Sup with Police and Pepper Sprays...

[Linux23]

LOL. I was just there a few days after she got her beatdown. Wonder if I could have caught this with my 600MM lens.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Amused
Um, no. Not at all. There is a difference between subtle bias and outright fabrication.

Ok, care to point out the outright fabrications in this report when compared to these "US media outlets"?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Amused
How long would he have a job if he was abusing people? Not 17 years.

There's always a first time.

 

[welst10]

Those US reports linked on this thread mostly cite words of the cop's lawyer. This is clearly one-sided sh1t. I've read several reports from the victim, her companies on that day and her US lawyer. and I saw a completely different story.

In short, she was visiting the Falls when she heard some noise in the custom office. She went closer to see what's happening there and she saw cops were subduing a man inside. Then a cop saw her. He walked up to her, pepper spayed her, got her inside the room and beat the hell out of her. All were done without first examining her visa documents or questioning her.

BTw, in one report the victim's lawyer said the cop did have prior violence history. I sure hope truth (whatever it might be) will come out and justice will be delivered in this case.

 

[NoReMoRsE]

All news is inherently biased.

Chinese news will be biased towards Chinese. American news will be biased towards Americans.

No need to argue about it.

 

[welst10]

I just tried to find more of it to read. This 37-yr old lady is in NY receiving treatment right now. The hospital report indicates that she has several facial bone damage, her chin bone got kicked out of place, several teeth broken exposing the tooth nerves. She cant eat as normal right now and drinking water is painful due to the exposed nerves. All these for a 37-yr old tourist woman with no arms whatsoever and totally legit visa documents. I really want to see how the defense lawyer can beat these down.

 

[chrisms]

Maybe I don't like cops because my city's police chief shot his wife in the head and then himself with his two children sitting in the backseat. Or maybe because they come with guns drawn and pointed when I'm playing baseball on my high school's field. Or it could be because when I go to Canada, 6-7 men armed with automatic weapons start flashing lights at me and acting like a-holes. Whatever the reason, law enforcement needs smarter people.

 

Originally posted by: chrisms
Or maybe because they come with guns drawn and pointed when I'm playing baseball on my high school's field.

Wait. Did the police officers actually come at you with their firearms unholstered, pointed at you while you were legally and rightfully playing baseball on your high school's field?

Something's not right about this post.

 

[gopunk]

How long would he have a job if he was abusing people? Not 17 years.

why not? it's possible he's usually pretty lucky and picks people that don't report it, or that happen to be criminals anyways... or that he's been protected and the reports lost or dismissed..

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: SeaMonki

Uh huh. Even she doesn't claim he tried to "cop a feel."

The claims she is making don't make any sense. She is claiming that he waved her to stop with one hand, maced her with the other, threw her to the ground and he and two of his buddies kicked her repeatedly.

That report makes no sense. Why? Because there is no provocation.

I think I'll take the cops side of this... unless, and until I see further evidence.

I think the provocation starts when the officers mistakenly thought she and her 2 friends were drug smugglers or something. The situation did not help when her 2 friends took off running when the officer calls for them to stop.

But why mace and beat her wasting all that energy if she did not resist or provoke them in any way?

It doesn't make sense.

why would the woman resist without provocation? that doesn't make sense??

burden of proof here is on the cop not on the woman. she doesn't have to prove that she behaved perfectly in order to charge him with burtality. HE has to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he followed ALL standard procedures and regulations BEFORE macing her.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Vic
I think we should just make a let-the-cops-kick-the-sh!t-out-of-everyone holiday. No evidence, no provocation, no justification. Just a bad beaten woman who apparently did not resist or fight back in anyway and no one thinks that the border guard didn't use excessive force? I LOVE the justification spin too... she might have been carrying illegal drugs... whatever. She wasn't. Nor was she armed. Nor she did she resist. But yes, she did get beaten like 10 rounds with Ali. None of you see a disconnect? Then the brainwashing of the American public appears to be near complete. Better go buy some more duck tape...

Why do you assume she was not violently resisting?

Because there is no evidence that supports that. Like I said, where are the photographs of the scratches and bruises on the officer?

There is no evidence EITHER WAY. Some here are arbitraily taking her word and running with it.

There are video cameras at these check points, I'm sure. Where is the video?

exactly, WHERE is the video?? the guards are more likely to have access to these videos than the woman yes?? the fact that they aren't out would indicate to me that the authorities know the cop is guilty.

 

[duke]

More reports,

http://www.phoenixtv.com/home/English/TOPNEWS/200407/30/302404.html

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20040730/1032886.asp

http://wcco.com/national/OfficerCharged-aa/resources_news_html

http://english1.people.com.cn/200407/28/eng20040728_151154.html

http://www.asianewsnet.net/level3_template1.php?l3sec=4&news_id=27580

http://english.sina.com/special_report/index.shtml

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20040726_133.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/china/story/0,7369,1272251,00.html

http://www.wben.com/newsroom/fullstory.php?newsid=01954

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/040726/kyodo/d842moto2.html

http://www.china.org.cn/english/international/102223.htm

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-07/30/content_1677404.htm

 

[MacBaine]

I like how one of the Chinese newspapers has the title

Beating of Tourist Reflects US Hypocrisy

I'm sure their story accurately reports what happened.... right her209?

 

[kt]

This is almost like the movie theatre incident with the off-duty cop... except it will be 100x bigger because it involves another country. At this point, everything is speculation. None of you have the full story (ie: the truth). It's a tale of he said, she said.

Also, since when has the Chinese government grown with such concern for their own citizens?

 

[SeaMonki]

more educated people for border guards might not be a solution. the border police needs to have something like a widely publicized website or survey card for people to voice their satisfactions/disatisfactions.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: MacBaine
I like how one of the Chinese newspapers has the title

Beating of Tourist Reflects US Hypocrisy

I'm sure their story accurately reports what happened.... right her209?

Are you saying this hypocrisy didn't happen?

Under the banner of anti-terrorism, the United States has given its army free rein to arrest or imprison any suspected terrorists or those suspected of having connections to terrorists.

Its condemnation-provoking actions range from its invasion of Iraq without any convincing excuse to the abuse of Iraqi prisoners in Abu Ghraib prison.

These people are employed by the US government and therefore any negative actions reflects badly on the government.

Addressing the accuracy issue, it reports the same story as the US reports, does it not?

 

[StageLeft]

All I have to say is that it's funny China would care about this considering how inhumane they are to their citizenry day in and day out.

 

[SeaMonki]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
All I have to say is that it's funny China would care about this considering how inhumane they are to their citizenry day in and day out.

yeah china is milking this incident for all its worth, but sucks for the beaten up girl with all that pain.

 

[Twerpzilla]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: Twerpzilla
Big man, he beat a girl up. What a pvssy.

Trouble with a lot of cops now days, is they have severe mental issues, Mental deficits if you will, that lead them into a career that they believe will gain them the respect they do not get in life.

This sort of violence in law enforcement is rarely if ever necessary. He violated the trust put in him by society to a blindingly harsh degree. Just as criminal, even more so, than those they arrest. Best bet with a cop like that, since rehabilitation probably wont work, is to put them against the wall and get rid of them before they do more harm to society.

I'm not sure how many police officers or border control agents you're familiar with, but where I work (a full service police department with ~40 sworn officers working 4 ten-hour shifts per week), I've learned that police officers are some of the nicest people I've worked with.

They're sworn to protect and uphold the laws of this nation, and do so admirably. It's a serious job where there's not much time for joking around. Their job is to be alert 24 hours a day, and even MORE alert while they're in service. Sure, there are bad apples in this nation's law enforcement community...just like mutual fund managers and corporate executives come under scrutiny, police officers do too.

But to say that police officers have mental 'deficits' and as such are forced into careers in law enforcement is simply incorrect and untrue. If anything, you're the one with the intellectual shortcomings for assuming that 'beating up' a woman makes a man a pussy. Women can often be more dangerous than men to law enforcement officers because they're usually not regarded as security risks, and often act more brazen toward them without facing consequences.

Until you're familiar with what working in law enforcement is really like, I suggest you stop trolling this thread.

I did not suggest that police officers have mental deficets and are forced into vareers in law enforcement, but rather that alot of people that persue law enforcement have psycological issues that should preclude them from such a career path. Often there reason would appear to be for personal empowerment, not a desire to serve his/her community is a civil and respectful manner.

True, a woman can be a tough cookie, but subduing a person and kicking there butt are two differnt things. And no, I do not have any intellectual short comings at all. Rather I am all to familier with law enforcement, and the new attitudes being displayed by many police officers now days.

At my job, in a hospital, we get to see the results of a tough guy whose badge was a little to heavy for his chest to bear, that had to kick the crap out of someone who often did little to provoke there beating. In the old days, the officer would talk to the person, get them chilled, maybe take then into custody. When they did need to thump heads, there was a real reason, and that was not a commen occurance. Nowdays, its slap the cuffs on, slap the victom, let them go with a threat, or write false charges in there report to imprison a person.

Also, I have various family members thats been in law enforcement for upwards of 20 years. Also have a couple of friends that are lawyers in our community. And I am acquainted with a few prosecuting attorneys, county commisioners, township commisioners, and Sheriffs and Chief of Police in various local communities. The issue of out of control young police officers is not a uncommen topic of discusion amongst such people.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Attorney Cohen tells Rich Kellman there's more to the story. He says Yan Zao refused to stop when Rhodes ordered her to and then fought him. "When a customs officer tells you that you're about to be inspected," says Cohen, "you submit to that inspection or prepare to be met with whatever degree of force is necessary to get you to comply."

Bingo. If someone is coming at you and has a night-stick, a gun, pepper spray, and lots of other goodies on their belt, are you going to bitch to them and try to fight them when running away doesn't work? Only if you're a moron!

 

[Twerpzilla]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Twerpzilla
Big man, he beat a girl up. What a pvssy.

Trouble with a lot of cops now days, is they have severe mental issues, Mental deficits if you will, that lead them into a career that they believe will gain them the respect they do not get in life.

This sort of violence in law enforcement is rarely if ever necessary. He violated the trust put in him by society to a blindingly harsh degree. Just as criminal, even more so, than those they arrest. Best bet with a cop like that, since rehabilitation probably wont work, is to put them against the wall and get rid of them before they do more harm to society.

You are an idiot. If someone fights with a LEO then they deserve to get their ass beat. Because a fight with someone with a gun is a life or death situation. Especially border patrol as that is how terrorists get into the country.

Sure, every cop shpuld be able to kick the crap out of anyone they say is resisting arrest, even if they are being arrested for no reason. What ever happened to reasonable restraint?

If a gun is involved, then shooting, rather than beating would have taken place. Our State Police murdered a person last year that was holding a knife to his side. non-aggressive, with a lame leg, incapable of fast lunging, with the cops having plenty of room to back up and give the guy room to chill.

Border patrol is the first impression a person gets when entering our fine country. It should be there duty to provide the best image of the USA that they can. In this case they failed.

 

[neutralizer]

Originally posted by: duke
I bet she wouldn't have her face smashed to the floor if she wasn't so fug.

totally uncalled for, are u saying ugly people get to have their face smashed/