Sunday Sermon

[ch33zw1z]

The bible is a complete book of the inspired word of God. Can't cherry pick it. I can't say I accept what Paul wrote, but reject what Peter wrote. I can't say its sin to commit adultery, but overlook all the other sexual sins. If I cherry pick it for one part, but throw away the rest of it, then none of its worth reading.

Must....not...take....out...of....context....like all the different Christian religions...

 

[Nik]

The bible is a complete book of the inspired word of God. Can't cherry pick it. I can't say I accept what Paul wrote, but reject what Peter wrote. I can't say its sin to commit adultery, but overlook all the other sexual sins. If I cherry pick it for one part, but throw away the rest of it, then none of its worth reading.

You're missing the point.

You can't just blindly read the bible and think that's all there is to it.

Besides, the Bible is nothing more than a bunch of little fictional stories written by MAN and sometimes a collaborated effort (matt mark luke john) by MAN that was met upon, disected, reconstructed, all by MEN at the council of nicea (with a great number of other similar works by MAN which were rejected based solely on the decision of MAN) with absolutely no evidence that it was inspired by anything other than MAN.

It's not even the first known writing of the human race! The first known writing talks about all kinds of gods and shit. It's no more valid than the Bible.

 

[BoomerD]

If the universe didn't exist before Gawd created it...where did he create it? What was there first?

For that matter, if there was no universe before Gawd created it...where was he? Where was this Gawd before he created the universe?

From what materials did he create the universe?

These kinds of questions have always held me back and kept me from believing in the sky fairies.


IMO, religion was created as a method of controlling the "unwashed masses." Believe and live as I tell you to do...if you don't, when you die, you will go to a place of pain and misery...if you do, you will go to paradise and sit at the right hand of Gawd the Father...

Dang...that sounds good...where do I sign up?

Oh yeah, before I do...can you prove any of this stuff?

 

[classy]

I'll give you another example: if an alcoholic has a tough time with alcohol and makes alcohol his idol and worships it, that's a sin.

However, the guy sitting next to him having a drink who doesn't idolize alcohol is not committing the same sin, even though he's committing the same act.

An apostle would have (and did, basically) written to the first guy that he should abstain from all alcohol.

Morons, thousands of years in the future, who are too stupid to understand the concept of "context" will see that and immediately think that alcohol is the sin, which would be false.

Well now you got several things going here. One the bible spells out clearly what are sins, things or behavior unacceptable to God. Your analogy is spot on, but its you has taken things out of context. Drinking alcohol is not a sin itself, but being a drunk is. Money is not bad, having lots of money is not bad either. But loving money over everything else is a sin. Our behavior towards certain objects or situations is what causes sin. Driving 100 mph is a sin, not owning a fast car.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Well now you got several things going here. One the bible spells out clearly what are sins, things or behavior unacceptable to God. Your analogy is spot on, but its you has taken things out of context. Drinking alcohol is not a sin itself, but being a drunk is. Money is not bad, having lots of money is not bad either. But loving money over everything else is a sin. Our behavior towards certain objects or situations is what causes sin. Driving a 100 mph is a sin, not owning a fast car.

Who determines what drunk is? Did God say .8? Why is driving 100MPH a sin?

 

[Nik]

Well now you got several things going here. One the bible spells out clearly what are sins, things or behavior unacceptable to God. Your analogy is spot on, but its you has taken things out of context. Drinking alcohol is not a sin itself, but being a drunk is. Money is not bad, having lots of money is not bad either. But loving money over everything else is a sin. Our behavior towards certain objects or situations is what causes sin. Driving 100 mph is a sin, not owning a fast car.

There are things that can be a sin for you that are not a sin for other people.

Thus fuels the bible's contradictory nature.

 

[Nik]

Who determines what drunk is? Did God say .8? Why is driving 100MPH a sin?

He still doesn't understand. It's not being drunk that's a sin, it's losing yourself to alcohol. Just getting drunk isn't a sin. The moment you injest an alcoholic beverage, it affects you and you cannot say "don't be drunk" but still say "it's okay to drink." The bible is referring to being "the town drunk." If you're drunk more often than you're sober, you're being the town drunk.

Still, that requires interpretation to determine the difference between being drunk more often than not.

Oh, and Christ never said that, either. It was in a letter from one guy to another basically saying "dude, you're drunk all the time, it's making us christians look bad if you're spouting scripture between drunken puking."

...but, as usual, christians don't know what the fuck they're talking about and blindly and ignorantly follow anything they're told without doing their homework or understanding the concept of IN CONTEXT.

 

[classy]

You're missing the point.

You can't just blindly read the bible and think that's all there is to it.

Besides, the Bible is nothing more than a bunch of little fictional stories written by MAN and sometimes a collaborated effort (matt mark luke john) by MAN that was met upon, disected, reconstructed, all by MEN at the council of nicea (with a great number of other similar works by MAN which were rejected based solely on the decision of MAN) with absolutely no evidence that it was inspired by anything other than MAN.

It's not even the first known writing of the human race! The first known writing talks about all kinds of gods and shit. It's no more valid than the Bible.

I am not missing the point. The bible is not and never has been a book about every detail of the universe. The bible tells a man how to establish a relationship with God. Thats it. Your post just sums up what I said before, if its not for you, then its not for you. Dude to be honest, if you think its fictional, nothing I or anyone else will ever say will change that. But if you find christians less than desirable people to talk with, then thats on you. In this regard, to each his own.

But to me, it takes more faith to believe we evolved from monkeys, than to believe in a supreme being. I have solid undeniable proof we didn't come from apes, because we still have all the damn apes.

 

[Nik]

The bible very clearly says that "it's for everyone, not just those who choose to believe this nonsense."

However, just because I think it's nonsense doesn't mean that nothing anyone says can change that.

Contrary to popular opinion, most people are receptive to proof that the Bible is anything more than a book of fairy tales.

Show me proof.

We didn't evolve from monkeys. Monkeys and humans evolved from a common ancestor and our DNA proves it (and so does this).

Sounds to me that, not only do you have a very loose grip on what the Bible teaches, you have an even more ridiculously loose grip on reality and what reality teaches.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I am not missing the point. The bible is not and never has been a book about every detail of the universe. The bible tells a man how to establish a relationship with God. Thats it. Your post just sums up what I said before, if its not for you, then its not for you. Dude to be honest, if you think its fictional, nothing I or anyone else will ever say to change that. But if you find christians less than desirable people to talk with, then thats on you. In this regard, to each his own.

But to me, it takess more faith to believe we evolved from monkeys, than to believe in a supreme being. I have solid undeniable proof we didn't come from apes, because we still have all the damn apes.

This here be my last post in this thread.

Nik beat me to it....my hands hurt. Pr0n, here I come. HA!

 

[classy]

Who determines what drunk is? Did God say .8? Why is driving 100MPH a sin?

I will draw a line from the flying pig

Everyone knows what a drunk is, everyone knows this.

Driving 100mph is a sin because you are breaking the laws of the land and you are told in Romans to obey the laws of this land.

 

[Nik]

Classy's wrong on the drunk thing and right on the speeding thing.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Classy's wrong on the drunk thing and right on the speeding thing.

dammit you guys quit sucking me back in. The drunk thing isn't cut and dry, but the speeding thing is. Laws with gray areas are harder to call a sin. So if I go 66MPH I'll burn in hell? LoL...nice. I'll see a whole lot of christians there!!

edit: Nik, quit interjecting...It's like cutting the carrot off the string.

 

[Nik]

OH! My bad. You were setting him up and I totally didn't see it.

Please, continue, good sir! :awe:

 

[Kadarin]

The bible is a complete book of the inspired word of God. Can't cherry pick it. I can't say I accept what Paul wrote, but reject what Peter wrote. I can't say its sin to commit adultery, but overlook all the other sexual sins. If I cherry pick it for one part, but throw away the rest of it, then none of its worth reading.

The Council of Nicaea sure as hell cherry picked it.

 

[RbSX]

Religion makes me want to vomit.

 

[PowerEngineer]

But God clearly does exist. Nik we can go all day back and forth saying, "Yes he does. No he doesn't" but you know just as well as I do that it will never end. In the end, I know for a fact God exists while you only speculate he doesn't, so your arguments are not only moot but they have no relevance in my discussions.

This pretty much defines the problem.

There's no doubt that you believe in God, and you clearly believe that you know him far better than most other so-called believers (e.g. "cultists" and members of many organized religions). And certainly better than those skepical of his very existence. You "know for a fact" that God exists, but it's not a fact that you can demonstrate to anyone else. It does seem to give you a basis for dismissing as "moot" any questions about your beliefs. The bottom line is that you have arrived at (unalterable?) personal belief, the basis for which you can not (and do not feel the need even try to) explain to others.

As an agnostic, I find the proliferation of these proclamations of personal beliefs both amusing and frightening. Amusing when believers with divergent beliefs argue amongst themselves about which of them are cultists; and frightening when I realize that these beliefs frequently lead to excesses (i.e. polygamy, stonings, biased foreign policy, suppression of birth control information, etc.). I'd prefer to be in a world where everyone held onto the possibility that what they held to be true could in fact be false -- and acted accordingly.

P.S. - Atheism is also a personal belief.

 

[ebaycj]

2 Peter 2:1-3


I'm sure it's not difficult for anyone to see where this verse applies. There are plenty of televangelists that make a name for themselves, but don't fool as many as they hope for. Because of them, TBN has jokingly been referred to as The Blaspheme Network, despite having some real men of God preaching on there as well. Knowing the truth, it's easy for me to know which are false prophets and which are real, but I can't ignore the false ones. They intentionally sway people away from the truth.

It may be that one day soon I will have a face to face with a famous group that everyone here is well aware of, the Westboro Church. It is shameful that such a group of people can even exist, spreading hate as they do. I have an equal measure of freedom when it comes to speech though, so I will use it any chance I get if they are out with their signs.

Hate is not what I will spread, nor slander. Those are by definition tools of the enemy. So what should I say? The clear message of the gospel is to love your brother, your neighbor, your enemy, and pretty much anyone else. Jesus himself ate dinner with people that most others despised, should I do the same?

Romans 12:19-20


So it is that whenever I must face another man, I must do so respectfully regardless of their attitude. I do not change or alter my attitude, it should be consistent. This is a very important lesson to myself, being that I am going to school for social work. I have chosen to be a servant to people who make mistakes, people who want to hate, people who want to be loved.

Why waste your time with this foolishness?