Sun oddly quiet - hints at "Little Ice Age"?

[XMan]

From National Geographic:

http://news.nationalgeographic...un-global-cooling.html

Interesting article. Anecdotally this has been one of the cooler springs around here that I can remember. We even had snow in early April.

 

[compuwiz1]

So now it's global cooling to be concerned with? Time to go red!

 

[Stunt]

It'll be interesting to see how the global warming people spin this one...

Sun drives all climate changes, not human activity.
CO2 lags Temperature by about 800yrs.
Man made CO2 represents 2% of total global production.
CO2 is 0.038% of the earth's atmosphere.
95-98% of greenhouse gas warming is from water vapor/clouds.

Sorry for the hi-jack

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
So now it's global cooling to be concerned with? Time to go red!

Clearly our efforts regarding CO2 and other pollutants is working!

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
So now it's global cooling to be concerned with? Time to go red!

Build more coal power plants! Better yet, fill the Grand Canyon with coal and light it up!

 

[Lemon law]

Bullshit, way too early to tell anything with a mere N of 1. If the trend persists for many decades, it might mean something, thus far it means nothing.

 

[scruffypup]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Bullshit, way too early to tell anything with a mere N of 1. If the trend persists for many decades, it might mean something, thus far it means nothing.

Incorrect,... the fact is we don't know how much of a role changes like this in the sun plays in our climate,... which is part of the reason those that think recent global warming is caused by man is a concrete fact are incorrect in thought process.

Point is we don't have a full grasp on these ultra complex systems yet,.... there has already been (well before this ariticle) many scientists who thought that we are in for cooling, especially in the north pacific for the next decade due to the lowered activity of the sun, which has been going on for a while.

This could have quicker changes than you think, fact is, it is an unknown part of the equation by anyone and can potentially be the biggest factor.

 

[Fear No Evil]

The debate is over! Lock this up!

 

[Genx87]

MN has had mild summers the past two years and last Spring was unbelievably cold. Some of the lakes still had ice on them in mid may during the fishing opener. This Spring has been a bit normal however after a second year in a row of brutal winter.

 

[umbrella39]

I am glad the OP posted this! It's comforting to know that because the Sun is the dimmest it has been in a hundred years, that makes all the greenhouse gases freeze up and go away! /phew

".... But researchers are on guard against their concerns about a new cold snap being misinterpreted."

"Even if the current solar lull is the beginning of a prolonged quiet, the scientists say, the star's effects on climate will pale in contrast with the influence of human-made greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2)." ~

"I think you have to bear in mind that the CO2 is a good 50 to 60 percent higher than normal, whereas the decline in solar output is a few hundredths of one percent down," Lockwood said. "I think that helps keep it in perspective."

You don't fucking say. Hmm, I didn't even need to click the link and read it to know that the Sun != CO2

Keep it in perspective indeed, some posting here make far better windows than they do doors

 

[microbial]

We've been in one for the past 20K yrs.

Bottom line climate is a complex issue. Long-term factors and short-term factors, sometimes what you get is confounding evidence. Both are valid-not an either/or exclusion.

My advice: Look at the poles. What is happening to the ice sheets is more likely to be immediately important to us.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/ice/chill.html

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Bullshit, way too early to tell anything with a mere N of 1. If the trend persists for many decades, it might mean something, thus far it means nothing.

I thnk alot of people have been saying that for a while. THe science is not settled.

 

[scruffypup]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
I am glad the OP posted this! It's comforting to know that because the Sun is the dimmest it has been in a hundred years, that makes all the greenhouse gases freeze up and go away! /phew

".... But researchers are on guard against their concerns about a new cold snap being misinterpreted."

"Even if the current solar lull is the beginning of a prolonged quiet, the scientists say, the star's effects on climate will pale in contrast with the influence of human-made greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2)." ~

"I think you have to bear in mind that the CO2 is a good 50 to 60 percent higher than normal, whereas the decline in solar output is a few hundredths of one percent down," Lockwood said. "I think that helps keep it in perspective."

You don't fucking say. Hmm, I didn't even need to click the link and read it to know that the Sun != CO2

Keep it in perspective indeed, some posting here make far better windows than they do doors

Also CO2 != heat nor does any multiplied factor of it,....
A heat source is needed for "global warming"

By the way,.. what is "normal" for CO2???,... which was quoted as 50-60% higher,... CO2 has been many times higher in our past than right now

The percentages cannot be compared like they want,... 50-60 of one thing cannot be compared to being greater than a few hundredths of a percent, until there is a relationship of some kind established,.. such as a 1 percent change in solar output by the sun is the same as a 20 percent change in greenhouse gases or something along those lines,... I am fairly sure it is not a 1:1 ratio like the one person's quote wants to lead you to believe,...

so yes we should keep ALL things in perspective,...

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: XMan
From National Geographic:

http://news.nationalgeographic...un-global-cooling.html

Interesting article. Anecdotally this has been one of the cooler springs around here that I can remember. We even had snow in early April.

The world has been setting record cold and snow records for the past two-three years now. It is good to see those again after such a strong solar cycle.

 

[Nemesis 1]

The sun is a very strange thing . As I see it. I was looking at videos of sun and sun spots.
Than one very strange thing happened A metor came into view. So it was large. It didn't look like the object was going to hit sun but close flyby. Than suddenly a beam shot out from sun and deflected it on new path . I was stunned.

Many strange things going on right now . Scientist are talking about it. Just have to put right words in google.

In 2012 we enter the eliptic of the milky way. At this point is a very narrow very strong gama rays coming from the Black hole in our galaxy center. Read about it. Strange the sun would enter a silent mode just before the storm. I don't know what those gama rays will do but I don't agree with what many scientist think or say. No logic to it. They say intense heat and earth Burning. I call Bs scare tactic. It happens 1 every 26,000 years. The earth hasn't burnt up ever or the earth records would show. I think You might want to be in a area that corresponsed to the earths lay lines. The new ones . As the old lay lines the ones we have now won't be valid this time. I think as we near 2012 more scare tactics will be told to us. They will convince many by exposing past conspirecy but it only a trick.

I plan on being on zenieth at crossing . If nothing else it be quik death. But those who have hidden our true past history will not Be were they need to be. SO sad.

Ya what I said above sounds crazy nuts. Thats the point . Find out what scientist are talking about strange things going on in our Sun system. Very strange. Stranger than what I said above. Find out what object just suddenly appeared in are Galaxy Its massive its un explainable and its exciting . DNA?! HUGE millions of miles across. So sun going cold is a small freaken thing compared to whats happening.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Stunt
It'll be interesting to see how the global warming people spin this one...

What's there to spin? The unusual inactivity of the sun is the fault of the Bush Tax Cuts, couldn't possibly get any more obvious than that

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Stunt
It'll be interesting to see how the global warming people spin this one...

What's there to spin? The unusual inactivity of the sun is the fault of the Bush Tax Cuts, couldn't possibly get any more obvious than that

2008 was supposed to be the solar minima, less than half way through the year it looks like 2009 will end up being the minima. They project 2012 to be the maxima, but they are only going on rough estimates over the cycle.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: XMan
From National Geographic:

http://news.nationalgeographic...un-global-cooling.html

Interesting article. Anecdotally this has been one of the cooler springs around here that I can remember. We even had snow in early April.

The world has been setting record cold and snow records for the past two-three years now. It is good to see those again after such a strong solar cycle.

Tell that to the areas of earth are MELTING .. smartass.... stubborn people like you help destroy everything about this world

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=antarctic+ice+shelf+melting

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: XMan
From National Geographic:

http://news.nationalgeographic...un-global-cooling.html

Interesting article. Anecdotally this has been one of the cooler springs around here that I can remember. We even had snow in early April.

The world has been setting record cold and snow records for the past two-three years now. It is good to see those again after such a strong solar cycle.

Tell that to the areas of earth are MELTING .. smartass.... stubborn people like you help destroy everything about this world

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=antarctic+ice+shelf+melting

Two can play at that game:

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=antarctic+ice+shelf+growing

 

[Nemesis 1]

Your right 2 can play at that game . Right now tho the facts support his view.

This is good article but there are better more honest ones. Look at Pic. The helix is cool . But that large bright Object with all the little ones around it is even cooler. Right lower pic. Unlike what this paper says . This helix appeared from nowere.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/porta...-6903.aspx?RelNum=6903

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: XMan
From National Geographic:

http://news.nationalgeographic...un-global-cooling.html

Interesting article. Anecdotally this has been one of the cooler springs around here that I can remember. We even had snow in early April.

The world has been setting record cold and snow records for the past two-three years now. It is good to see those again after such a strong solar cycle.

Tell that to the areas of earth are MELTING .. smartass.... stubborn people like you help destroy everything about this world

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=antarctic+ice+shelf+melting

Somebody call the press, antartic ice shelfs melting during its summer.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Genx87
MN has had mild summers the past two years and last Spring was unbelievably cold. Some of the lakes still had ice on them in mid may during the fishing opener. This Spring has been a bit normal however after a second year in a row of brutal winter.

Holy hell, I know you Minnesotans take pride in being "different" but I didn't know you used a different calendar than the rest of us.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Hmmm....and where's all the "science is settled" people?

 

[NeoV]

more anti-GW spew from GenX, how surprising. Ignore actual facts about the ice conditions, mention something completely irrelevant about the weather in your home state, giggle at how clever you are - we know the pattern.

How often has the 'northwest passage' been open? According to you, it's because of the summer?

We get it - you don't believe the stats that say the earth is warming, or that mankind has anything to do with it - you don't need to pull a Rush on every GW thread with a pile of BS to make your 'stance' known.

Stunt - you may want to actually read what actual scientists say about GW instead of the 'here are the lies we use to refute GW' talking points that you've clearly memorized. The National Center for Policy Analysis - aka the source of most of that anti-GW drivel you posted - is funded by Exxon.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Doc Savage Fan
Hmmm....and where's all the "science is settled" people?

Probably rolling their eyes at seeing another one of these threads, especially considering the logical leap forward from the historical Maunder minimum to today's greenhouse gas emissions not increasing warming effects here on earth. These aren't really that related, and they work ofer largely different time scales to different effects.

From the Article:

But researchers are on guard against their concerns about a new cold snap being misinterpreted.

"[Global warming] skeptics tend to leap forward," said Mike Lockwood, a solar terrestrial physicist at the University of Southampton in the U.K. (Get the facts about global warming.)

We've seen this argument before. Besides, a gradual decline of solar activity would bring about this change slowly. It would take a few hundred years to reach the kind of conditions that we saw during the last Maunder solar minimum, if the downward trend in solar activity continues.

Even if the current solar lull is the beginning of a prolonged quiet, the scientists say, the star's effects on climate will pale in contrast with the influence of human-made greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide (CO2).

"I think you have to bear in mind that the CO2 is a good 50 to 60 percent higher than normal, whereas the decline in solar output is a few hundredths of one percent down," Lockwood said. "I think that helps keep it in perspective."

Sure, there is a lot not understood about the cycles of solar activity and the correlation in earth's climate. However, it isn't that hard to understand what the overall trends are, even without the specifics. The possibility of an extended solar minimm is no reason to deny MMGW and all the evidence that supports it.