Sup with Police and Pepper Sprays...

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Amused
If she was extremely combative, how would any of you know what it took to subdue her?

This isn't the movies, folks. I bet most of you have NO idea how dangerous a psycho chick can be.

you could be right, it could just as easily be that she didn't understand his initial command and instead of just repeating it he choose to take physical action.

we just don't know what happened based on the report that was posted.

 

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Tiamat
Im sure he didnt do it like in the movies and flip her head onto his knee.

How are you so sure?

Its really easy to accidentally knee somebody, or elbow somebody when there is a struggle.

Not a direct example, but... If someone suddenly tickles you for example, even if you really dont mean it, there is a good chance one of your hinge joints can fly out and induce great pain on the other person.

Elbow maybe. The distance between the knee and another person's head too much to be a "joint flying out".

Im not condoning the amount of physical damage done, but if he was in the process of restraining her and she was already on the ground and he was above trying to get cuffs on, if she was struggling, his knee could have lost his balance and his knee land on her head. Not saying this is true, but you would agree, that a knee landing on somebody's head on accident could cause as much damage.

The courts will hopefully straighten this out. I wasnt there, just merely trying to piece together what little info this news print gives. Of course, if eye witnesses say that the cop ran after her, she submitted, and then he sprayed his peppersray into her face for no reason - this will have a total turn...

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Twerpzilla
Big man, he beat a girl up. What a pvssy.

Trouble with a lot of cops now days, is they have severe mental issues, Mental deficits if you will, that lead them into a career that they believe will gain them the respect they do not get in life.

This sort of violence in law enforcement is rarely if ever necessary. He violated the trust put in him by society to a blindingly harsh degree. Just as criminal, even more so, than those they arrest. Best bet with a cop like that, since rehabilitation probably wont work, is to put them against the wall and get rid of them before they do more harm to society.

Again, I gotta ask, have you ever had to subdue a psycho woman?

It ain't easy. And it sounds like he didn't punch her, he was trying to immobilize her (that's what throwing someone against a wall and on the ground is). It's her fault she was fighting back.

Kneeing her in the head? Cmon...

Cops use their knee on the back of the head to hold a suspect to the ground. It's what they are trained to do because it's effective.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: Amused
If she was extremely combative, how would any of you know what it took to subdue her?

This isn't the movies, folks. I bet most of you have NO idea how dangerous a psycho chick can be.

you could be right, it could just as easily be that she didn't understand his initial command and instead of just repeating it he choose to take physical action.

we just don't know what happened based on the report that was posted.

Exactly! Yet many here are crying "police brutality!" and are even questioning the integrity and intelligence of the police.

I'm simply trying to give reasons WHY this type of damage can happen when trying to subdue someone who is extremely combative. Subduing a woman is NOT as easy as many here may think.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: sniperruff

Originally posted by: jumpr
She refused to stop for a required inspection. What should he have done? Let a suspected drug runner cross the border without submitting to a search? If that's how all law enforcement worked, we'd have one hell of a border security problem.

how about calling backup for more officers to physically restrain her instead of giving her a uncalled for beating. what's with "innocent until proven gulity"? now you can mace anyone if the authority suspect that you're a criminal?
what would you feel if you went out for a morning jog, just to have the NYPD suspect that you are a gang leader, trips you onto the ground and mace you twice and kick you in the head?

Yeah, and while waiting for backup, she's long gone.

First, you all condemn the police for using too much force, now you say they should have had more before acting?

1 cop or 10, it doesn't matter. If the suspect fights back, they are going to get bruised up a bit.

And I would COOPERATE with the police. Therefore they would have no reason to subdue me.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Tiamat

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Tiamat
That stereotype just doesnt work. Asian girls, no matter if they are half the mass of the other person still kick butt. They can be more deadly than a typical police officer.

Haha, where is the basis for this statement?

Ive seen it. They just claw at your face and kick you in the balls.

Hahaha, are you serious? Maybe we should hire asian women instead of typical police officers.

 

[SeaMonki]

Originally posted by: Tiamat

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Tiamat
That stereotype just doesnt work. Asian girls, no matter if they are half the mass of the other person still kick butt. They can be more deadly than a typical police officer.

Haha, where is the basis for this statement?

Ive seen it. They just claw at your face and kick you in the balls.

hehe how's this different from other races? not just asian girls that do that..

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Tiamat
Im not condoning the amount of physical damage done, but if he was in the process of restraining her and she was already on the ground and he was above trying to get cuffs on, if she was struggling, his knee could have lost his balance and his knee land on her head. Not saying this is true, but you would agree, that a knee landing on somebody's head on accident could cause as much damage.

Great detective work! :thumbsup:

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Twerpzilla
Big man, he beat a girl up. What a pvssy.

Trouble with a lot of cops now days, is they have severe mental issues, Mental deficits if you will, that lead them into a career that they believe will gain them the respect they do not get in life.

This sort of violence in law enforcement is rarely if ever necessary. He violated the trust put in him by society to a blindingly harsh degree. Just as criminal, even more so, than those they arrest. Best bet with a cop like that, since rehabilitation probably wont work, is to put them against the wall and get rid of them before they do more harm to society.

You are an idiot. If someone fights with a LEO then they deserve to get their ass beat. Because a fight with someone with a gun is a life or death situation. Especially border patrol as that is how terrorists get into the country.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Amused
Cops use their knee on the back of the head to hold a suspect to the ground. It's what they are trained to do because it's effective.

Its one thing to pin a suspects head down with a knee. Its another when the officer grabs her hair and strikes her head with his knee.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused

Cops use their knee on the back of the head to hold a suspect to the ground. It's what they are trained to do because it's effective.

Its one thing to pin a suspects head down with a knee. Its another when the officer grabs her hair and strikes her head with his knee.

How do we know that is what happened? We do not. It could very well be that when he took her down to the ground, he dropped on her with his knee. Or it could just be that her account is full of crap and her bruises came from being dropped and restrained. It wouldn't be the first time a criminal defendant has lied.

 

[SeaMonki]

here are other newspaper articles abut her and several more pics of her injury:

http://en.ce.cn/main/photo-news/200407/29/t20040729_1358315.shtml
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/215860p-185740c.html

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Amused
How do we know that is what happened? We do not. It could very well be that when he took her down to the ground, he dropped on her with his knee. Or it could just be that her account is full of crap and her bruises came from being dropped and restrained. It wouldn't be the first time a criminal defendant has lied.

Exactly! How do we know that he didn't try to cop a feel. She refusing, he began to beat her. Its wouldn't be the first time a police officer has written a false report.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

And we need to remember the Truth written in the Chinese news is going to be accurate right.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
And we need to remember the Truth written in the Chinese news is going to be accurate right.

You're right. Only American news is accurate and unbiased.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused
How do we know that is what happened? We do not. It could very well be that when he took her down to the ground, he dropped on her with his knee. Or it could just be that her account is full of crap and her bruises came from being dropped and restrained. It wouldn't be the first time a criminal defendant has lied.

Exactly! How do we know that he didn't try to cop a feel. She refusing, he began to beat her. Its wouldn't be the first time a police officer has written a false report.

Uh huh. Even she doesn't claim he tried to "cop a feel."

The claims she is making don't make any sense. She is claiming that he waved her to stop with one hand, maced her with the other, threw her to the ground and he and two of his buddies kicked her repeatedly.

That report makes no sense. Why? Because there is no provocation.

I think I'll take the cops side of this... unless, and until I see further evidence.

 

[bockchow]

i saw the police mace a 50 year old homeless guy in fron of best buy a few weeks ago. 4 cops had already gotten him to the groud when a 5 cop came up and maced him. seemed a little over kill just for loitering.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
And we need to remember the Truth written in the Chinese news is going to be accurate right.

You're right. Only American news is accurate and unbiased.

Tell me, who would you think is less likely to outright lie? The widely varied privately owned US media, or the state controlled Chinese media?

 

[SeaMonki]

Uh huh. Even she doesn't claim he tried to "cop a feel."

The claims she is making don't make any sense. She is claiming that he waved her to stop with one hand, maced her with the other, threw her to the ground and he and two of his buddies kicked her repeatedly.

That report makes no sense. Why? Because there is no provocation.

I think I'll take the cops side of this... unless, and until I see further evidence.

I think the provocation started when the officers mistakenly thought she and her 2 friends were drug smugglers or something. The situation did not help when her 2 friends took off running when the officer calls for them to stop.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: SeaMonki

Uh huh. Even she doesn't claim he tried to "cop a feel."

The claims she is making don't make any sense. She is claiming that he waved her to stop with one hand, maced her with the other, threw her to the ground and he and two of his buddies kicked her repeatedly.

That report makes no sense. Why? Because there is no provocation.

I think I'll take the cops side of this... unless, and until I see further evidence.

I think the provocation starts when the officers mistakenly thought she and her 2 friends were drug smugglers or something. The situation did not help when her 2 friends took off running when the officer calls for them to stop.

But why mace and beat her wasting all that energy if she did not resist or provoke them in any way?

It doesn't make sense.

 

[Anubis]

seems that that was excessive to me, not stopping was pretty stupid tho

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused
How do we know that is what happened? We do not. It could very well be that when he took her down to the ground, he dropped on her with his knee. Or it could just be that her account is full of crap and her bruises came from being dropped and restrained. It wouldn't be the first time a criminal defendant has lied.

Exactly! How do we know that he didn't try to cop a feel. She refusing, he began to beat her. Its wouldn't be the first time a police officer has written a false report.

Uh huh. Even she doesn't claim he tried to "cop a feel."

The claims she is making don't make any sense. She is claiming that he waved her to stop with one hand, maced her with the other, threw her to the ground and he and two of his buddies kicked her repeatedly.

That report makes no sense. Why? Because there is no provocation.

I think I'll take the cops side of this... unless, and until I see further evidence.

Why does there have to be provocation for someone to get beaten?

I mean, what caused the cop to stop her? If he said he suspected that she had drugs, what clue tipped him off? If he claimed that she was scratching him, why don't they take photographs of the officer arm and neck. If he claimed that she was kicking him, where are the bruises?

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
And we need to remember the Truth written in the Chinese news is going to be accurate right.

lol, yea it's not "fair and balanced"... thank god we have "fair and balanced" news

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Amused
How do we know that is what happened? We do not. It could very well be that when he took her down to the ground, he dropped on her with his knee. Or it could just be that her account is full of crap and her bruises came from being dropped and restrained. It wouldn't be the first time a criminal defendant has lied.

Exactly! How do we know that he didn't try to cop a feel. She refusing, he began to beat her. Its wouldn't be the first time a police officer has written a false report.

Uh huh. Even she doesn't claim he tried to "cop a feel."

The claims she is making don't make any sense. She is claiming that he waved her to stop with one hand, maced her with the other, threw her to the ground and he and two of his buddies kicked her repeatedly.

That report makes no sense. Why? Because there is no provocation.

that doesn't mean anything... it wouldn't be the first time people have attacked others with no provocation. it's entirely possible this guy is some sadistic power tripper that saw a chance to take advantage of a foreigner thinking that they wouldn't make a big deal out of it and just go home.

 

[duke]

I bet she wouldn't have her face smashed to the floor if she wasn't so fug.