evidence, no provocation, no justification. Just a bad beaten woman who apparently did not resist or fight back in anyway and no one thinks that the border guard didn't use excessive force? I LOVE the justification spin too... she might have been carrying illegal drugs... whatever. She wasn't. Nor was she armed. Nor she did she resist. But yes, she did get beaten like 10 rounds with Ali. None of you see a disconnect? Then the brainwashing of the American public appears to be near complete. Better go buy some more duck tape...

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused
How do we know that is what happened? We do not. It could very well be that when he took her down to the ground, he dropped on her with his knee. Or it could just be that her account is full of crap and her bruises came from being dropped and restrained. It wouldn't be the first time a criminal defendant has lied.

Exactly! How do we know that he didn't try to cop a feel. She refusing, he began to beat her. Its wouldn't be the first time a police officer has written a false report.

Uh huh. Even she doesn't claim he tried to "cop a feel."

The claims she is making don't make any sense. She is claiming that he waved her to stop with one hand, maced her with the other, threw her to the ground and he and two of his buddies kicked her repeatedly.

That report makes no sense. Why? Because there is no provocation.

that doesn't mean anything... it wouldn't be the first time people have attacked others with no provocation. it's entirely possible this guy is some sadistic power tripper that saw a chance to take advantage of a foreigner thinking that they wouldn't make a big deal out of it and just go home.

OK, then why is he on the job? Why doesn't he AND his three coworkers have a history of unprovoked violence?

Sorry, like I said, this doesn't make sense.

you must be kidding me, it doesn't make any sense that there are cops that shouldn't be cops? how do you know he doesn't have a history? it wasn't in the OP article.

Cohen estimated that Rhodes has processed more than 8 million people entering the US over his 17-year career.

"But now the same government that Officer Rhodes has committed most of his adult life to protecting finds itself under tremendous international pressure to prosecute Officer Rhodes," he said.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2004/08/01/2003181276

He's a 17 year veteran. And suddenly he decides to start beating up cooperating Chinese women?

Like I said. It doesn't make sense.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Vic
I think we should just make a let-the-cops-kick-the-sh!t-out-of-everyone holiday. No evidence, no provocation, no justification. Just a bad beaten woman who apparently did not resist or fight back in anyway and no one thinks that the border guard didn't use excessive force? I LOVE the justification spin too... she might have been carrying illegal drugs... whatever. She wasn't. Nor was she armed. Nor she did she resist. But yes, she did get beaten like 10 rounds with Ali. None of you see a disconnect? Then the brainwashing of the American public appears to be near complete. Better go buy some more duck tape...

Why do you assume she was not violently resisting?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Amused
I just want you to think about it for a minute. That's all.

To claim that the American media is lying, is to claim that the dozens of independant media outlets have all conspired to lie. To claim that the Chinese media has lied is to claim that their totalitarian government choose to lie.

Which one is more likely?

Now think about this. How many DIFFERENT reports on the SAME story have you heard from these "independent" media outlets?

 

[SeaMonki]

OK, then why is he on the job? Why doesn't he AND his three coworkers have a history of unprovoked violence?

Sorry, like I said, this doesn't make sense.

I wonder if the cop who beat Rodney King had a history of unprovoked violence. maybe sometimes people just snap from all the build up of something due to the nature of their working environment.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Vic
I think we should just make a let-the-cops-kick-the-sh!t-out-of-everyone holiday. No evidence, no provocation, no justification. Just a bad beaten woman who apparently did not resist or fight back in anyway and no one thinks that the border guard didn't use excessive force? I LOVE the justification spin too... she might have been carrying illegal drugs... whatever. She wasn't. Nor was she armed. Nor she did she resist. But yes, she did get beaten like 10 rounds with Ali. None of you see a disconnect? Then the brainwashing of the American public appears to be near complete. Better go buy some more duck tape...

Why do you assume she was not violently resisting?

Because there is no evidence that supports that. Like I said, where are the photographs of the scratches and bruises on the officer?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused
I just want you to think about it for a minute. That's all.

To claim that the American media is lying, is to claim that the dozens of independant media outlets have all conspired to lie. To claim that the Chinese media has lied is to claim that their totalitarian government choose to lie.

Which one is more likely?

Now think about this. How many DIFFERENT reports on the SAME story have you heard from these "independent" media outlets?

In doing a Google serach for this story, at least 6.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Vic
I think we should just make a let-the-cops-kick-the-sh!t-out-of-everyone holiday. No evidence, no provocation, no justification. Just a bad beaten woman who apparently did not resist or fight back in anyway and no one thinks that the border guard didn't use excessive force? I LOVE the justification spin too... she might have been carrying illegal drugs... whatever. She wasn't. Nor was she armed. Nor she did she resist. But yes, she did get beaten like 10 rounds with Ali. None of you see a disconnect? Then the brainwashing of the American public appears to be near complete. Better go buy some more duck tape...

Why do you assume she was not violently resisting?

Because there is no evidence that supports that. Like I said, where are the photographs of the scratches and bruises on the officer?

There is no evidence EITHER WAY. Some here are arbitraily taking her word and running with it.

There are video cameras at these check points, I'm sure. Where is the video?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SeaMonki

OK, then why is he on the job? Why doesn't he AND his three coworkers have a history of unprovoked violence?

Sorry, like I said, this doesn't make sense.

I wonder if the cop who beat Rodney King had a history of unprovoked violence. maybe sometimes people just snap from all the build up of something due to the nature of their working environment.

The beating of Rodney King was HARDLY unprovoked. You need to watch the entire video. Not just the end where he finally lost (the part that was played over and over on the news).

This is why the first Jury found the officers NOT guilty.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Amused
In doing a Google serach for this story, at least 6.

So you're saying that there are 6 different reports on this story? And you're saying that its still more credible than the Chinese government. I'm not saying that the Chinese government doesn't lie, just that they report the same story.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused
In doing a Google serach for this story, at least 6.

So you're saying that there are 6 different reports on this story? And you're saying that its still more credible than the Chinese government. I'm not saying that the Chinese government doesn't lie, just that they report the same story.

Yes, I am. The Chinese government is notorious for their propaganda and media control.

That's why the US has freedom of the press. They may spin they story, but with so many independant outlets, one will get caught if it outright lies.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Amused
There is no evidence EITHER WAY. Some here are arbitraily taking her word and running with it.

There is no evidence? How do you explain the bruises on her face? There is only evidence that leaning in the favor of the Asian lady. Unless the officer can produce evidence of fierce resistance by her, the benefit of the doubt should go to the Asian lady.

There are video cameras at these check points, I'm sure. Where is the video?

I'm sure there are videos, just not released yet.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Amused
Why do you assume she was not violently resisting?

Because I know from experience what a person looks like when they've been on the losing end of a one-sided asskicking.

For example, look at the Chinese website where you can see her hands. They're soft and don't show the slightest sign of bruising or scratching. Meanwhile, her face has the classic right-hook-to-left-eye black eye, and the forehead-repeatedly-slamming-into-the-concrete-floor brusings.

Instead of trying to detain or arrest, this border guard just jumped in and beat the hell out of her, probably thinking he would find something on her in order to justify it later. Unfortunately for him, she didn't have anything. The only "resisting" she probably did was the usual panic struggling that happens from people who have never been violently attacked in their whole life.


BTW, that just the planted thought that she might have been carrying drugs makes all you sheeple fall into line with the authority position just cracks me up.

If that hadn't worked to successfully brainwash the sheeple, I'm sure the OMGWTBBQterrorism angle would have been next. :roll:

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused
There is no evidence EITHER WAY. Some here are arbitraily taking her word and running with it.

There is no evidence? How do you explain the bruises on her face? There is only evidence that leaning in the favor of the Asian lady. Unless the officer can produce evidence of fierce resistance by her, the benefit of the doubt should go to the Asian lady.

So you believe the benefit of the doubt should always go to the criminal defendant?

It is quite likely she's bruised up because when a cop takes you down, chances are you will hit the ground HARD.

There doesn't NEED to be any marks on the cop. If he subdued a resisting woman he could have done so without getting hit or scratched. This is NOT a fight. I neveer said it was. It was a cop subduing a suspect who he claims was resisting. A fight and a take down are two different things.

Look, it sucks that she got bruised up. But if she was resisting, that's what happens. And I tend to believe a 17 year veteran cop over some criminal defendant.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused
How do we know that is what happened? We do not. It could very well be that when he took her down to the ground, he dropped on her with his knee. Or it could just be that her account is full of crap and her bruises came from being dropped and restrained. It wouldn't be the first time a criminal defendant has lied.

Exactly! How do we know that he didn't try to cop a feel. She refusing, he began to beat her. Its wouldn't be the first time a police officer has written a false report.

Uh huh. Even she doesn't claim he tried to "cop a feel."

The claims she is making don't make any sense. She is claiming that he waved her to stop with one hand, maced her with the other, threw her to the ground and he and two of his buddies kicked her repeatedly.

That report makes no sense. Why? Because there is no provocation.

that doesn't mean anything... it wouldn't be the first time people have attacked others with no provocation. it's entirely possible this guy is some sadistic power tripper that saw a chance to take advantage of a foreigner thinking that they wouldn't make a big deal out of it and just go home.

OK, then why is he on the job? Why doesn't he AND his three coworkers have a history of unprovoked violence?

Sorry, like I said, this doesn't make sense.

you must be kidding me, it doesn't make any sense that there are cops that shouldn't be cops? how do you know he doesn't have a history? it wasn't in the OP article.

Cohen estimated that Rhodes has processed more than 8 million people entering the US over his 17-year career.

"But now the same government that Officer Rhodes has committed most of his adult life to protecting finds itself under tremendous international pressure to prosecute Officer Rhodes," he said.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2004/08/01/2003181276

He's a 17 year veteran. And suddenly he decides to start beating up cooperating Chinese women?

Like I said. It doesn't make sense.

maybe i missed it, but exactly where did that article state that he didn't abuse any of those other 8 million people? it just says he processed them, not if he has any previous history or anything.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused
In doing a Google serach for this story, at least 6.

So you're saying that there are 6 different reports on this story? And you're saying that its still more credible than the Chinese government. I'm not saying that the Chinese government doesn't lie, just that they report the same story.

Yes, I am. The Chinese government is notorious for their propaganda and media control.

That's why the US has freedom of the press. They may spin they story, but with so many independant outlets, one will get caught if it outright lies.

Boy, if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Amused
So you believe the benefit of the doubt should always go to the criminal defendant?

It is quite likely she's bruised up because when a cop takes you down, chances are you will hit the ground HARD.

There doesn't NEED to be any marks on the cop. If he subdued a resisting woman he could have done so without getting hit or scratched. This is NOT a fight. I neveer said it was. It was a cop subduing a suspect who he claims was resisting. A fight and a take down are two different things.

Look, it sucks that she got bruised up. But if she was resisting, that's what happens. And I tend to believe a 17 year veteran cop over some criminal defendant.

You're now contradicting yourself.

Even the officer was claiming that she was kicking and scratching him.

You are right about one thing, THIS WAS NOT A FIGHT.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Amused
Why do you assume she was not violently resisting?

Because I know from experience what a person looks like when they've been on the losing end of a one-sided asskicking.

For example, look at the Chinese website where you can see her hands. They're soft and don't show the slightest sign of bruising or scratching. Meanwhile, her face has the classic right-hook-to-left-eye black eye, and the forehead-repeatedly-slamming-into-the-concrete-floor brusings.

Instead of trying to detain or arrest, this border guard just jumped in and beat the hell out of her, probably thinking he would find something on her in order to justify it later. Unfortunately for him, she didn't have anything. The only "resisting" she probably did was the usual panic struggling that happens from people who have never been violently attacked in their whole life.


BTW, that just the planted thought that she might have been carrying drugs makes all you sheeple fall into line with the authority position just cracks me up.

If that hadn't worked to successfully brainwash the sheeple, I'm sure the OMGWTBBQterrorism angle would have been next. :roll:

Vic, ALL her facial injuries easily could have been sustained by one hard takedown if she landed face first. I've seen it before.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused
In doing a Google serach for this story, at least 6.

So you're saying that there are 6 different reports on this story? And you're saying that its still more credible than the Chinese government. I'm not saying that the Chinese government doesn't lie, just that they report the same story.

Yes, I am. The Chinese government is notorious for their propaganda and media control.

That's why the US has freedom of the press. They may spin they story, but with so many independant outlets, one will get caught if it outright lies.

Boy, if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black.

Um, no. Not at all. There is a difference between subtle bias and outright fabrication.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused
How do we know that is what happened? We do not. It could very well be that when he took her down to the ground, he dropped on her with his knee. Or it could just be that her account is full of crap and her bruises came from being dropped and restrained. It wouldn't be the first time a criminal defendant has lied.

Exactly! How do we know that he didn't try to cop a feel. She refusing, he began to beat her. Its wouldn't be the first time a police officer has written a false report.

Uh huh. Even she doesn't claim he tried to "cop a feel."

The claims she is making don't make any sense. She is claiming that he waved her to stop with one hand, maced her with the other, threw her to the ground and he and two of his buddies kicked her repeatedly.

That report makes no sense. Why? Because there is no provocation.

that doesn't mean anything... it wouldn't be the first time people have attacked others with no provocation. it's entirely possible this guy is some sadistic power tripper that saw a chance to take advantage of a foreigner thinking that they wouldn't make a big deal out of it and just go home.

OK, then why is he on the job? Why doesn't he AND his three coworkers have a history of unprovoked violence?

Sorry, like I said, this doesn't make sense.

you must be kidding me, it doesn't make any sense that there are cops that shouldn't be cops? how do you know he doesn't have a history? it wasn't in the OP article.

Cohen estimated that Rhodes has processed more than 8 million people entering the US over his 17-year career.

"But now the same government that Officer Rhodes has committed most of his adult life to protecting finds itself under tremendous international pressure to prosecute Officer Rhodes," he said.

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2004/08/01/2003181276

He's a 17 year veteran. And suddenly he decides to start beating up cooperating Chinese women?

Like I said. It doesn't make sense.

maybe i missed it, but exactly where did that article state that he didn't abuse any of those other 8 million people? it just says he processed them, not if he has any previous history or anything.

How long would he have a job if he was abusing people? Not 17 years.